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had checked the war record. Most of us believe what we are told, even though many family stories are exaggerated, fabricated, mis-remembered, or deliberately edited to conceal certain details. Ignorant geographical details added by an American writing up a story about Japan, or an unvalidated family story about how Dad died don't really matter for notability. And notability is the question at issue here. The sources about his role in the Church are reliable. If the childhood background is not accurate, it can and should be fixed. But this does not affect the question of notability.
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chapters are not available online. Perhaps one of you gentlemen would be willing to walk to a library and give us your description/assessment of the source. In general, however, a chapter in a university press book is an indication of notability. And he was, after all, a major figure in LDS in Japan in 1968-1980, according to the JSTOR article and other sources.
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It's basically irrelevant to the question of this subject's notability, though: the source was introduced in the previous AFD as "discussing or quoting" this subject in three places; quotes from the subject himself are near-useless for GNG, and the layout of the page numbers implies EMG just went to
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Murky, incorrect family and childhood backgrounds are not all that rare. In such cases, it is best to phrase it carefully, "according to Kikuchi, his father was..." This makes it clear that we are reporting Kikuchi's memory or understand ing of the past. It would be different if a major newspaper
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If this topic were notable, some reliable sources could be found that cover the the unsourced biographical information we currently include. An entire long section of our article includes a single citation that is being used to support the claim that he was born in "Horoizumi District", except that
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The attempt to classify scholarly, univerisity press sources as "primary sources" is just unacceptable. BYU Studies approaches issues from a clearly scholarly perspective and the attempt to disqualify it is outrageous. There are either two or three sources, depending on the view of the Encyclopedia
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I disagree with North America on the two books by notable authors that he dismisses as "brief" because, read in context, these are about Kikuchi's role in the Church during the long, slow period when it moved away from its tradition of sorting humans into a hierarchy of races. One of the dismissed
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that the book published the Brigham University Press that was one of the sources I brought was disparaged by Nom on the grounds that the Press is not INDEPENDENT of the church. The quesiton was brought to the RS noticeboard, where editors judged that a reputable university press is independent of
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by Terry G. Nelson discusses Kikuchi. It is less than 20 pages. I suggest that editors should feel an obligation to actually read such a source before undertaking to disparage it. The index - which is available online - shows that he is cited 7 times in that chapter. As far as I can tell, the
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was apparently known as Horoizumi Town. I doubt the author of our dubious source knew the difference. The rest of the section is dubious hagiography that, if this discussion does not end in the page being deleted or redirected, should be immediately blanked pending an independent reliable source.
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that the scholarly article in JSTOR that Nom cannot access is about Kikuchi's administration of LDS in Japan, I added it to the page last November, and I think my edit was a fair summary of the contents, except that with regard to notability I want to emphasize that the article is a scholarly
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So how do you feel about the unsourced biographical content? Can we blank it pending some reliable sources? Your !vote is for "keep", but the content of your comment doesn't actually appear to disagree with my "weak delete" on the substance of the matter and the question of whether the
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the index and looked for Kikuchi's name, without checking whether it was a quotation or a discussion that was on each of the pages in question, and I seriously doubt that each of pages 352, 353, 354 and 358 included a separate short "discussinon" of Kikuchi.
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of the present article is worth keeping. Also, please note that not everyone lives within walking distance of a library that stocks a lot of English-language literature about Mormons that isn't itself published by the Mormon Church or affiliated groups.
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This is irrelevant to the quesiton at AfD, but I agree that we can. Sourced to a dead link of an interview he gave, and not a particularly likely story (the U.S. Navy was not targeting fisherman in Japanese waters 2 weeks before V-J
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of Latter-day Saint history, that provide indepth coverage. That is clearly enough to pass the general notability guidelines and justify an article. Ownership cannot be used as ground to cast out university press publications.
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situation where a religious leader's autobiography he tells his followers has changed over the years? Neither version cited a written source, so I can't imagine why it would have been changed...
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the government or church that sponsors the university, eliminating one of Nom's arguments for deletion. imho, it was tendentious to drag this one back to AfD.
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Sources were presented in the previous AfD discussion, but only one, which I can't access, appears to be possibly usable to qualify notability. However,
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analysis of Kikuchi's approach to recruiting converts and the problems that his approach caused. This is the very definition of
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is wholly owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Primary sources such as these do not qualify notability.
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The article currently claims his father was killed by a submarine and he attended university in Tokyo, but the
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per reasons and sources I provided in November 2018 when Nom last brought this individual to AfD.
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Upon further research and consideration, it is an acceptable source. Struck this in the box above.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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it doesn't say that: it just says "Horoizumi", and at the time of Kikuchi's birth
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said it was a bombing raid and the university was in Hokkaido. Is this another
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Numano, Jiro. β€œHasty Baptisms in Japan: The Early 1980s in the LDS Church.”
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Nb. I still feel that the subject does not meet notability guidelines.
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All Abraham's Children: Changing Mormon Conceptions of Race and Lineage
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are required, not just one. Below is a synopsis of the sources.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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