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862:- It is within free speech that another website may criticize another website. It does not provide any extreme attacks on any individual and it is notable because the website has been featured in several prominent pieces. I don't agree with what they say as much as any Knowledge editor but we cannot let our personal beliefs interfere with following acceptable policy. 913:
putting her point accross of getting it stopped. We are all here to make wikipedia better - they fail in their attempts. Deleting the article wouldn't make them go away. NPOV often means that we discuss in articles conflicting points of view. A NPOV would say that if Knowledge is list so should Wikitruth.
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Concerns have been raised about there leaking of private ICQ# - but I cant see how anything else they have leaked is concern. The Internet has been active 15 years and the waybackwhen machine document most of them, everything they say they have discovered was in the public domain anyway. but not the
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on WR. Can someone PLEASE explain to Mr. Dtobias that the issue is websites that actively try to "out" our editors...not ones that are simply mirroring content from other places and adding stupid nonsense. WikiTruth is an obvious parody site (and not notable to boot)...WR makes no such distinction.--
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Odd...my vote to delete seems to have no mention of anything other than it's lack of notability. I looked over that website and what I saw were a number of egregious attacks, but NOT the kind of ongoing persistant efforts to try and figure out the real life identities of our contributors as is done
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I'm not going to vote on this because my personal deletionist views would eliminate an article on a website with a few Real Press cites that is going to evaporate and be forgotten six months after someone quits paying the bills for it. That's way out of step with the prevailing opinion in AfD. But
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The problem as I see it (I could be wrong) is that its not a hate site. It addresses many of the concerns that many editors share openly in talk everyday (ad infinitum). Wikitruth just does it in the sneaky, "lets write about miss on myspace" type of way. But unlike myspace 'miss' has no way of
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who started this AfD (which certainly seems likely), you seem to be taking the bait anyway... I guess you have no choice, since if you voted to keep this while continuing to campaign against linking to other allegedly "BADSITES", it would seem hypocritical.
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Consensus can't allow for POV. If 100 Christian Fundamentalists edit warred to say Dinosaurs were made by God on the 6th day, with ID sourcing, we would revert it out as trash. And descriptive per admins is we remove this trash.
144: 996:; I strongly suspect that Marrick3x doesn't actually intend to drive traffic to Wikitruth via an unlikely-to-succeed, likely-tp-generate-DRAMA! AfD. All the same, that's the easily forseeable effect.) - 149:, by first removing all URLs from citations in the article and then nominating the article for deletion. This is an abuse of AFD, not a genuine attempt to discuss the deletion of the article. 212: 207: 202: 197: 192: 187: 182: 992:, for bringing the outing material at Wikitruth to the attention of more editors. How much are they paying you to advertise for them? (Please note that the preceding was an example of 267: 176: 353:- Why does this keep coming up? Are people trying to make it look like Knowledge has something to hide by deleting references to things that criticise it? 170: 460: 456: 313: 309: 581: 282:. That site actively defames and outs Wikipedians. Wikitruth has alleged transexualism, sexual practices, real names, and other information on 108: 610:
As somebody said in the last AfD for this, "It doesn't look good to keep trying to delete something critical of Knowledge." That holds for
393:; not linking to a website is completely different to deleting an article about the website. This Afd by a SPA is an attempt at wikidrama. 120: 138: 126: 279: 114: 288:. We can't link to this. It outs and hurts people here. Per IAR, DENY, DIGNITY, and the Foundation privacy policy, delete. Also, per 132: 96:) is acting in bad faith here. This is a bad faith nomination that is attempting to make some sort of point about the actions of 62: 17: 1013: 1000: 980: 948: 922: 904: 887: 875: 854: 831: 819: 810: 798: 786: 770: 760: 749: 731: 719: 710: 700: 688: 674: 663: 636: 627: 618: 605: 592: 564: 551: 538: 529: 518: 488: 478: 443: 430: 426:-- we cannot endorse, name, or link these places. Admins have stated blocks will be given for doing so. Therefore, Delete. 417: 408: 397: 381: 368: 344: 331: 296: 153: 292:, we cannot endorse, name, or link these places. Admins have stated blocks will be given for doing so. Therefore, Delete. 240: 235: 244: 514:
Deleting this would look very lame indeed. Grow up indeed. The last AfD was a nine nil keep less than two months ago.
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If it doesnt exist on Knowledge, it doesnt exist ? Knowledge does not endorse the subjects of its articles. Grow up.
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It doesn't matter. They are 'outing' and posting personal information on Wikipedians. That makes them an attack site!
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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I campaigned for no such thing. I am assuming good faith with the nom, so I don't think I am taking any bait.
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Not notable. A few refs to minor websites and one to the Guardian is insufficient to establish notability.--
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on the subject. (But if the silly policy is to be kept, then deleting this would at least be
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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as a policy? Also remember that policy is descriptive of our practices, not prescriptive.
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It would seem to me that deleting the article would be pushing a POV, not keeping it.
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If they google the name, or we endorse it, they will find attacking information.
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But that would endanger the well being and personal safety of editors.
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Knowledge:Requests_for_arbitration/MONGO#Outing_sites_as_attack_sites
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http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:No_personal_attacks#Cowardice
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I was replying to MONGO, not you... I apologize if it was unclear.
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as obvious disruption. From xyr contributions, it is clear that
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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per above, per first four nominations, per sources, etc etc. --
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No hurry, I don't think this was going to be speedied anyways.
883:. Fourth nomination. Nothing new to see here, move along. - 471:. I will block the next person who adds them or similar ones. 324:. I will block the next person who adds them or similar ones. 580:, and get rid of the idiotic "badsites" linking policy. See 461:
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Lots of article subjects pose a danger to editors, like the
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seems to have been created specifically to push this AfD.
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Speedy is now invalidated. 632:It's a website, not a carrier battlegroup. 455:I have removed links, in accordance with 308:I have removed links, in accordance with 715:Personal privacy is a right, not a POV! 439:of a policy page is a citeable policy? 168: 50: 918:ICQ# that is probably a legal matter. 670:Note, consensus CANNOT trump policy. 556:Can an admin block this sock please; 7: 777:If it's a sockpuppet troll making a 177:Articles for deletion/Wikitruth.info 525:NPA has no statute of limitations. 377:No, because they 'out' users here. 166: 280:Knowledge talk:No personal attacks 24: 940:this nomination is in bad faith; 977: 171:Articles for deletion/Wikitruth 18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion 1: 363: 355: 850:Orwellian Cyber hell master 465:Fred Bauder's clarification 318:Fred Bauder's clarification 1048: 1024:Please do not modify it. 1014:14:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC) 1001:14:52, 7 June 2007 (UTC) 981:14:45, 7 June 2007 (UTC) 949:14:45, 7 June 2007 (UTC) 923:14:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC) 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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review
Merrick3x
talk
contribs
checkuser
block user
block log
edit count
Musical Linguist
talk
contribs
blocks
protections
deletions
page moves
rights
RfA
Uncle G
15:32, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Wikitruth
Articles for deletion/Wikitruth
Articles for deletion/Wikitruth.info
Articles for deletion/Wikitruth (2nd nomination)
Articles for deletion/Wikitruth (3rd nomination)
Articles for deletion/Wikitruth (4th nomination)
Articles for deletion/Wikitruth (5th nomination)
Articles for deletion/Wikitruth (6th nomination)
Articles for deletion/Wikitruth (7th nomination)
Articles for deletion/Wikitruth (8th nomination)

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