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American writing up a story about Japan, or an unvalidated family story about how Dad died don't really matter for notability. And notability is the question at issue here. The sources about his role in the Church are reliable. If the childhood background is not accurate, it can and should be fixed. But this does not affect the question of notability.
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Murky, incorrect family and childhood backgrounds are not all that rare. In such cases, it is best to phrase it carefully, "according to
Kikuchi, his father was..." This makes it clear that we are reporting Kikuchi's memory or understand ing of the past. It would be different if a major newspaper
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Kikuchi. It is less than 20 pages. I suggest that editors should feel an obligation to actually read such a source before undertaking to disparage it. The index - which is available online - shows that he is cited 7 times in that chapter. As far as I can tell, the
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