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I have undone the out of process move/hijacking/whatever you want to call it (which certainly shouldn't have been done with an ongoing AfD). If there is enough material about the lumber company to write an actual article, people should be free to do that without the precedent of an out of process AfD
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Please do not start an edit war, without participating in the discussion. Reverting some of the recent changes was neither really useful nor in the interest of the project, as shown in this AfD discussion. The formal name was clearly not "A Veteran" or "This Veteran".
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The new article cannot stand as is. 90% of it is about the locomotive, not the lumber company. I still support its deletion. If you want to make an article about the lumber company, start a new one, don't hijack the locomotive article and change its topic entirely.
395:, but this is completely unfounded (the only justification given by the one source is that they look similar) and there are no mentions of that (or indeed any mention of a locomotive matching this history that I could find) anywhere else. 201: 348:) only refers to "veteran" in lowercase, preceding it with "a" and "this". Clearly not the actual name of the locomotive (compare to "General" in the article which is capitalized and in quotes). 492: 671: 249: 162: 195: 445:
veteran", i.e. it is one of many "veteran" locomotives (that that book just designated arbitrarily). If it were called "Veteran" as an actual name, why does it say
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As the first sentence menitons "A VETERAN locomotive truly deserving the name", I guess that this was its name and that it is notable as a
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search for "Veteran" in regards to this locomotive is inherently flawed. The only article in which it is mentioned (which, by the way, is
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Being related to something that is notable is not enough to establish notability for a different subject. See
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A search for sources found zero references to reliable sources. This locomotive is not notable.
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in this case, it is the "type" that is significant, not its notability as an individual vehicle
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Please do not make assumptions not backed in RSes with regard to the name. Note how it says "
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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is notable? If so, we could report about the loco in an article about this company. --
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applies. The worst case would be merger to a more general (!) page such as
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Thanks for being vigilant. However, the reliable source is shown in
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which affected the wrong article. I note the only given source was
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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is said to be a sister engine to the famous locomotive
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as the activity above shows that there are sensible
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