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Castlevania in terms of monsters and creatures pulled from real myths, legends, fiction, and folklore. Bear in mind that I'm looking at monsters that are NOT exclusive to the Castlevania series. If you take the Super Mario Bros. games, for example, all the enemies and friendly creatures in that game were created specifically for those games. Many games often do. Castlevania on the other hand takes these monsters that we know from outside of video games, and uses them in interesting and imaginative ways. I think that's worth recognizing. And frankly, I think certain monsters deserve the added categories to show what games they've been part of so people can see the different interpretations of each monster. For the record, I also mentioned that I was going to work on making a List of Monsters for Castlevania, and I've already gone ahead and gotten it started at
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but has since been deleted for other reasons. Second, this list is not only related to fictitious monsters (which I have yet to add), but also monsters, creatures, and a few deities of myth, folklore, and legend which some may dispute are not fictitious at all (which are currently what reside within the category). I believe this nomination does not take into consideration the wide variety of monsters that appear in these games, and how the game series can help educate people of what monsters, demons, Gods, and Goddesses exist out there. Third, this list IS discriminate. It only includes monsters that have appeared in the game and does not include all monsters. I already founded the list for that two years ago with the
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the chore. Regardless, I'm looking forward to seeing it complete. And lastly, what criteria was the motive behind deleting the "Actors By Performance" Category? I didn't have a part in that, so I have no idea what those criteria are. By all means, enlighten me, because as far as I know, this category is quite sustainable.
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One of the big problems with this system of categorisation is that action within in any given serial is that it can move between settings - The Girl in the Fireplace is set in France and on space station, An Uneartly Child is set briefly in London and then in an unknown location in the year 100,000
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which I think is turning out quite well. I've been making lots of references to the original Castlevania literature in the form of game manuals and designs to back up my naming conventions. It's not easy since some of it requires translating Japanese kanji, katakana, and hiragana which can be quite
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or categories which, even tangentially relate to mitigation of global warming. Unless anons can be prevented from adding articles to this category, it's unmaintainable, even if there were an appropriate definition. However, I cannot imagine an appropriate definition, so it would probably be better
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which is part of no less than 17 categories, thus heightening its relevance. I believe more categories should be added to vampires as I feel that would increase its number of hits significantly. In conclusion, if you feel this category to be too trivial, then delete if you must. But if so, do not
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as I feel this list helps with exposing people to what kind of fictitious and mythological folklore are present in the Castlevania games which they might not be aware about otherwise. First, it was proposed that a list be made, and truth be told, there WAS a list that was made around 2-3 years ago,
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would be in hundreds of cats for vaguely applying to thousands of books and films. Again, though Castlevania is definitely notable as a videogame series, the monsters listed in this cat are not notable due to their appearance therein. Same reason we avoid categories like "Left handed actors", as
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in subcategories, or (b) has nothing whatsoever to do with climate change. Might make more sense to delete and start over, as most of them were already in a category. I'm not absolutely certain, but I believe almost all entries were added by the 99. anon, either here, or in one of the umbrella
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is only know through the Castlevania video games. In which case, their notability is significantly more than 1% due to the games. Finally, I do not see why the minimal list of categories is a factor. I believe it's more important for Vampire to be listed in MORE categories so that all that it
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Why not Castlevania? This game series has been around since 1986, and is one of the first games to pay tribute to the classic monsters of Horror, myth, and folklore. Sure there are other notable games out there that WP recognizes, but only the Shin Megami Tensei series can possibly compare to
859:. I found the category useful. It certainly needs to be better organised in subcategories (like many other categories). A guideline or even discussion on what qualifies and what doesn't on the category's talk page might help cleanup and maintenance. 439:
Yet another aspect of your issue is that it rapidly spirals into adding dozens of categories to highly popular articles, making intra-wiki navigation unwieldy. If this cat is allowed, why shouldn't vampires also be filed under
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Why Castlevania? Why not any of the hundreds of other video game titles WP has deemed notable? This categorization is unsustainable for the same reason we decided to eliminate "actors by performance" categories.-
535:? Seriously, we're talking about figures with over a millennium of cultural resonance, and yet somehow appearing in a video game series which began in 1986 is a vital aspect of their societal role? 380:. Fourth, saying that the Castlevania video games is only about 1% or less of their notability may be true for SOME monsters. However, some of the more relatively unknown monsters, such as the 1682: 42: 37: 1634: 838:
But wait... even if I go through and organize the categories, every Fred, Jane, and Harry will add their favorite things to "cat:global warming", so maybe completely not worth the effort.
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BC. This would lead to many stories being in both categories rendering them both useless. Also BBC is British Broadcasting Corporation, not the English Broadcasting Corporation!
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It would only help if the anon 99.* were prohibited from adding articles or categories to the category. They are still (as far as I can tell, randomly) adding articles. —
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the rapper discog and hip hop groups discog categories into the hip hop discogs category. A differentiation between solo rapper and hip hop group is not necessary.
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seems to be a made-up name and as such should surely be changed to something not including "/" (and both categories changed to match the article name).
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renaming for now as nominated to match main article; encourage a re-nomination of this category (along with the artists category) if change is desired.
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To match the pattern of " discographies" and the precedent of counting "rap" as "hip hop" (note that "Rap albums" is a redirect to "Hip hop albums").
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You are right about that. However, only one article is really needed and neither label can be described as the "parent" label. What do you suggest?
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We don't seem to categorize albums by combinations of both artist and format. For example, we eliminated all "(artist) EPs" categories a year ago.--
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in England". And while the BBC is for the whole UK, most DW serials that were set on Earth were and are set in England. Regards
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the setting of England is relevant to the story and the audience could easily relate to those places seen on screen. Regards
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Seems a reasonable idea, but each entry and category still would need to be looked at to see if it (a) belongs
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creatures. The fictive aspect is not in the category name, which is an additional reason for deletion.
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If these categories are deleted, can we agree on Grutness suggestion and recategorize the articles to
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Quite alot of the new DW episodes are not set in London when still on or about Earth.
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There are currently several subcategories for groups within genres of music (e.g.
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complain when I make the List of Castlevania Monsters in the future.
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to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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To allow navigation across articles by the common characteristic.
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That may be but the category is not called "serials set
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion
Log
November 20
November 22
deletion review
Category:Nightwish box-sets
Category:Nightwish albums
Xdamr
14:22, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Category:Nightwish box-sets
Category:Nightwish albums
Mike Selinker
talk
20:23, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Category:Box set albums
Category:Nightwish albums
Category:Box set albums
Occuli
talk
21:05, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Category:Box set albums
Mike Selinker
talk
18:55, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Category:Nightwish albums
Alansohn
talk
02:41, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
deletion review
deletion review

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