744:) alternative to it exists. Show me at least one term to refer to the "federal subjects" that is well-established in English and enjoys at least the same level of usage as "federal subjects", and I'll be the first to seriously consider it. All in all, however, this particular CfD is not about this term; it's about the name of a category which isn't right for a completely different reason.—
325:. I am not sure of the purpose of this category. It categorizes individual seasons of the teams who happened to host the All-Star game in that particular year. Otherwise, there is no relationship between the team of that season and the game itself. I think this is overcategorization with better information found in the article
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Other points continued at the main article talk page. You're suggesting 150 is a large number of ghits here?! The categories should be renamed as inadequately clear for category names, whatever happens at the main article. The "the" in the nom is not required by
English grammar, as thousands of other
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Well, it's wrong at worst; extremely clumsy/imprecise at best. Sorry, but it is. Dictionaries acknowledge that "Filipino" has been extended to non-persons in some instances, but that pretty much just recognises the fact that people who don't know any better have made a mistake that people from the
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These people are not Indian (=from India), nor Indian (=Native
American) - if the category is to continue to exist it needs to be renamed. Similarly, the disambiguating term for the members of the category - at present "(Indian captive)" - need to be changed. I'm not America so am not tuned in to
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The structure gels perfectly. It's trivial to describe that the
Pittsburgh Pirates hosted the All-Star Game at some point, but rather defining to describe that the Pirates hosted the game in 1959. If lack of gel or being "silly" is an excuse to delete a category, we have finally institutionalized
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Perhaps it would be worthwhile to (gasp) discuss this with the
Philippines wikiproject (if any) and if users there agree that Filipino should only be used for people then a mass rename of the non-people categories could be done? I'm willing to follow up on this after this discussion is closed.
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My interpretation of this is that either is acceptable, though on balance and in isolation from other categories "Philippine" is probably better in this case. (Although ironically, it is "animation" that is the "inanimate object" in this case.) If it is renamed, I pledge to nominate the other
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Your condescending insistence that you know better what other people want is a sign of a real problem that manifests itself far too often. As an editor and a human, and especially as an admin, you desperately need to start respecting the opinions of others. Some God you are.
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I think that's a good point—the category/article interface in this case doesn't quite gel. That's often a case of a category system being "forced" on a series of articles where it doesn't quite work. I still think it's a silly category; certainly not defining by any means.
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into policy. Delete it if you want, this is CfD after all, but as an admin I would hope you would use policies and guideline rather than personal bias as a basis for making judgments. Sadly, this is common practice both in voting and in casting supervotes to close a CfD.
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How is a catagory documenting teams that hosted a respective Major League
Baseball All-Star Game any diffrent than ones concerning American League and National League championship winners, divisional and wild card winners, and most importantly, World Series champions?
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Filipino recipes, jokes, translation, food, dictionary, and culture and shows 24 million hits. These are rough impressions I've come up with trying to splice things very thinly. I might be imagining some of it.
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is also there; not much, admittedly, but the topic is hardly newsworthy and of much interest to the
Western readers. Like it or not, the term exists, is in use in the area which matters the most (academia), and no other viable (yet alone
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Almighty-ness must be disappearing in its entirety.
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On the contrary, all these categories, and the main article should be renamed using idiomatic
English. The term is sourced to a ref in Russian in the article, and ghits are virtually all from WP or mirrors. The
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