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restatement of the general criteria for inclusion of any article in Knowledge (XXG). As a practical matter, any conlang that has been sufficiently discussed to make such an article will tend to be significant, interesting and/or have artistic merit, and any conlang worth including will acquire such commentary eventually, at which point it can be added to Knowledge (XXG).
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I posted earlier saying I oppose the "with an ISBN" criterion entirely because it would exclude older professionally published books and include newer vanity press books. Your sales criteria are an improvement, but I think it would be better still to allow in books with lower sales rank if they they
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A conlang should be included if and only if it can be the subject of an informative, NPOV, well-sourced article that includes opinions and facts gleaned from verifiable sources other than the creator's own site, provided that the article does not stray into Original Research. This is essentially a
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For the "books about a language" criterion, there should also be requirement of either a) having an Amazon book sales rank number lower than 500,000, or b) verifiable evidence of sales of more than 100 copies. Anyone can buy an ISBN number. I personally know of one book with sales of less than 50
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are written by someone not involved with the language's creation. Being able to reference independent writing about the language by someone other than its creator means the language is verifiable and we can write an article without doing original resarch. --
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Let's say "...other than the writings of the language's creator(s)". That will make it general enough, not tied to conlangs by a single author published only on the web. --
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This is certainly a great feat and an interesting criterion, but it shouldn't be a cut off point, as most (and I do mean most) natural languages will fail this criterion.
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2,500 words has been more frequently mentioned and would probably be a good threshold. I tentatively proposed criteria for the quality of the lexicon but
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the language. That prevents many small-press and unsupported languages (other than those who think it's a good idea) from having articles.
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Has a corpus of at least 25,000 words publicly available (in books, on the web, or mss. in a library's special collections) --
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Feel free to add any criteria you come up with to this list. (Don't forget to sign them.)
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Concerning the "been mistaken for a real language" criteria, how would we verify this?
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the language about a topic other than the language itself. That shows that it's used.
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independent discussions/reviews of the language by people other than the creators --
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Inspired a conlang that was notable by one of the major conditions. For example,
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Has been discussed in a professionally published book or magazine article
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Has at least 50 speakers. Few constructed languages get to this mark.
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copies: it has an Amazon book sales rank number a bit above 700,000.
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Has a reference grammar that covers all or most of the points in the
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was created by an Esperantist to ferment dissent in the Ido movement.
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Has established notability outside of the conlanger community.
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Has been used in professionally published fiction/media. --
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Among the 100 most popular conlangs, as determined in
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Conlangs
Almafeta
Langmaker.com
Langmaker.com
Adjuvilo
ISO 639-1
ISO 639-2
ISO 639-3
Occidental
Interlingua
Almafeta
14:28, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Emînough
talk
23:47, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Jim Henry
Talk
IJzeren Jan
Jim Henry
Talk
Carlos Th
(talk)
Differential criteria due to purpose
Carlos Th
(talk)
Jim Henry
Talk
Lingua Questionnaire
Jim Henry
Talk

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