Knowledge (XXG):Featured article review/archive/November 2008

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referenced, or removed, as has much that wasn't tagged. Removed sections are mostly opinions or stuff that I simply couldn't source, and which didn't seem significant to the coverage. I'll add them back if I find sources in the future. I've also generally expanded the history section, both because that's the area's main claim, and to reflect the weighting given to it in the various sources. I've got a couple more old (early and pre 1900's) photos I would like to add, but I'm holding off until I can make a second trip to the site to take new photos, as they'll give me "then and now" comparisons, which should help the article (I went recently, but the photos came out with a bit too much glare). At any rate, I'm sure there are many things I still need to do, so any suggestions or comments on what to do from here would be gratefully received, and I'll do my best to act upon them asap. (This seems a good opportunity to make a better article, but I guess that's why this process exists). -

3701:) can hinder progress. In either case, a permalink to the current version of the article can always be used for people wanting to refer to that. Maybe not ideal, but if I ever built up a stable of articles that I wanted to keep a permanent record of, I would take a snapshot of what they looked like at their "best" moment (i.e. the permalink - though remember that changes to templates can ruin the appearance of older versions of an article) and then allow a "different" version to evolve (keeping NPOV and article quality in mind - the article quality and balance mustn't deteriorate, even if the 3730:"; following that link reveals that the requirement applies to "direct quotes and for material that is challenged or likely to be challenged"; I can see nothing in the article that is controversial in the slightest. No indication is given above as to which "statement claimed" is meant. The criteria 2c turns on the evaluation of appropriateness in 1c, which I do not believe has been established. The references offer both primary and secondary sources and the article is well-written, detailed and scholarly. 3697:. This is one of the milder ones, in my view, but I wouldn't disagree with you that there are such issues. The problem is where does the line get drawn? If Ceoil and Ottava come up with an article acceptable to all, would that address your WP:OWN concerns? Or would it move the concerns from one person to three? Also, FA-status is sometimes used to justify reverting to an earlier version of an article. Sometimes that is fully justified, but at other times that attitude (another form of 3675:

surprise proving that I am not as cynical about Knowledge (XXG) as I thought I was. To say "I don't want to turn the article into something Geogre did not intend it to be" suggests that articles are not allowed to evolve from a single editor's point of view because of article ownership. This seems to me against the ethos of Knowledge (XXG), but hey, I now know Knowledge (XXG) does not uphold its own values. I still have time to grow more cynical. —

1909:. The article would benefit from more inline citations that specifically attribute the opinions stated to identified experts. (See for example: "In many phonetic treatments, both are considered types of rounding, but some phoneticians do not believe that these are subsets.") Short sections should be merged or expanded. Minor point: it could do with a copy-edit, e.g. both "Pharyngealization" and "Pharyngealisation" are used. 3910:"John Gay wrote to Jonathan Swift on 3 February 1723, "There's nobody allow'd to say I sing but an Eunuch or an Italian Woman. Every body is grown now as great a judge of Musick as they were in your time of Poetry & folks that could not distinguish one tune from another now daily dispute over different Styles of Handel, Bononcini, and Aitillio. People have now forgot Homer, and Virgil & Caesar...." " 3943:- Currently, the references in the bibliography cannot possibly cover the claims made in the article - most of the references are primary sources. Sadly, the bibliography does not even reference the most important scholarly works on Augustan drama. I see that Ottava has agreed to do some referencing for this article - that is excellent and I look forward to its improvement. 1717:. There were actually opposes based on not seeing the note that says everything not specifically sourced comes from Pepys' diary, or on the mistaken idea that this is somehow improper and the article must be cluttered with hundreds of citation footnotes that all look exactly the same. They were correctly dismissed at the time, and they should be dismissed now. -- 1218:. I have a copy now, so the rest of the inline references will be completed over the next two days, and I can focus on any other concerns that are raised here. At this stage, though, the bulk of the difficult referencing is done, with the "protection" section the next to be completed. The other sections are more factual, and thus easier to dig up. - 2497:

article topic was one conflict in a history of hostilities covered by another article. I am unable to get a hold of many new sources, unfortunately, so any new help I give to improve this article will have to be more in the wp:mos area. Committed to improving it, though, when my regular connection returns.

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I agree with Fayssal that the layout needs tidying up; the images and tables are too crowded together and the style of the boxes showing recipients should be consistent throughout, rather than change half way through. In addition, I still think that the image licences could be tightened up, but these

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Thanks - I'm looking into it. I'm presuming it comes from the 2001 census stats, although not having much experience working with the ABS figures I'm finding it tricky to get stats for Waterfall Gully - it isn't big enough in terms of population to warrant a separate listing, being largely a reserve,

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Just to keep this side of the process informed, I've found enough sources to reference everything, and I'm slowly working down the article, extending it where the sources suggest that more weight should be given to an issue, and either referencing or rewriting claims to meet the sources. Hopefully it

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The article is in need of a great many citations and there are numerous MoS problems: non-breaking spaces; image locations, captions, and sizes; article is littered with vague terminology when better figures or at least estimates could be found (e.g. "attracted many miners and young men from all over

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IV i.)), it fails the specific 2c criteria. In FAC these days, full referencing is consistently required by reviewers to allow readers to check sources for themselves for accuracy and POV. This prevents "common knowledge" of a particular point in time from being accepted as scholarly fact in later

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Although there is a list of References at the bottom of the article, they are not specific to statements claimed. I do not want to add fact tags, but I can if that would be helpful, as for me some of the statements seem to be personal opinion or the opinion of a particular group, but not necessarily

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This article was nominated in February 2005; in my opinion, it no longer meets the FA criteria. Many key statements, such as the identification of his philosophy with structuralism, lack citations. The structure needs improvement as well: the sections on "changing viewpoints" and "terminology" could

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the sections noted as being of particular concern have footnotes (nos 32, 43, 44 and 53) which note that all material in these secitons is from the single source indicated, unless there's another footnote. Other than vandalism, the content of this article has been very stable across the period I've

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I was planning on nominating this myself in the near-future. I see a lack of inline citations, problems with the first two images and prose and MoS flaws all over the place. For example, Genesis of Test cricket is filled with proseline: four consecutive paragraphs start with In 1852, 1859, 1861, In

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The list of books is very impressive, and it must be disheartening to be told that this is no longer FA after such a lot of work has gone into it. I would say that at present the article doesn't meet the current standard of an FA, but that does not mean that it is a bad article. In fact, I wouldn't

4044:- Currently, this article does not meet 1c. Its lack of inline citations does meet the current FA practice (one's opinion of this convention is irrelevant) and its list of references does not adequately cover the material in the article, making it even harder for readers to verify the information. 3106:

Sorry to leave this so long. Skomorokh, if you're still around the most obvious deficiency is the almost total lack of references in the Works section. How much of those summaries is unlikely to be challenged and how much is interpretation? I dunno. But that's where work would need to begin again.

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Unfortunately, as only my second major article, I was inexperienced in the writing and souce gathering processes and thus the possible issues of neutrality were not as obvious to me at the time of writing. The title issue was a problem at the time if I recall, and I think it was discussed that the

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I support to remove this from the featured article list. The title of the war is disputed, and there's a large amount of books and academic works written about it so the article could be expanded and backed up by many more sources. Innitially the article looked pretty good because it had a lot of

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I'm not sure on other things about the article, but I personally wouldn't consider a long lead to be a reason to bring it to FAR. That can be rewritten fairly painlessly; the lead just needs to be summarized further. It probably would have been more productive to bring this issue to the article's

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I do not feel the article is inaccurate because I trust the original nominator's work. But of course that's not sufficient for FA standard. This needs inline referencing. For example: "To an observer on the comet, the Sun would subtend an angle of over 80° in the sky; it would appear 27,000 times

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Sorry for the delay - it proved difficult to track down all the sources I wanted, and given that this is/was (and hopefully will remain, all going well) a featured article, I wanted to be extremely careful about how they were used. At any rate, everything tagged has been referenced, reworded and

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Erm..."In this step, possible improvements are discussed without declarations of "keep" or "remove". The aim is to improve articles rather than to demote them. Nominators must specify the featured article criteria that are at issue and should propose remedies. The ideal review would address the

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1c. For example, the statement "King George I referred to himself as Augustus" caught my eye because, having written the article on George I, I fancy myself as the George I expert on-wiki. I'd never heard that before. Unfortunately, I was unable to find mention of it in the six books on early

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and that other editors agree to protect the ownership of this article. If this is the case, my request will not be taken seriously and will be ridiculed and ignored (as seems to be the case from some of the comments below.) Still, I am surprised that a single editor can control an article, my

1123:. While both predate 1955, and therefore are out of copyright under Australian law, I'm not sure how that fits the standard library claims of ownership. (I have a replacement for the first image from my own collection, and should be able to replace the second, if this is deemed necessary). - 1492:

I've rewritten the lead, referenced the last sections that I thought needed more support, and tried a general copyedit on the prose - I'm still a bit close to the article to be particularly effective, but hopefully I improved some of the sentence structures and the wording here and there. -

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You've done some great clean-up and referencing work, and I agree that we should see if it is still salvageable. I'm going to have a look soon to see what I think could be expanded, but in the meantime maybe people who know more about Foucault than I do could come up with some suggestions.

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Lack of citations is the main concern and I would question the article's accuracy too, although I haven't had time to check that yet. I'm not happy about the tone as the overall read puts me in mind of a magazine article. To be honest, I think that a review of this article against the

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need different licences, but I'm not sure what. They're not NASA images; they're SOHO images which is a consortium of European and American agencies. I do not believe that they are public domain, but it is permissable (indeed "encouraged") to use them for educational, non-commercial use

3829:- if someone wants to put together a list of specific lines that should have citations, please give it to me and I will address them after discussing it with Geogre. Ceoil, I have quite a few of the books that can be relied on. I never added them before out of respect towards Geogre. 3892:

Carcharoth, I'm not familiar with the topic, and the ref was from Google books. This is why it might be better if we sandbox, and, although Ottava has more knowledge, ask for Geogre to review before we taking to mainspace. You input aswell in this would be very much appreciated.

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and imprecise quantities that make the article too wordy instead of being crisp and concise: "some", "several", etc. Vague terms of size are often unnecessary, or introduce an appearance of ambiguity when precise numbers can give precision instead. (You may wish to try Tony1's

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The voyage between England and Australia was not invariably a 48-day affair. In 1882, for example, the SS Assam took 49 days to convey Murdoch's men from Melbourne to Plymouth, while Ivo's winter wag, delayed by a Sympleglades-like collision with the Glenroy, took as many as

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Agreed. This was approved when standards for FA were quite different a few years ago. Some work will be required to bring it up to current standards, but it helps that it is very well written to start with. (Note this is simply a reply to Michelle, not a review comment.)

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I don't want to turn the article into something Geogre did not intend it to be; so i'll sandox a cited vesrion on my user space, ask Geogre to vet, and we'll take it from there. Its likely to be a long one though Marskel; warning you up front; but I think is worth it.

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That was, however, a more recent featured article which met the standards of a later time. Some of the comments in that link (re number of sources) are just lame. :P Broadly speaking anything late 2006 or later has been assessed fairly consistently on the new rules.

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representative of various opinions given their due weight as in NPOV. The article can be seen as a scholarly essay representing a particular view or evaluation of the subject of the article. There are no critical or alternative views or evaluations available?

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do not detail original sources (by which I mean the nineteenth century artist not the web source). These are preferred so that the age of the image can be checked (I can delete the local copy if appropriate information is provided on the wikicommons versions).

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larger and brighter than when viewed from Earth, and would deliver 37 megawatts of heat to each square meter of the comet's surface." Hard data of this sort needs citations. I don't want to clutter this with flags, but I'll place some if you find it useful.

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Oh, it definitely is an issue, its a very big article to have 24 citations and that's it, so there are a horde of statements without citation in this article that need addressing, so this should stay here, for long lead and very small number of citations.

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FA status. How this article can have Featured Article status with such a stupifying lack of citations is incredible. Sorry, but this article needs some work before it can be elevated to FA status again, in my opinion. It just doesn't meet the guidelines.

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A lot of extra time was given to this one and I think it's time to close. Skomorokh, don't take the removal badly at all. It did improve, so your work was worthwhile. I think we probably need a content area expert to bring it back to FA.

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Thanks for the consideration, Marskell. I am prepared to work on any criterion 2, 3, 4 and 1 (a) and (c) objections. I haven't the time to add entirely new sections to the article, nor am I suffiently familiar with the subject to address

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It is also currently being neutrally disputed, and I myself found that the language of it is rather inappropriate for FA criteria. There is also a bad use of layout. The lead is too short, and some images squash up a lot of the text.

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Numerous unreferenced statements are in this article. A larger range of additional sources are needed throughout as it is currently very poorly referenced. "Citation needed" tags remain present consistently throughout this article.

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been watching it, which must be 18 months or more. I don't have access to the sources indicated, but if someone did it would be a relatively straightforward job to maybe give a slightly more specific page range for each paragraph.

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nice images, but that of course should not be enough to have it as a featured article. I would like to work on this article myself too once I have some books ready, and will work towards making it featured again if it loses it now.

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B-class criteria would fail and it would be rated C-class. It certainly is well short of current FA standards. Most of the work was done a few years ago and it illustrates how standards have been raised since it was promoted.

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has no artist information; this should be replaced with an image with more complete information. Obviously, the citation needed markers need clearing. Minor point: the external jump right at the end of the text looks a bit odd.

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talk page or a related WikiProject before bringing it here. Issues like referencing and such require much more time so I'd consider those to be better reasons to bring the article to FAR—that may very well be the case here.

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Ceoil, I rely on you for so much and thus hate to ask, but...are you up for this one? You know the game: one week or three months, FAR doesn't mind. Ya, we could just sit here shooting but it gets awful dull two years on.

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1c and 2c. Many sections and subsections such as Tuesday and Wednesday in the Development of the fire section lack many citations. The Aftermath section has several non-referenced paragraphs. Thoughts and opinions please.

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This has hardly changed at all in the 2+ years since the primary author lasted edited it. Shame. I have no reason to doubt the info, but I don't know if anyone will step forward for an astro article so relatively obscure.

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The layout is a mess and that is due to the images and the boxes. I don't see the need of using pictures of all kings who had a relationship with the award. I've found difficulties on how to approach this problem. --

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I agree Wetman. In addition I would like the lead to cover its effect on popular culture; I'm thinking here of the many video games, Simpsons edisodes and death metal songs that mention the legacy of Maffei tragedy.

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And now having had a good read, I certainly didn't write some of this stuff, the article appears to have had some significant changes since I last saw it, so it may take me a bit longer to work out what is going on.

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It is also not universally agreed that the 1882/83 rubber ought to be seen as comprising only three games. A fourth (which, significantly, England lost, thereby drawing the series level) has been granted Test-Match

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It is also untrue that the term "Test Match" did not enter the cricketing patois until 1885: Hammersley employed it in Sands & Kenny's Cricketers' Guide to denote five important matches on Stephenson's 1861/62

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is in need of some serious trimming (as long as many articles), there is an External link farm, there are one-sentence sections, citations are unformatted and lacking, image layout needs attention to comply with

2256:. It addresses some of the structural problems, but the citation needed tags still need clearing. Minor point: the picture of "Merchants" in Venice seems extraneous, given that Venice is not otherwise mentioned. 926:

The article is certainly in need of citations. On the plus side, it looks like the structure is ok - I'll see what I can do with it. (It is also listed for 0.7, so the work would be useful either way). -

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1868. Not FA-level today. Also, I see a few repeat links in the lead, just to give one problem out of many. The lack of references is the biggest issue, but the rest of this needs a lot of help as well.

3912:. Here, it would be nice to be able to follow this up in (presumably) a collection of the Letters of John Gay (or of Swift). But to do that, we need to know where the quote and letter has been published. 1333:: First sentence I read says: "The Mount Lofty Ranges ... was first sighted by Captain Matthew Flinders ... " There are places where the prose gets a bit snakey, would be good for Tony to have a look. 206:

I'm done with the main part of rewriting the article, though I still have some stuff to add (photos to scan, a section about locomotives). I'd appreciate comments about the content and general format. --

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are a minor points relative to the main area of concern: the lack of inline citations. Unfortunately, I do not read Polish and so would not feel comfortable tackling the process of verification myself.

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Done, or so I hope. I found a source for the 2001 and 2006 data, and it matched what was already there, so I referenced accordingly, as well as taking the opportunity to update for 2006 figures. -

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Fixed date format, appears to all be unlinked, ndashes and conversions attended to, rmved the italic quotes, fixed the Mugges, rmv common noun linking from the obvious words, and fixed dashes.

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The remedy is simple, that citations be added. However, other editors have commented on other areas of improvement. Overall, this does not make it a FA quality article in its current state.

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This article contains very few inline citations, and we promoted way back (in Knowledge (XXG) terms) in 2004. It might also need a copyedit, but the main thing it needs is more references.

3869:"In The Spectator, both in number 18 and the 3 April 1711 number, and many places elsewhere, Joseph Addison fretted that foreign opera would drive English drama from the stage altogether." 3919:. Would be nice if a specific page from there was located for the Addison quote above. I initially thought it was an archive for Spectator issues, but I now see it is a single article. 4818:

Whether the Ashes were presented to Bligh after he had secured them (as the article suggests) or beforehand at Sunbury (as is far more likely the case) has not yet been established.

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I submit that the structural issues have been addressed and respectfully request fuller elaboration on the objections to the article's referencing and comprehensiveness. Sincerely,

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on number ranges ( ... younger (0-17) ... ); missing conversions ( ... and 100 metres of road ... average elevation of 234 metres above sea level ...); I didn't scan beyond there.

3751:, which required very specific knowledge). A couple of editors could bring this to the current standard in a week or two, if anybody is interested in helping rather than shooting. 2798:

Although I have very limited access to the Internet at present, I might be able to devote a half an hour or so to saving this if clear consensus on what needs to be done emerges.

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3071:: I just archived this and then changed my mind, considering Skomorokh's post. We're ever patient here. However, an update is needed soon from people who intend to work. 888: 4518:

Agree that the copyright notice can be safely ignored here, but we still need to know the publication date. It looks like this might be PD in Poland but not in the US.

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On a more superficial level, t would be nice to have a couple more images, if any can be found. Someone on the talk page mentioned wanting to have an actual photograph.

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That is a different image (although similar), and looks like it has an incorrect license tag. It could replace the current image if desired, if the tag is corrected.

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Ruslik finished the first round of references. I need about a week to make sure I've done a proper copyedit. Can the end of this FAR be extended accordingly? -

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Could you please be more explicit about the problems you see in the article? I think that would prove very helpful is rectifying any issues you came across.

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instructions: declarations to delist or not are not made during the review phase. The purpose of review is to hopefully identify and address deficiencies.

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bothering to salvage an article of this type which the project has long since outgrown by introducing reviews of individual seasons, tours and series.

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Sorry, I should have been more specific. There are numerous examples of hyphens being used where spaced en dashes or unspaced em dashes should be. –

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The image is non-free and requires a non-free content rationale. Education only and non-commercial are not acceptable licenses on Knowledge (XXG).

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I'd like to see more about Foucault's legacy, in other words, an expanded and referenced version of the "influences" section that was taken out.

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This article definitely wouldn't pass FAC at this point, or GAN for that matter. I see massive issues with 1C, some minor 1A issues, and 2C. —

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Alright I failed to check the original FA nomination. Due to my terrible oversight this is now closed. Sorry for any inconvenience caused. --

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eighteenth-century English drama in which I looked. If everything in the article is commonplace, it would not be so difficult to verify it.

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I'm certain that the image is fine. The owner of the copyright explicitly permits educational use by not-for-profit projects like this one.

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It was certainly published in US after 1923. But Polish PD makes it PD worldwide, usually (I haven't seen an exception to this yet...).--

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to do the notifications with {{subst:FARMessage|Waterfall Gully, South Australia}} and post them back to here as in the sample at

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consider myself qualified to comment directly on the content. I am merely saying that it unfortunately does not meet the present

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I've gotten back to this article. I'll handle the content; you guys can deal with formatting (but please, not until I'm done). --

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I have completed it for the most part, though I plan to select a few more images. One thing I am not sure about is whether

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I will begin working immediately on each of these items. Collaboration and/or constructive suggestions would be welcomed.

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summary of the concerns and I would re-emphasise my concern above about accuracy. Realistically, I cannot see anyone in

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Keep or Delist are not declared in the review phase; the purpose of review is to identify and hopefully address issues.

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2005 rules did not require inline citations. Neither were the then existing citation templates popular or mandatory.

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We should work in more about criticism of Foucault, to justify the "controversial" label applied to him in the lead.

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referencing standards were not so demanding, so can we have a little patience and give the article a chance please?

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Although we shouldn't give it undue weight, I'd like to have a bit more about Foucault's relationship with Defert.

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This is not actionable. Please tag any statements in the article you find questionable, and I'll check them out.

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That's great! I think that clears up any issue over images. I'll add the sources to the image pages tomorrow.

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I agree. There are some minor bugs in the prose that could be worked out, but that shouldn't be hard to fix. –

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I'll get to the lead (and adding images) soon. As for minor formatting errors, I'm not dealing with those. --

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there are some other minor MoS issues as well, if the citation tags and other major issues can be resolved.

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would strengthen the article, allowing readers to directly track what information comes from which source.

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How this article can have Featured Article status with such a stupifying lack of citations is incredible

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tool. I made some changes that I think address some of the MOS/Layout issues as well as fixing refs.

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I added the last note that I wanted to add. So the only problem is minor (in my opinion) copy-edit.

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On the comprehensiveness front, the article makes no mention of his being gay or of his impact on

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I've added back a section deleted by a vandal, and a section heading to cut off the lead earlier

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Replying to MGM - I just think that obviously the referencing, but the sources there are fine. —

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I had to delay it a bit while I did some marking and got hold of one of the original sources -

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Minor point: I would expand the following contractions to make the writing style more formal:

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Suggested FA criteria concern is referencing (1c), comprehensiveness (1b), and structure (2).

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Okay, I just wanted to make sure. Otherwise, it's just a waste of time for a lot of people.

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still don't know what Mügges are, a family I guess, it would be nice if it was clarified.

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I think I've managed to correct the licenses on the incorrectly tagged images, but ideally

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is too long. It should be a fair summary of the article, rather than an article in itself!

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won't take too long to finish the process so I can start addressing any other concerns. -

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Suggested FA criteria concerns are referencing (1c), prose (1a), MoS (2), and images (3).

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This is on its way to being closed unless the nominator can provide additional concerns.

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per David Underdown and Yomangani. Moreover, this is not in any way a new discovery, see

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and go into detail about his theory there if anyone wants to actually tackle this page.

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The topic is broad enough that it could easily be cited by a non-expert (as apposed to

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If it became an FA without them, then it is usually fine. But per SandyGeorgia above.

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There are too many external links; these should be trimmed. Also, cut the dead links.

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The table of contents is too long—it should be shrunk down by merging short sections.

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have three different date formats: unlinked ISO, unlinked day month year, and linked.

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I'm working on it; it may take a few weeks but it should be expanded and improved. --

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tags; the information in the article checks out. This was featured at a time when

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Featured article criteria 1(c) - lacks inline citations, in fact it has only one.

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Suggested FA criteria concerns are lead (2a), MoS (2), citation formatting (2c).

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Yes, the book arrived the other day and I'm about halfway through reading it. --

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The "Spectator" link in the References section is broken. New link should be

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My mistake about the declaration, but I think my comments still stand. Best,

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for suggestions on formatting references; for articles with footnotes, the

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I agree structure is fine, just applying the very high standards of a FA!

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Both are from the National Library of Australia collection. The first is

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criterion in particular, numerous statements that have not been citated.

That was to remove anti-Semitic vandalism revisions—a separate matter.

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Problems in article layout: 3 1-3 line subsections in "Articulation".--

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and thus they only seem to list the wider area. But I'll keep going.

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Please complete the FAR by following the instructions at the top of

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Suggested FA criteria concerns are referencing (1c) and images (3).

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That's what I spotted when checking the referencing of the quotes.

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P.S. I gather from some of the comments below that this article is

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years. Further, all quotations should be specifically referenced. —

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Although there are a couple of inline citations (e.g. (IV 55–60), (

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Suggested FA criteria concerns are referencing (1c) and layout (2).

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This has been addressed, but I'd still like to see a longer lead. –

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Vaoverland, hopefully you'll find the following comments helpful:

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Suggested FA criteria concerns are lead (2a) and referencing (1c).

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Can we finish this soon? I need to return the book in six days. --

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