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55:. The article at the time of the nomination was not supported by sufficient sources to establish notability. However, whether to keep an article or not relies on what sources exist, not solely on what is present in the article. The early part of the discussion leans toward deletion and the later part of the discussion is in favor of keeping. In the middle of the discussion Haukurth introduced additional sources and an evaluation of their quality arguing compellingly that they are sufficient to establish the subject as notable enough to be included in Knowledge. Comments following Haukurth’s information are nearly all in favor of keeping. It’s appropriate and important in this situation to give greater weight to the portion of the discussion that was based on more complete information, which in this case comprises the later support for keeping the article. 2338:. That's ten in all for his solo novels. Some of the sources are marginal but none is just a random guy with a random blog. Then there are 8 reviews for his work with Ringo. I feel it would be weird not to give Kratman some 'notability points' for those too. He's not a hidden ghostwriter but a fully credited co-author. Thomas Wagner notes in his review: "Tom Kratman (remember, in these kinds of "collaborations," the less famous guy does about 85% of the work) can string a sentence together and assemble a narrative thread that flows adequately". He then mentions Kratman 8 times in his review and Ringo only 2 times. 1613:, 16 April 2015. p. 30.) This is just for starters but it is enough to convince me of notability and that a decent policy-compliant article can be written. I don't, however, have the energy for yet another rescue project right now so I may not get around to this within the timeline of this AfD. Hopefully someone else does. But if this discussion is closed as delete then please do so without prejudice to a new properly sourced article being written. 1834:
6 with that, 5 with another, 4 with that one, 3 with yet another, and so on) and letting the newcomer tag along on the coattails. In fact, of 78 books listed for Ringo at GoodReads, only 10 are credited to Ringo as sole author. I'm probably dating myself making this comparison but it's like a promoter giving a new wrestler a short tag team run with Hulk Hogan or Ric Flair when they can't generate notability or a fanbase on their own.
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When dealing with works of art it's critical and artistic impact that matter, not number of copies sold. Now these two factors often come together. But in the case of Kratman who, as I've mentioned elsewhere, has spent much of his career as a blog troll, there's been no significant critical or artistic impact outside of the walled garden of Baen and the even more walled garden of Castalia House.
1470:"Jay Maynard Actually, I expect Tom Kratman to be next." "Aaron Bosen They already tried." "Glenn Edward McNally Jay Maynard didnt they already go after tom" "Michael Z. Williamson Yeah, they're in the process of trying to delete his right now." This has been followed by him making this false and inciteful accusation of a conspiracy multiple times across multiple pages in rapid succession. 2231:
Notability is cumulative and this adds a smidgen of notability. That said, I took the trouble of contesting your sweeping assertion that "Bestseller lists don't establish notability." because editors, especially new editors, learn the ropes by hearing such rules in AfD discussions. It is necessary
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Indeed - I for one don't know what the subject's politics are - I'd never heard of him before reviewing this article, and it doesn't mention his politics. Everything I know about him is what's in the article, and in the reviews I read - none of which mentions his politics. I spent quite a bit of time
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Nice try, but they're saying nothing of the sort: the delete voters are pretty four-square in finding that the subject lacks notability. Unlike in the world of politics these days, Knowledge's far less susceptible to the tactic of denying the facts at the top of your lungs and expecting the sheep to
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So let me get this straight: your "speedy keep" argument comes down to the fact that though a neutral person started the AfD, the very person who seemingly has waited patiently for two and a half years for someone to post sources actually responded to the AfD, and a troll alleging that the person who
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Under the standards of notability used with respect of living writers then he's not notable. I think there is a discussion to be had about those standards - I don't think he's any less deserving of documentation than the myriad one term state senators from Arkansas ion the 1870s or episodes of 1990s
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After doing some research I think Simonm223's point here about reflected glory is very strong. Baen seems to have a pattern with those dual titles and specifically, tying them to John Ringo seems to be a tactic for both pumping up Ringo's yearly output by shifting the workload (5 with one undercard,
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Only the one Tom (or Thomas) Kratman appears in a Google search for the name. Each is a lawyer, military officer, and/or "awful Military Sci-Fi author". I feel comfortable saying that's the same person as well as suggesting that, perhaps, a lot of editors here might want to spend more than 3 seconds
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That explains why all of a sudden, within 48 hours, at least three authors who've passed notability challenges before are suddenly randomly discovered by three different meatpuppets, and the pages of two others are vandalized. Though I note that on his private forum, Kratman asked that it be deleted
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Bestseller lists don't establish notability. And this is where there's a contrast to the MZW article (which I do think is notable). Kratman's reviews are just lacking. As in we have basically one that is unambiguously non-promotional and it's a review of a book which he co-authored with John Ringo.
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Hence the term "professionally published," meaning he was paid an advance, by a major house, and collects royalties. If you are unfamiliar with this very basic industry term, you lack any credentials to comment on members of said community. WP:IDONTKNOWIT remains invalid. He seems to have been paid
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Above, the deletionists are literally saying they want to kill this page because they don't like the subject's politics. They aren't even trying to hide it. I implore the rest of you, come to your senses and close this discussion. Knowledge was never meant to be a political action committee and the
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AfD started by a SPA, given the high likelihood of sock/meatpuppery inherent. When the next two participants are an editor who really does devote much of his user page in a screed against Mr. Kratman (however much he has the most edits to the article over the last four years) and seemingly Kratman
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After multiple years of request for sourcing in talk, article is primarily self-sourced and author notability is not established. Page appears to have been created for possible promotional purposes. SlaterSteven asked for better, non-self-published sources as far back as December 2016 but they have
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If you need sources for this article, or any sci-fi/fantasy related Knowledge article, I would recommend Mike Glyer's website "File770". That site is a notable source by every standard and it contains a couple of articles that mention Kratman, although most articles only mention him in passing and
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in San Francisco Book Review. I'm not sure either of these work though. The Publishers Weekly reviews are very short, more of a synopsis than a review, and they don't have a reviewers name attached to them - I think they churn out one of these for basically every book that gets published - I don't
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We had three that I know of, and in one I vote keep. So I am not seeing any causation. Now I cannot speak for anyone else, and that is the problem when you generalize, you undermine your case if any of those who you generalize about can show how your generalization doer not really apply to them.
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has a comment in the source text that says "See #3&#4". Part of #4 says "The person's work (or works) has: ... (c) won significant critical attention" and that is what I am referring to here. So, once we sort through the whole alphabet soup, the point is that authors inherit notability from
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I am vaugley aware of his politics (well his stated views on some subjects, whether these are politics or a Heinlein like millitraianaism I have no idea). And there is the key, his "politics" are not not new if SF, and in fact hark back to E E Doc Smith and Mack Reynolds (assuming this was not
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Why do you think that? It won several awards for the best fanzine and Mike Glyer is a known author. Also, it has a Knowledge page (albeit one that also needs better sourcing). I admit I'm not a seasoned Knowledge editor, but I can't find a problem with it as a source. It could be that I do not
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This is the same Mike Glyer who publishes rumors of authors being pedos, then when proof is provided that the alleged events never took place and the convention in question denounces the allegation, refuses to pull the rumors, which came from some rando passerby. It has zero credibility as a
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I have no knowledge or notion that you're a "neutral" person. In nearly fifteen years at AfD, my overwhelming experience is that someone who creates an account for the sole purpose of filing an AfD is very, very seldom "neutral." Genuine first-timers to Knowledge don't have the institutional
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Apart from having been dragged into the puppies debacle (none of his doing, to his credit...), this author has not attracted the kind of coverage or influence that we require for an article about a fiction author. Thanks to Girth Summit for winkling out some more material; but by quality and
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If it walks like a conspiracy and quacks like a conspiracy, then why shouldn't we conclude it's a conspiracy? And again, I'm not the one doing the inciting - not even on Mike's Facebook page, where I've defended Knowledge before. You guys are making me look like a fool for doing so --
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There is a sneaking suspicion at the back of my mind that it was just this issue that brought me to Mr Kratmans page two years ago, the issue of whether or not an appearance in a niche and short duration best seller list is enough to confer notability (or something like
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And for those watching on Facebook as we show them that once it can be shown that someone is notable by our criteria we won't delete their article, no, primary sources are not the gold standard. I won't copy it all here, if any of them are interested they can read these
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see how that establishes notability. The SFBR review is slightly more substantial, and has a name - but I don't think it's a staff reviewer, as far as I can work out this is a volunteer contributor (they have a link saying 'Become a reviewer'), so this is essentially
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The encyclopedia is now online but earlier editions appeared in print. There is also significant analytical coverage of his work in a completed, publicly available PhD thesis (the name 'Kratman' appears 40 times in the document) which is a usable source according to
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same people, I was going to strike my vote as "involved", but I am not even aware of the other AFD, so who are these "people"? Nor did I vote delete here. Arguemtns should be based on the notability of the subject, not what you think other users are up
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bestseller lists are "short duration" by definition. As a said, it confers a mere smidgen of notability. Notability here is relatively weak, supported by the sources cumulatively. Magic bullets are nice, but far more rare in real life than in genre
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coverage. San Francisco Book Review solicits "sponsored reviews" from authors and offers SEO services to authors - and it's mission is specifically to provide a high volume of reviews, so I would not consider them a reliable source for ensuring
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himself, this is a trainwreck in progress. I make no judgment of the subject's notability -- however much I agree that there's a lot of primary sourcing that should be stricken from the article -- which can come in a subsequent neutral AfD.
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asked for sources somehow has a personal vendetta even though they didn't start the AfD? That sounds less like an argument because no matter who starts this, all the troll has to do is run in screaming and you're going to give them a
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Thanks Simonm223 and Elmidae for you input on those sources. I was already leaning delete, so in light of what you've said I'm decided. I also note that in the Guardian piece about the Sad Puppies stuff, which is actually cited at
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He is not the only right wing SF author around, but many of the rest have won awards or been the subject of major retrospectives (or even had films made based upon their books). Many of them have not been AFD'd, why not if its
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Ah, okay, that makes sense. But wouldn't that make io9 the only notable sci-fi/fantasy news site, except maybe Locus Online and Publishers Weekly? Speaking of Publishers Weekly, they also have a few reviews of Kratman's books:
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Agreed. I'm a published author myself who's been a featured panelist at Worldcon and at Boskone, when those conventions were rivaling Worldcon attendance. I don't fancy that any of that qualifies me for a Knowledge article.
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Mostly for the same bad reason as yourself, by the look of it. If you can wander into a mainstream mass-market bookstore and see an author advertised by a lifesize cardboard cutout, odds are they are notable in some context.
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Aside from that, of course, the rules on deletion are pretty clear: the state of the article is only relevant when it is so spectacularly bad that it creates an impediment to fixing it, and this piece is nowhere near the
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titled "Cui Bono in Bellum?")Oh wait, He's done that. (Or are the goalposts soon to be in motion?) Okay, well, if that isn't going to cut it, surely DragonCon 2007 with its estimated 30k+ attendees would be big enough?
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In effect the only RS we have for this is about the Hugo awards controversy. One mention in an article about other people as well and a load of primary sourcing. No real evidence of any independent notability as an
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which says that Knowledge should not use any source that allows user-generated content as a source. So although Glyer's blog is a well-respected and well-known blog, it's still not considered a reliable source.
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very well. Glyer's work is a blog - and blogs are not considered reliable sources as they lack editorial oversight and any method of organized fact checking and formal retraction. In addition blogs fall under
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Because it's only been two days and there are many things to do. I agree the article needs work. I've been gathering sources and looking at how to summarize them but it takes time to get the ducks in a row.
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Correlation may not be causation, but it is certainly suggestive of it. There's a lot of correlation here. Why is it that, of SF authors who are currently subjects for AfDs, all of them are conservative? --
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which would require that Kratman be widely cited by his peers in reliable sources - which means even if a fan convention schedule was a reliable source it wouldn't be usable to confer notability as it
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The Publisher's Weekly reviews are really more short synopses with the odd tentative comment attached; not really up to what one would expect from a citeable book review. (In my evaluation.) --
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And most of those were tagging all the problems with the article, 2 years ago. Arguments at AFD should be based on the subjects notability, not how many times an editor had edited a page.
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advances for at least a dozen books, and appears in several bestselling anthologies, and co-wrote with at least one NYT bestseller. Apparently, no one here is capable of using Google.
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Non-notable writer whose only claim to fame is being used to push an agenda with the Hugo awards. The absolute lack of significant reviews or other independent citations is telling. —
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It's completely transparent when the same people who started and are "delete" for the ongoing AfD attempt on the Michael Z. Williamson article started this here and are "Delete" here.
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to be specific about which bestseller lists confer notability so as not to mislead fellow editors who may take a firm but inaccurate statement from an experienced editor as gospel.
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per Haukur (but maintain the primary-sources tag until the article has been improved). Fanzines are important in the world of science fiction and some have an excellent reputation.
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A question, if he is so notable and we have all these great sources, why does the article still reply on the self promotional ones? Why has no one tried to improve the sourceing?
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I think it is clear that others disagree this is not beyond fixing. As to the rest, it was not me who deemed him notable, it was me finding the fact he found me notable risible.
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Also, let's be clear. It was one book, 8th most popular SF hardcover for one week on the WSJ sub-list a decade ago. This wasn't like it was NYT bestselling fiction all genres.
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critical attention, but the biggest positive there seems to be reflected glory from John Ringo (who is certainly notable). And as such, I just don't think he meets the bar.
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The bar to cross for authors is significantly higher than "ten professionally published books," especially in these days of vanity presses and print-on-demand houses. See
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I'm sorry, but I haven't so much as commented on the Williamson AfD (though I did put in a brief 2c at AN/I) - Kratman isn't notable. He's a troll. Not even a good one.
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Whatever it is, this isn't a speedy keep, regardless of who started the AfD. The article is indeed poorly sourced, and it's not immediately clear that the author meets
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Mr Kratman is a legitimate author with at least ten professionally published books. Deleting his page would be in direct contravention to the core goals of Knowledge.
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but I'm currently unconvinced there's enough for more than a sentence or two. The article as it currently stands is almost entirely cited from Kratman's own site. --
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satire). Dodgy power is right right wing politics was a staple of 50's and 60's SF. That did not (and does not) make those authors unnotable, not being notable does.
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as a featured guest known for being an SF&F writer.) Oh and one last thing: The edit to say he "claims to" have served in the Army isn't going to fly either:
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in a talk on "Civilian Challenges to Writing Military SF". Oh and the 9 PM panel on "History in SF&F". And two readings. And the Monday at 1 PM panel with
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bar on the strength of criterion 3 - a well known body of work that has been subject of multiple independent reviews. I'm struggling - the best I've found is
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I don't disagree with your interpretation of policy. But I don't think Kratman has had anything close to significant critical attention. He has had
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I believe it should be noted that Jmaynard is making this claim within minutes of participating in this discussion on Williamson's facebook page.
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Kratman's solo novels have also received a number of reviews, including a detailed critical one by perennial Hugo nominee Joseph T. Major:
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What we really need are reliable sources that discuss the author or their work, not random things they have been a speaker or panelist of.
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that everyone in such a hurry to vote agaist keeping might have missed: Would Balticon 40 as a featured guest in the literary field (
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in 2015 which discusses his work in context with other military science fiction authors. (Buchanan, Craig. "Sci-Fi Battlefields".
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where notability is indeed inherited in the sense the critical coverage of the works translates into notability for the author.
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Again, I should mention for fans of this and other authors who may have come to Knowledge that a convention schedule is
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either. Nominees are not detailed there, and before Kratman gets mentioned I expect to see a full-title featuring of
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issue if I've ever seen one. A non-notable author managed to get their name on a slate produced by notable racist
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Totally agree. This appears to be yet another politically motiviated attempt to 1984 someone out of existence.
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A better question might be “If he is so non-notable, why has he been a focus of your user page for three years?”
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I've just removed a long disruptive statement by an IP that was the basis for my block of the IP.
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per sources found by Haukur. Also, I found and added his listing on the bestseller list of the
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Does not meet any wiki-notability standard, plain and simple. Even if we treated File 770 as a
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Also, in another AfD someone made a good point that arguments that a book satisfies make for
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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is basically a traditional publication with particular editors and bylines for its reviews.
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categorically not a reliable source for determining notability for a whole host of reasons
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trying to find evidence of notability which might save the article, but drew a blank.
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in which he's mentioned exactly once, is hardly compelling. Fanzines aren't
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since he finds association with this group to be degrading. I can see why.
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allow for inherited notability in certain circumstances". Note that
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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on a search next time and perhaps set aside their prejudices.
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https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/authorpage/tom-kratman.html
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which is about user-generated content like wikis or forums.
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see footnote at BOOKCRIT - not all bestseller lists quality
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authorship, I don't believe it is enough to satisfy our
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TV shows, but this isn't the place to have that debate.
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As much as I like File 770, and Mike Glyer, it's not a
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and have received reviews including a scathing one by
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only one is explicitly about Kratman. Here they are:
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