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happening. Yes it is distant. The proponents of that RfC were a small group of royalist afficionados, obsessed with kings, queens & princesses. They watch such guidelines. Most of us don't. This is not a "kings, queens & princesses" article, it's a "history" article, used by a much wider range of writers of history articles, who don't have any particular interest in kings, queens & princesses, and merely refer to them out of necessity. We trusted the norm that exists in historical writing, and the norm which has prevailed on
Knowledge for the past twenty years. This change came as a complete surprise, damaging history articles across the board, and had been duly resisted everywhere it has been tried to apply. Yet the peculiar opinion of a narrow obsessive clique of how to refer to their favorite crowned idiot overrules the much larger and much longer opinion of the wider community on significant articles of historical interest? That one obscure guideline instantly trumps all other concerns and overwhelming objections, including all other policy concerns? That's a rather poor weighting system.
4022:. Editors who would have seen the nomination and would find no reason to object (and did not !vote, presumably) under a premise that the rationale, based on the equivalencies drawn, seems fine, were not introduced to the facts properly, because, indeed, the Venezuelan government =/= Chavismo. Calling anyone who opposes the current government as anti-Chavista implies an essentialized notion of the government as embodying Chavismo, which is obviously questionable. It is actually original research. Under these circumstances it can't be said with sufficient certainty that the decision reached was a good decision. RMs exist to provide the community with time and structure to reach a good decision. The process does not exist for the sake of process. The nominating statement in the reviewed RM is probably not conducive to making the best decision. Therefore, instead of reopening, allow an interested editor to start a brand new RM that is not based on questionable equivalencies.â
1302:. Do you have any potential moves in which you think applying the guideline would actually improve the title? IAR is for exceptions, not rewriting guidelines established by broader community consensus. As for the closure, I agree it should have been done by an admin (and I hope this MR is closed by an admin). However, solely being a BADNAC is not a reason to overturn a close. There wasn't a lot to analyze: one side had the support of the guideline, the other argued that we should LOCALCONSENSUS that guideline out of existence. You don't need to write a dissertation to analyze the outcome of that discussion.
1493:(uninvolved). After weeks of languishing in the backlog without being addressed by any admins we should be thanking the NAC rather than admonishing them for closing this discussion. As to the closing statement, itâs concise. Itâs obvious that they mean Support was based on SOVEREIGN and opposers were not policy-based (that wasnât refuted); an accurate assessment. Anyway, they've clarified here as well as on their talk page, and brevity in the closing statement is no reason to reopen, much less overturn, and theyâve already explained their closing more in at least one subsequent close. â
2337:, after which Dylanvt could have opened a RM to reinstate the move. However, Classicwiki instead opened a RM to revert the move. Now we have no consensus to revert the move, no consensus to keep the present title, and (while there is consensus to remove the year) no consensus to just remove the year and keep the rest of the present title. Given the title is controversial, I think the cleanest sensible path forward is to wind the clock back to before 14:26, 2 April, restoring the original title, after which Dylanvt or anyone can start a new RM. As it happens,
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recognize or acknowledge that policy was invoked on both sides of this debate. Instead, to judge from their three-word closure at the RM, they considered the guideline to be literally the only relevant factor, which again is very much at odds with the outcome of the discussion. In the post-RM follow-up on their talk page, and in comments they've made here in this MR, the closer seems to support quite firmly the position advocated by those supporting the move despite the discussion having failed to reach such a conclusion.
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904:, and the guideline was then updated accordingly. The oppose votes did not give any specific reason why that guideline should not apply in this individual case, but simply tried to refute the whole premise of the updated guideline. But an individual RM isn't the forum for that, a fresh RFC would be required to update the guideline. As such, the closer was entirely right to ignore those !votes per the Knowledge version of
440:, a non-admin closure is not appropriate for moves in which the outcome either is close or is likely to be controversial â and the lengthy, highly divided, and at times even contentious nature of the recent spate of SOVEREIGN-related discussions such as this one unquestionably meets that threshold. Despite this, the closer refused to consider reverting even when asked by two editors (myself one of them).
1508:(involved). Opposition was actually policy-based, overwhelming and entirely ignored. It is poorly-conceived guideline change that is contradictory of policy. Cavalierly moved without careful nor balanced consideration of the policy at stake. There was no consensus for this move, nor did the mover claim to find any, nor addressed why policy should be ignored in this case.
3247:(uninvolved). The closer, BilledMammal, was correct to point out the sources cited in the RM (all apparently product listings) are unreliable. The information provided on the closer's talk page may be reliable, but needs to be presented at a future RM. (PS, I've gone ahead and informed BilledMammal about this discussion since the user who began it did not.) ~~
1873:. The closer correctly interpreted the discussion as concerning a request to move away from the current title. They correctly observed that a proposal to return to the initial title was among the actively discussed options, however it did not garner necessary support â the community has undoubtedly supported the initial rename, even if it was undiscussed. â
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article's talk page, a consensus that must be strong indeed to overcome a community consensus. The "distant" guideline, which happens to be part of a very extended series of naming conventions, and which appears to apply directly to this naming issue (rather than being "distant"), represents just such a community consensus. And the participation in the
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the guideline improperly balances these things, they should seek to amend the guideline. Retaining a handful of titles that contradict a guideline because editors feel they are more appropriate, without defining and codifying why they are more appropriate in said guideline, ultimately decreases rather than increases the consistency of our titles.
993:. This statement reveals misunderstanding of the role of the closer and mustnât be allow to stand. It is not the role of the close to apply policies and guidelines, but to summarise the participantsâ discussed application of policies and guidelines. It is not acceptable to say there is a role, secondary or otherwise, to count votes.
1855:; the discussion at RMTR is the cause of this move review being opened, as while three uninvolved admins have agreed that the article is at the wrong title, none have been willing to unilaterally move it over full move protection and the objections of the closing admin - they have instead recommended that a move review be opened.
2466:(involved): I see very little well-reasoned support for moving it back to the original title, or original minus the year, and plenty for the current title. It seems to me that the consensus was to keep the title except for removing the superfluous date per NOYEAR, hence why I Endorse the move for correctly applying that policy. --
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this one clearly was. The response to my approach was that "The role of a closer is primarily to apply policies and guidelines and only secondarily to count votes. In this case, the guideline's prescription is clear". If the latter were truly the case, there would not have been such a long dispute over its application.
3857:(2) If the closer had seen the previous RM with opposition, I would consider it unreasonable to close the move as "uncontested" without the participants in the previous RM having been pinged. (And even if the closer wasn't aware of the previous RM, that would still be a reason to reopen under the second bulletpoint of
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in line with the relevant
Knowledge policy. My point is: the common name of the subject is its abbreviation and the abbreviation is primarily used for this subject. I have proven this with various different shops and manufacturers as examples, and in discussion with the closer also Google Ngram and book titles.
2858:(uninvolved). The close was reasonable based on the discussion that had occurred up to that point. I concur with Alalch that, if you're looking to change the title again (including back to the previous title), starting a new RM seems more likely to yield a productive discussion than reopening the prior RM would.
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wider group (and 20+ years stability) are to be given 0% weight? Is there any point to RMs then? Or is this just kabuki theater? Why even have any human editors do closures? We could just program a machine program to do it. Blind machine reasoning would be no less enlightened than the closer's reasoning here.
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To attempt to clarify, and speaking for myself, I supported the MRV nom because he had new arguments. But I am not personally persuaded by the arguments. And noting now that he began by arguing editor behavioural problems, and is now blocked for âabusiveâ sockpuppetry, this MRV is severely tainted.
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As for BADNAC, an almost entirely unexplained closure by a non-admin of a divided discussion on a controversial request which doesnât even acknowledge many of the points that were raised or discussed strikes me as sufficient grounds to seek a closure by an admin. The NAC guidance exists for a reason,
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Regarding guidelines, we seek to apply them wherever it makes sense to do so, but the idea that the existence of a guideline overrules all other titling considerations or objections, and is the only relevant consideration in RMs, is simply wrong. If it were so then RMs would become unnecessary and we
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Do you know the meanings of the words âspecificallyâ and âmereâ that you have quoted. It seems not. Part of the close is the closing statement, and the closer did not do a good enough job. No respected admin would close with that one-sided terse statement that reads like a
Supervote and conveys no
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A narrow RfC on a narrow guidelines page that very few people watch but ends up significantly affecting thousand of pages outside of it, which a lot of people watch. Who is the wider community exactly? Most of the opponents of this move did not participate in that RfC, and were not even aware it was
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My query was not about rehashing, but asking about the weights you're assigning in your argument about assessing local vs. community consensus. Who do you think is the community? Who is local? A distant guideline recently changed by a narrow group of people should be given 100% weight, but RMs by a
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We see several RMs, some still ongoing, where this issue, which has been discussed endlessly, is either being handled or mishandled. In this case the guideline along with its community consensus is crystal clear. And local consensus, no matter how strong numercally, should not overthrow the community
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Discussion was closed by a non-admin in favour of the move, even though consensus was clearly not in favour. The closure appeared to have little reasoning or valuation of the arguments behind it. Non-admins are advised against closing discussions where the outcome is likely to be controversial, which
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I think that one is a candidate for MR as well. At first glance it looks like a good close namely by taking into account the opinions of people in the discussion it doesn't take into account community consensus. I was going to wait and see what the consensus of these other MRs are before considering
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While you have previously called these out of process RMs a number of times, that shouldn't be conflated with what "is considered out of process" by MRV commenters generally (or ). As you know, RMCI includes an observation that successful re-requests generally take place at least 3 months after the
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Sounds like you've never closed a move request that was attended only by the nom. Over the years I've closed several like that. What makes this request any different? Editors had a full week plus a relisted week and then some. What would reopening accomplish? It might draw attention from those here
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There were three people involved in the discussion. One person initally opposed the move but later changed their mind and supported. The other two people continued opposing it, of which one never replied to my comment. They stated their opinion for a title, based on incorrect reasoning which is not
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compelling and controversial debate that apparently started long before the RfC that gave the guideline a new direction. This particular eruption of Mt. Concise Titles has spewn gas and dust that often blocks the
Sunlight of rational rebuttal. It's lava boldly covers up civility and sears and burns
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The guideline wasnât ignored: its application was raised and thoroughly discussed. However, a consensus did not emerge that applying the guideline in this case would actually improve the titles, with policy-based rationales raised on both sides. As such, the concern here at MR is that the closure â
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we can't just ignore the guideline because of who happens to turn up at a discussion. If you dislike the guideline, you can open an RfC to get it changed. IAR is for exceptions, not rewriting rules. There is no indication about how Edward IV and Edward V are different so as to require an exception.
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The majority of !votes did not mention âWP:SOVEREIGNâ. One that did was in opposition. Many of the oppose !votes cited shortcuts to policy section, which nominally outrank WP:SOVEREIGN as a mere guideline. That makes the discussion contested and complicated, and the closers closing rationale that
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The essay is fairly emphatic about âweightedâ counting, and the complexity is in the weighting. The phase âto count votesâ implies a lack of appreciation of the importance of weighting, and even if they know this, itâs important to call out the bad phrase for the benefit of less experienced others.
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clear: article names of
Medieval European monarchs should not include territorial designations unless disambiguation is required, which everyone agrees is not the case here. Consensus is based on the strength of arguments rooted in policies and guidelines, and the arguments of one side were clearly
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The RM is for presenting arguments supporting or opposing the move. This MR is about evaluating closerâs finding that support arguments were better based in policy. This MR, not a reopened RM, is therefore the appropriate forum for showing how policy cited by opposers didnât actually support their
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Admins being more experiences is definitely a correlation, but admins being vetted for wisdom in difficult closes is the point. This closer does not appear to be good enough to be trusted with contentious closes, like a typical NAC-er, and the terse closing statement is an example of a bad close,
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The difference seems clear enough to most editors: a community consensus is represented by a policy or guideline, a strong consensus that has been garnered over time as the result of long-standing edits, RfCs or other discussions. A local consensus is the result of a local discussion on a specific
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Topic-specific naming guidelines provide a stable framework by which to balance all five criteria (recognizability, naturalness, precision, concision and consistency). Their consistent application provides for what editors have determined to be the best balance of all five. If editors believe that
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Although I lean to preferring the current title, per the balance of statements on that talk page after stripping the blocked userâs statements, restoring the old title on the basis of the March RM being too soon after the
November RM, is nit unreasonable. However, noting the blocked user was all
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and also agreement to remove the year. So I endorse this closure; the current title should remain so. I would ask only that the closer adjust the RM's closing statement to include this information for posterity. The closing admin has no problem with a fresh and immediate RM to resolve any further
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This was not asked nor covered on the closer's talk page. As much as I would like to endorse the closure of an editor who has been on WP for coming up on twenty years next year, who became a sysop in 2006 and who is now a trusted and seasoned admin, I just cannot make an informed decision without
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We're not going to agree or change each other's mind, so I acknowledge your view but politely and firmly disagree and will leave that as that on this discussion specifically. I'm happy to continue elsewhere, though. I would like to keep this MR solely about the specific close, since we seem to be
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found it and had entered your opinion before it ended. The rest of your questions, with a healthy amount of respect and esteem, are frankly beneath you and represent heartfelt frustration that is understandable, even if not agreed with by many editors. This issue is apparently still up for grabs,
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while there was a bit more opposition (14 v 10) and the close looks a bit of a supervote it was closed in accordance with the guideline which yes is controversial but that's what the guideline is and I don't see a reason to ignore the guideline when the !vote tally isn't so lopsided to ignore the
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When I see a close and agree that I would have reached the same conclusion, then I pretty much endorse. Consensus can change, and when there is no opposition for twice the time it should take to reach a conclusion, then I see it as a change of consensus probably due to complacency on the part of
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I agree. Nobody has said that WP is perfect. Perhaps another RfC should be opened to revert the guideline change? In any case, as things stand right here in the present moment, this RM closure should be endorsed in accord with the guideline in its present state. Changing the guideline is not our
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to a guideline) but fails to achieve consensus, that's a legitimate and useful result that can then prompt a reappraisal of the guideline, including discussions in other venues about how to improve it. That's less likely to happen if we simply rubber-stamp-approve even contentious or problematic
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I'm sorry, but a move discussion with only one !vote is not "consensus." This is no different procedurally than unilaterally moving the page using the Move tool, even if it is not the fault of the nominator, and then having someone else notice it was moved several weeks ago and reverting. I see
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Please take a look at the dates of the comments in this discussion. I provided the examples to the user
YorkshireExpat, who agreed with me in the end. The last comment by an opposing user was 06:05, April 3rd. Most of the examples in the top discussions are from after that moment, so it is not
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That's not responsive to BilledMammal's point, which wasn't about how long the title was live, but the fact that it was immediately contested. Clearly there is no stable title, since the page has only existed for a few weeks and the title has been debated essentially the entire time. Hence the
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In the RM itself the closer chose to provide no rationale beyond simply linking to the guideline, which ignores the substantial amount of debate (and lack of consensus) on the very question of whether applying the guideline in this case would yield the best title. The closer also seemed not to
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I'm genuinely sorry if my words seem cryptic to you. Like SJ below, and as I said before, I am not against what appears to be the probable outcome and consensus of this review. Perhaps there should be further immediate discussion? The close was good, and yet maybe you and others here are onto
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There was more participation and a greater margin of opposition in this RM than there was in the
November RfC that changed the wording in an obscure guideline. Who is the "local community" and who is the "community consensus"? Can I make up my own guideline and force the change across pages
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decision. The longer one waits, the more likely one will build stronger arguments and successfully rename the article. If this RM were to be reopened, the liklihood is that it would still end in no consensus, so it would be better to wait and strengthen your rationale. There have been a few
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topic-specific naming guidelines provide a stable framework â but the recent contentious change to NCROY is neither successful nor stable, as mounting evidence affirms. The results of RMs prompted by the change have been all over the board, and a number of them have entirely failed to reach
4101:) is the sole driver for reopening/ relisting, others merely supporting, and so for practical reasons at least this should be closed, with the standard moratorium of six months before a fresh RM, unless another editor in good standing speaks up soon and want to pick up the nomâs cause.
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still appears to suggest it is. In any case this makes NCROY consistent with most other topics that aren't disambiguated unless needed. So the guideline was brought in line with most other topics so its not like its a bad close to ignore it when it was made consistent with others.
4180:
that's... kind of how nominations work? If there was unanimous opposition to this proposal, sure, close it and let someone else re-file down the line, but "procedurally closed because people are agreeing with a now-blocked user" is one of the weirdest takes I've seen in a while.
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The closer is there to judge the consensus of the community, after discarding irrelevant arguments: those that flatly contradict established policy, those based on personal opinion only, those that are logically fallacious, and those that show no understanding of the matter of
1845:. The close itself appears reasonable, but the decision on what title should be utilized given a no-consensus close is contrary to policy, and I am opening this move request to request overturning that aspect and moving the article to "Iranian consulate airstrike in Damascus".
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One can easily agree with that as you wrote it, but that's not what happened. It was the idea that the existence of the community consensus behind a guideline overrules all other titling considerations or objections that are considered by the closer to be too weak to warrant
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Or simply observe RM results. After all, one way we determine whether a guideline merits the kind of attention you describe is through RMs just like the one we're considering here. When an RM seeks to apply the provisions of a guideline (or in this case a questionable
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that established the new guideline was well-attended, and comparisons of the relative size of participation of the RfC and individual RMs are not helpful unless the RfC consensus is so weak that it cannot be said to represent the broader opinion of the community.
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decisions an RM is out of process if it begins less than three months after the decision. Waiting times are pretty arbitrary and based on past experience of successes or failures of the new RMs. "Out of process" is just a description â nothing's etched in stone.
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Why do you say "the community has undoubtedly supported the initial rename"? Maybe I missed some context, but that doesn't seem supported by the no-consensus close, at least. The closer clarified that "There was no consensus in the discussion for anything except
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would result in that title being kept, so the outcome should be robust to variations in the exact process used to get there. There is consensus in the RM to remove the year, but that is orthogonal to the question of which of two alternatives should be chosen.
695:. MRV is not a place to rehash the RM nor is it a place to rehash the RfC that changed the guideline. Here at MRV only the closure of the move request that has been nominated above is the focus of attention. Said closure was reasonable and should be endorsed.
354:, etc. Continuing to try to apply a guideline that lacks consensus support in practice is what's making our titles about sovereigns inconsistent... and until we take the lessons of these contentious RMs to heart and revisit NCROY, it's unlikely to improve.
653:, not policy. Itâs right to apply them wherever it makes sense to do so, but not where it doesnât, and discussion is how we find the line. The idea that a guideline automatically trumps all objections short-circuits that process and is not how we operate.
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If it has never been stable, or it has been unstable for a long time, and no consensus can be reached on what the title should be, default to the title the article had when the first major contribution after the article ceased to be a stub was
293:'s prescription, but they should be seeking a consensus to change that guideline, not waging dozens of battles across individual RMs. Until they do, it is the closer's job to apply policy as it is, rather than as some editors wish it were.
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Perhaps a good call, I don't know. First glance yields a seasoned admin closer who apparently detected a really good IAR arg to ignore the guideline. If that RM is reviewed, I'd have to look at it more closely before rendering an opinion.
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unsuspecting inexperienced editors. Just as this review might go either way, the issue itself has yet to be fully flushed out, and anything may as yet happen. On the level of local RMs, the issue has been going both ways, for example, see
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I do not oppose to this being reopened but calling it a reverted unilateral page move is uncalled-for; the supposed controversial move was opened for 2 weeks with no one supporting or opposing. Doesn't look so controversial to me. Best,
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closed as having very little chance of getting a different outcome, but they shouldn't be procedurally closed as invalid process absent an express moratorium (or a consensus to change that observation into a procedural waiting period).
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created every time a requested move is closed with a consensus, particularly not one that lasts for four months, which was the amount of time between these two RMs. And the nominator plausibly asserted a change in circumstances.
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wrong. And coming from a place of closing many RMs that were contentious, some of which were reviewed here and most of which were endorsed, I have to applaud the closer for diving into this issue. He has gotten caught up in a
1237:, a non-admin closure is not appropriate for moves in which the outcome either is close or is likely to be controversial. This is clearly a disputed move, without consensus. Huwmanbeing's comments above summarize my thoughts.
366:
says that we don't disambiguate just because other similar articles need disambiguation and I'd note that NCROY was one of the exceptions to the rule of not being more precise than needed and this exception was changed though
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This may be because a discussion has fractured into several possible titles and none seem especially suitable, or simply because equally strong arguments and appeals to
Knowledge policy and outside sources were found on both
2846:. You are suggesting an incremental improvement over the result of the last RM which indicates starting a new RM to further improve the names. There is no need to do anything with respect to the RM nominated here for review.â
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previous one, but that is just a description of likelihood of success, not a procedural waiting period (however flexible) for a re-request to be a valid RM process. Re-requests are often quickly rejected by commenters and
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Yeah, that doesn't make any sense to me. An AfD with one participant is soft closed. I don't see why a RM should be treated any differently. And an RM by a user that's now topic banned shouldn't carry any weight at all.
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What? Do a search for âLondonâ without
England. By your âlogicâ London is not recognizable and needs disambiguation. Please. This is why opposition arguments were discounted. They were based in nonsense, not policy.
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was only âper WP:SOVEREIGNâ is patently inadequate as a summary. That makes it a BAD close (even if the result happens to be right), and them being a non admin makes it a BADNAC and means they really should read
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at MRV, but if it takes two weeks and an MRV to change the consensus found by the closer, then there is something wrong with this picture. And I'm sorry right back to ya because a discussion with only one !vote
925:(uninvolved) this is one of the instances where the guideline is crystal clear, and those opposing didn't really rebut it apart from an IAR argument. I agree an RfC would be necessary in order to overturn this.
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Further, the new title wasnât stable because it was disputed an hour later on the talk page by opening an RM - stable means undisputed, not unreverted, as for it to mean otherwise would encourage edit warring.
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position. Continuing to misinterpret RECOGNIZABILITY here in the MR is not helpful, except to reinforce closerâs point about their job: âto apply policy as it is, rather than as some editors wish it wereâ. â
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because we still see RMs going both ways. Don't know if that helps your stomach rumblings, but it appears that not all of the cards are as yet "in", so to speak. Your opinion, if a minority one, is not alone.
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In light of current events, the older title should be restored, and a fresh RM should only be opened if there are new and strong arguments to do so. The RM under review was opened only about 3 months after a
3885:. This consensus at a formal move request was to move to the proposed article title. The longer editors wait to open a fresh RM, the better their chance of success. Recommended wait time is minimum one year
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3968:, and discourage a fresh RM for two months. No criticism of the close, but with ArbCom being involved, a central editor now topic banned, another sock-blocked, itâs a mess and a pause would be helpful. â
1113:, which was done. I do think that an elaborated rationale would have been beneficial, especially for utter shitfests like the NCROY RMs, which I saw from other closes by Compassionate made after this one.
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are policy. And it is not baseless. As someone who claims to be "uninvolved", it turns out you have opinions on the matter. The RM should be reopened to allow you to make your case there, and not here.
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explained, Classicwiki could certainly have reverted Dylanvt's move unilaterally, and then any further unilateral moves would be prohibited as move-warring. A no consensus result on an RM initiated from
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says "default to the title the article had when the first major contribution after the article ceased to be a stub was made" â that was the original title. (I don't understand at all the arguments that
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consensus of the guideline without very compelling reasons. This closer did not see reasons that were compelling enough to ignore the guideline. I think that's reasonable and in accord with the RM
1146:
Insinuating I don't know what words mean is rude and I ask that you not do that again. RM isn't like a VPP close; controversial RMs have been closed without a policy link even and upheld at MR.
1580:(which show the opposite in this case, by a huge margin), and why their name meets the RECOGNIZABILITY threshold, but the other doesnât. Opposition did none of that; it was not policy-based. â
1289:â did not consider or fairly represent the outcome of the discussion, and seems like a supervote. Without a proper closure by an administrator I donât see having any confidence in the result.
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and remained so for two weeks, with a few later changes, back-an-forth, but always "embassy" was the more stable title. Yet, there was nothing resembling "long time" in this very new article.
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can only be invoked if the invoker explains what makes this case special, or else IAR could be used to ignore the newly passed guideline entirely, which is clearly against the spirit of IAR.
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1576:âbecause COMMONNAME and RECOGNIZABILITYâ, is not a policy-based argument. To be policy-based on those policies, one has to show their preferred answer is more commonly used in RS, like with
3757:. And now, after two weeks of complacency, one other editor opens an MRV? That may be enough for some, but it is not enough for me. This RM close should stand on its own as viable for now.
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There's only one way it could have been closed, though, because there was only one participant, who is now topic-banned. The close itself was not the issue, the procedure was the issue...
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1976:, the page clearly needs to go the "most recent stable title" (or, if you prefer, "the title used by the first major contributor after the article ceased to be a stub") minus the yearâ
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Anyway, if policies are contradictory, we have to refer to local consensus, and there was no consensus to support the proposal of going back the much less stable term "consulate". â
3864:(3) There is no reason to wait several months to continue a minimally-attended discussion. If that were an actual requirement, it would be all the more reason to reopen this RM.
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outcome is followed in less than a year by another RM, it is considered out of process unless there are significant new arguments or old arguments have been strengthened. With
1805:
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That was unexpected. I still think allowing immediate renomination might make sense considering the new discussion on the talk page and the fact this is or was at ArbCom.
2609:" This is the part that belongs in the closing statement to dispel any confusion. It's not just the date that was unwanted, but the entire old title. The closer went on, "
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Overall, the "Opposition to Chavismo" title is inaccurate, "Opposition to Chavismo and Madurismo" is a mouthful and having two different articles would be an unnecessary
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2310:(uninvolved) on the no consensus but yet not moving back to the original title conclusion. I had said my part in the RM/TR discussion. I don't mind it being moved to
84:. The close should have been performed by an admin and included more explanation of the rationale, but otherwise there is consensus that the decision is correct. The
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the idea that the existence of a guideline overrules all other titling considerations or objections, and is the only relevant consideration in RMs, is simply wrong.
1104:. The buttons one has doesn't make a good closer. The close is policy-aligned with current NCROY, and the closer correctly applied close procedures. Directly from
2824:'s one year. I support the second move occurring, but the first move doesn't need to occur and this article should be reverted back to its original location at "
1602:, and see what comes up. It's not this guy. Anyway, that's not what is being discussed here. The closure is the topic, not your opinions on the proposed move.
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Specific guideline aside, all you have to show is including âof locationâ is most commonly used in RS when referring to the person. Nobody did that in the RM. â
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Regardless of your disagreement on the term "out of process", NoonIcarus listing an RM barely three months after they'd had the previous RM that they'd listed
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Unfortunately there was clearly no consensus to move, the examples were not convincing to those who participated in the discussion. Try again in a few months.
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controversial especially given the POV-pushing, we should treat this as a reverted unilateral page move and re-open the discussion to get a better consensus.
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Unless someone really believes the nomâs 2nd paragraph arguments and is prepared to argue them in the reopened RM, I donât think the RM should be reopened.
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a consensus â even a page moved without discussion is a consensus until challenged. But wait! that's not the case is it. This consensus is the result of a
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Happy to talk about what you wrote, if you want to claim your meaning is different. No one is claiming it should be overturned merely because itâs an NAC.
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appears to have been a bit more than you have depicted with your "narrow group of people" observation. The outcome is unlikely to have changed even if you
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does not apply.) I don't object to dropping the year from the original title â that would be a less clean rollback, but is probably more sensible.
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topic-tired editors. Ya snooze, ya lose. In terms of what this review board is here for, that was a good close, reasonable and in line with
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Good, reasonable decision. Again, editor PhotographyEdits, wait a few months and try again if you still think a title change is necessary.
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Merely claiming COMMONNAME or RECOGNIZABILITY does not establish basis in policy. Not to re-argue here, but did you look at relevant
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3683:. It should be endorsed, and editors who snoozed and now think it's wrong should wait several months and then try to move it back.
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I'm pretty sure that just means there was strong consensus not to go back to the title with the year. The closer specifically said
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reflection of the other side of the discussion. There is more to closing a contested discussion that getting the result right.
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Oh, plenty. At any rate, this is not the place to have this discussion. When the RM reopens, you can go argue it there.
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is the obvious primary topic for "Today (Australian TV program)", which has aired for 44 years in comparison to the
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2384:. But also since the current title clearly does not match the article lead.
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the building destroyed was the Counsulate as everyone can check by their own
3419:. As the previous discussion laid out, "Opposition to Chavismo" is actually
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discussion but is an opportunity to correct errors in the closing process" (
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because there is both "Chavismo" and "Madurismo". Making the comparison to
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My point is that the following about no-consensus is not true in this case:
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the RM was completely out of process and the result should be overturned.
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exceptions to this over the years, but not many. Sincerely hope this helps
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Well, please let me try to show how sensible it is. This RM closure was a
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I don't believe that's a reason to overturn a lack of consensus, sorry.
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closure, the best practice is to reopen. Reopening is a better way to "
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being a closing statement that does not reflected the discussion.
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A fresh move request can be opened to settle any ongoing issues.
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consistently opposed the move. Do I misunderstand your point?
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presidencies and has not been against just one individual. The
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and would overturn the move to the originally suggested title.
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involvement and which arrived at a completely different close
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and should be disregarded â it only refers to situations when
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And I'm pretty sure that the closer was clear when he wrote "
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disagreeing fundamentally about what makes a proper close.
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per the closer's perceived consensus to remove the year?
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1045:Of course. I am just responding to your claim that
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3945:Relist / Reopen / Allow an immediate fresh RM
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1342:. This was not reflected in the closure.
3413:forced their own titling on the project
2517:Iranian consulate airstrike in Damascus
2499:Iranian consulate airstrike in Damascus
2313:Iranian consulate airstrike in Damascus
2142:14 April: Article moved to "consulate"
2137:2 April: Article moved to "embassy..."
1978:Iranian consulate airstrike in Damascus
1714:Iranian consulate airstrike in Damascus
1704:Iranian consulate airstrike in Damascus
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3428:Opposition to Vladimir Putin in Russia
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2181:13 April: RM closed as "no consensus"
564:regardless of widespread opposition?
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2167:1 April: Article ceases to be a stub
303:; edited 14:41, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
3270:of the page listed in the heading.
2885:of the page listed in the heading.
2682:of the page listed in the heading.
2655:as explained by others here and at
1678:of the page listed in the heading.
2163:You missed a few relevant events:
1594:Recognizability? Do a search for
487:Another example of a bad closure.
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4326:that it was barely over 3 months
2407:and understood the consensus for
2083:an article title has been stable
4199:Further, talk page progress, at
2497:per editor Amakuru above, or to
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973:(uninvolved) per my comments at
396:The new name is consistent with
3430:and the other categories are a
3296:). As usual, editors who think
3266:The above is an archive of the
2881:The above is an archive of the
2678:The above is an archive of the
2657:the preceding technical request
2090:within 15 hours of its creation
1674:The above is an archive of the
1008:Knowledge:Of course it's voting
2380:(uninvolved) procedurally per
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4320:Move to previous article name
2826:Today (Australian TV program)
2701:Today (Australian TV program)
2032:to move it back. As a result
1338:our policy obligations under
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2591:other than change the year.
2147:Back-and-forth moves follow.
1980:. No objections to a new RM
1956:(uninvolved). The title was
1911:#Commenting in a move review
1402:another one this month (May)
3686:There was plenty of time to
1830:made a "no-consensus close"
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4502:18:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
4457:17:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
4432:00:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
4410:06:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
4396:01:36, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
4374:14:50, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
4364:, reads very differently.
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4254:22:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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3966:move back to the old title
3928:23:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
3913:16:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
3642:16:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
3467:the movement that opposes
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2872:19:35, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
2851:12:38, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
2838:08:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
2727:20:19, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
2558:issues, so neither do I.
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2335:Knowledge:Requested moves
4178:others merely supporting
3326:Please do not modify it.
3273:Please do not modify it.
2937:Please do not modify it.
2888:Please do not modify it.
2743:Please do not modify it.
2685:Please do not modify it.
2134:1 April: Article created
1755:Please do not modify it.
1681:Please do not modify it.
308:guideline on consistency
131:Please do not modify it.
4001:changed on this topic.
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2754:Today (1982 TV program)
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2633:03:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
2601:01:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
2578:17:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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1984:this review is closed.
1833:(with the exception of
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1649:14:22, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
1636:03:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
1622:01:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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1216:08:52, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
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1142:05:19, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
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1081:03:16, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
1066:13:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
862:17:09, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
795:01:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
783:00:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
767:09:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
731:18:57, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
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115:05:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
3883:and should be endorsed
3843:A few points in reply:
3471:Chavismo and Madurismo
3393:Discussion with closer
3337:Opposition to Chavismo
3289:Opposition to Chavismo
3004:Discussion with closer
2810:Discussion with closer
1822:Discussion with closer
256:Discussion with closer
3600:< uninvolved : -->
3598:(Restore old title.)
3459:Venezuelan opposition
3440:Venezuelan opposition
3415:proposed a move only
3298:consensus has changed
3294:Venezuelan opposition
3217:< uninvolved : -->
2487:< uninvolved : -->
1853:the article talk page
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18:Knowledge:Move review
3995:Consensus can change
3611:closing instructions
3448:the English language
2288:Bad vote. This is a
2018:Endorse and overturn
536:closing instructions
43:Move review archives
3755:formal move request
3432:false equivalencies
3323:of the page above.
2934:of the page above.
2740:of the page above.
2079:not applicable here
1752:of the page above.
1572:should be moved to
344:Holy Roman Emperors
128:of the page above.
4003:ModernDayTrilobite
3879:Agree to disagree.
3302:Extraordinary Writ
2913:Extraordinary Writ
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2593:Extraordinary Writ
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3881:Close was good
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4085:User:Primefac
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3852:WP:SOFTDELETE
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3726:SportingFlyer
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3526:
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3503:
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3070:SportingFlyer
3067:
3066:
3065:
3061:
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3031:SportingFlyer
3028:
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2431:
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2426:
2422:
2421:Aquabluetesla
2418:
2414:
2410:
2406:
2402:
2401:Endorse close
2399:
2398:
2395:
2391:
2387:
2383:
2379:
2376:
2374:
2370:
2366:
2362:
2359:
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2297:
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2281:
2277:
2276:Nicola Romani
2273:
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2073:
2069:
2065:
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2058:
2056:
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2042:SportingFlyer
2039:
2035:
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2023:
2019:
2016:
2012:
2009:
2007:
2001:
1997:
1996:
1995:
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1987:
1983:
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1975:
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1967:
1966:anything else
1963:
1962:there was not
1959:
1955:
1952:
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1946:
1942:
1938:
1934:
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1930:
1924:
1921:
1918:
1912:
1908:
1904:
1902:
1898:
1894:
1890:
1885:
1884:
1883:
1880:
1878:
1872:
1871:Endorse close
1869:
1868:
1867:
1866:
1862:
1858:
1854:
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1836:
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1570:San Francisco
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1466:
1460:
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1449:
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1434:Crouch, Swale
1428:
1427:
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1421:
1419:
1413:
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1403:
1399:
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1129:
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1058:
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1048:
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1038:
1034:
1030:
1029:
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1024:
1020:
1019:
1014:
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992:
988:
985:
983:
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976:
972:
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948:
946:
943:
941:
935:
933:
928:
927:SportingFlyer
924:
921:
919:
915:
911:
907:
903:
899:
898:WP:COMMONNAME
895:
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887:
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780:
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771:
770:
768:
764:
762:
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741:
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734:
733:
732:
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724:
719:
718:
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712:
710:
704:
703:
702:
694:
690:
686:
685:
684:
683:
682:
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677:
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660:
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553:
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516:
512:
508:
504:
500:
499:
498:
494:
490:
486:
485:
484:
480:
474:
473:
471:Crouch, Swale
466:
458:
455:
453:
452:
449:
444:
439:
435:
432:
426:
422:
418:
417:
412:
407:
403:
399:
395:
389:
385:
379:
378:
376:Crouch, Swale
370:
365:
364:WP:CONSISTENT
362:
361:
360:
357:
353:
352:Swedish kings
349:
345:
340:
336:
335:
334:
330:
323:
322:
321:
317:
313:
309:
305:
304:
302:
298:
292:
287:
284:
283:The guideline
280:
277:
276:
275:
274:
270:
266:
257:
253:
248:
241:
235:
228:
220:
212:
205:
201:
198:
195:
190:
183:
177:
170:
162:
154:
147:
143:
140:
139:
138:
137:
134:
132:
127:
122:
121:
116:
113:
112:
108:
107:
103:
102:
98:
97:
92:
87:
83:
79:
75:
74:
70:
69:
68:
67:
62:
59:
49:
46:
44:
41:
39:
33:
32:
23:
19:
4543:
4540:
4537:
4534:
4532:
4528:
4516:SilverLocust
4484:
4483:
4479:no consensus
4478:
4474:
4470:
4450:SilverLocust
4426:
4423:
4420:
4417:
4415:
4390:
4387:
4384:
4381:
4379:
4350:
4347:
4344:
4341:
4339:
4335:
4331:
4327:
4323:
4317:
4316:
4298:
4295:
4292:
4289:
4287:
4270:
4267:
4264:
4261:
4259:
4229:
4221:
4153:
4150:
4147:
4144:
4142:
4131:
4128:
4125:
4122:
4120:
4095:
4071:
4063:
4036:
4035:
4031:
4019:
3998:
3986:
3965:
3944:
3908:
3891:
3890:
3886:
3882:
3878:
3867:SilverLocust
3814:
3813:
3799:
3791:
3763:
3762:
3754:
3750:
3736:
3728:
3721:
3717:
3692:
3691:
3685:
3684:
3658:
3650:
3637:
3620:
3619:
3616:
3608:
3604:
3595:
3590:
3579:SilverLocust
3545:
3531:
3515:
3507:
3496:
3492:
3474:
3468:
3458:
3457:. The title
3455:content fork
3452:
3435:
3420:
3411:and who has
3398:
3325:
3318:
3287:
3272:
3265:
3244:
3221:
3220:
3213:
3189:WP:ARTSINGLE
3148:
3147:
3144:
3140:no-consensus
3096:
3080:
3072:
3041:
3033:
3026:
3009:
2936:
2929:
2908:
2902:
2887:
2880:
2855:
2843:
2815:
2742:
2735:
2710:
2709:
2705:
2699:
2684:
2677:
2662:SilverLocust
2644:
2615:
2614:
2588:
2560:
2559:
2554:
2546:
2523:
2522:
2515:
2509:
2490:
2483:
2482:
2463:
2400:
2377:
2360:
2330:
2307:
2289:
2262:
2190:BilledMammal
2122:BilledMammal
2089:
2084:
2078:
2071:
2052:
2044:
2029:
2025:
2021:
2017:
1981:
1965:
1953:
1932:
1916:SilverLocust
1906:
1870:
1857:BilledMammal
1846:
1754:
1747:
1734:
1729:
1724:
1719:
1702:Overturn to
1701:
1695:
1680:
1673:
1597:
1547:WP:COMMONAME
1505:
1490:
1453:
1452:
1431:
1406:
1405:
1388:
1383:
1382:, is simply
1344:
1335:
1331:
1328:
1303:
1264:
1255:
1239:
1230:
1093:
1050:
1011:
986:
970:
949:
937:
929:
922:
906:WP:CONSENSUS
893:
889:
844:
843:
749:
748:
743:
737:
697:
696:
692:
650:
648:
627:
613:
591:
540:
539:
527:
468:
465:Ferdinand VI
456:
445:
441:
433:
409:
373:
338:
337:Correction:
291:WP:SOVEREIGN
285:
278:
261:
130:
123:
110:
105:
100:
95:
77:
71:
60:
4083:Blocked by
3812:something.
3444:common name
3321:move review
3268:move review
2932:move review
2883:move review
2738:move review
2680:move review
2405:WP:NOTAVOTE
2318:â robertsky
2290:move review
1750:move review
1676:move review
1596:"Edward V"
1186:Sennecaster
1149:Sennecaster
1116:Sennecaster
954:WP:NOTAVOTE
507:WP:NOTAVOTE
463:guideline.
406:Edward VIII
342:consensus:
126:move review
3991:WP:RMNOMIN
3848:WP:SILENCE
3570:WP:RMNOMIN
3554:WP:RMNOMIN
3550:uninvolved
3403:, who has
3249:Jessintime
3181:MOS:JARGON
2907:â Closure
2830:Happily888
2649:uninvolved
2435:WP:PRECISE
2417:WP:CONCISE
2413:WP:PRECISE
2272:WP:PRECISE
2028:consensus
1317:· he/him)
1278:· he/him)
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1064:· he/him)
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902:WP:CONCISE
894:of England
651:guidelines
641:· he/him)
605:· he/him)
460:(involved)
423:· he/him)
402:Edward VII
369:WP:PRECISE
339:successful
61:2024 April
38:2024 March
4529:not moved
4475:not moved
4402:SmokeyJoe
4366:SmokeyJoe
4246:SmokeyJoe
4205:SmokeyJoe
4165:SmokeyJoe
4117:SmokeyJoe
4103:SmokeyJoe
4024:Alalch E.
3970:SmokeyJoe
3949:SmokeyJoe
3920:SmokeyJoe
3605:not moved
3596:Overturn.
3101:Alalch E.
2848:Alalch E.
2706:Endorsed.
2484:Question.
2409:WP:NOYEAR
2386:Marokwitz
2038:WP:NOYEAR
1889:WP:NOYEAR
1835:WP:NOYEAR
1720:King of â„
1628:Walrasiad
1604:Walrasiad
1600:"England"
1556:Walrasiad
1510:Walrasiad
1398:Thryduulf
1325:SOVEREIGN
1287:WP:BADNAC
1235:WP:BADNAC
1208:SmokeyJoe
1170:SmokeyJoe
1134:SmokeyJoe
1073:SmokeyJoe
1033:SmokeyJoe
995:SmokeyJoe
775:Walrasiad
723:Walrasiad
566:Walrasiad
438:WP:BADNAC
398:Edward VI
142:Edward IV
96:King of â„
82:WP:BADNAC
73:Edward IV
4570:Category
4324:how soon
4183:Primefac
4099:contribs
4089:WMrapids
4032:Comment.
4011:contribs
3592:Endorse.
3479:WMrapids
3461:is more
3214:Endorse.
2909:endorsed
2868:contribs
2645:Overturn
2589:anything
2447:XDanielx
2378:Overturn
2361:Overturn
2331:Overturn
2308:Overturn
2295:kashmīrī
2220:XDanielx
2205:kashmīrī
2153:kashmīrī
2102:kashmīrī
2072:Comment:
2005:kashmīrī
1970:WP:NOCON
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1954:Overturn
1941:XDanielx
1933:Overturn
1893:XDanielx
1876:kashmīrī
1506:Overturn
1298:You say
1231:Overturn
958:Rosbif73
588:WP:VPROP
580:WT:NCROY
528:Endorse.
511:Rosbif73
434:Overturn
200:Edward V
80:despite
48:2024 May
20: |
4510:WP:SNOW
3987:Reopen.
3718:even if
3681:WP:RMCI
3497:clearly
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3377:archive
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3245:Endorse
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3097:Endorse
3027:Endorse
2988:archive
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2856:Endorse
2844:Endorse
2794:archive
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2547:Endorse
2244:Amakuru
1827:Closer
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1785:history
1598:without
1491:Endorse
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1242:Timothy
1098:WP:RMCI
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923:Endorse
910:Amakuru
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4328:it was
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3546:Reopen
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2512:WP:IAR
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