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and/or wrong. The Erasmus Darwin quote "The double flowers, so much admired by the florists, are termed by the botanist vegetable monsters" makes it clear that these terms are synonymous (and a reading of the following paragraphs in Darwin makes it clear that this pertains to flowers only, not
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I would support the article's etymology of monster as coming from 'monstrum' - backed up by Wiktionary and my Times English Dictionary, which gives the meaning of monstrum as a portent. The TED gives the origin of Monstera as being due probably to the holes in the leaves giving an aberrant
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The factual accuracy of this article is highly doubtful. There is no evidence that anyone other than the author refers to members of the genus
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Per the discussion below, doesn't really sound like we need a redirect. It isn't like this is a common term (like
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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As to the contents of Erasmus Darwin's work, I cannot comment - not having read it.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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flowers or leaves as the article currently claims).
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