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I have undone the out of process move/hijacking/whatever you want to call it (which certainly shouldn't have been done with an ongoing AfD). If there is enough material about the lumber company to write an actual article, people should be free to do that without the precedent of an out of process AfD
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The new article cannot stand as is. 90% of it is about the locomotive, not the lumber company. I still support its deletion. If you want to make an article about the lumber company, start a new one, don't hijack the locomotive article and change its topic entirely.
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