862:- It is within free speech that another website may criticize another website. It does not provide any extreme attacks on any individual and it is notable because the website has been featured in several prominent pieces. I don't agree with what they say as much as any Knowledge editor but we cannot let our personal beliefs interfere with following acceptable policy.
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putting her point accross of getting it stopped. We are all here to make wikipedia better - they fail in their attempts. Deleting the article wouldn't make them go away. NPOV often means that we discuss in articles conflicting points of view. A NPOV would say that if
Knowledge is list so should Wikitruth.
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Concerns have been raised about there leaking of private ICQ# - but I cant see how anything else they have leaked is concern. The
Internet has been active 15 years and the waybackwhen machine document most of them, everything they say they have discovered was in the public domain anyway. but not the
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on WR. Can someone PLEASE explain to Mr. Dtobias that the issue is websites that actively try to "out" our editors...not ones that are simply mirroring content from other places and adding stupid nonsense. WikiTruth is an obvious parody site (and not notable to boot)...WR makes no such distinction.--
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Odd...my vote to delete seems to have no mention of anything other than it's lack of notability. I looked over that website and what I saw were a number of egregious attacks, but NOT the kind of ongoing persistant efforts to try and figure out the real life identities of our contributors as is done
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I'm not going to vote on this because my personal deletionist views would eliminate an article on a website with a few Real Press cites that is going to evaporate and be forgotten six months after someone quits paying the bills for it. That's way out of step with the prevailing opinion in AfD. But
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The problem as I see it (I could be wrong) is that its not a hate site. It addresses many of the concerns that many editors share openly in talk everyday (ad infinitum). Wikitruth just does it in the sneaky, "lets write about miss on myspace" type of way. But unlike myspace 'miss' has no way of
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who started this AfD (which certainly seems likely), you seem to be taking the bait anyway... I guess you have no choice, since if you voted to keep this while continuing to campaign against linking to other allegedly "BADSITES", it would seem hypocritical.
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Consensus can't allow for POV. If 100 Christian
Fundamentalists edit warred to say Dinosaurs were made by God on the 6th day, with ID sourcing, we would revert it out as trash. And descriptive per admins is we remove this trash.
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