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The picture that I placed in articles in main space were recently created. I did not realize that this was contravening the agreement that I had made with you. The links back to my articles in userspace were unintended. You can varify that the links were first created in usespace to link between my
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If wikipedia continues to delete articles like this which do not fit with what they believe, wikipedian history will become more athieistic, unbalanced, a construct of their own policies and not based on reality. You are creating your own delusional system!
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Webspace applies.) The material would take a large scale rewrite of Knowledge (XXG)'s policies to become acceptable. (There would be little point rewriting the material, as it would then become duplication of existing articles... )
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Egyptian dynasties ran in parrallel as there were separate kingdoms in the North and the South of Egypt. Any timeline that presents one serial sequence, one king or dynasty after another, simply cannot be right.
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The dude's creating fake "articles" in userspace. They're full of OR and synthesis, and therefore can't be moved into article space. Tell me why we should sweep them under the rug and say "well, it's
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A quick observation. The userspace article thing is hard to call disruption worthy of an Rfc. The not hearing that original research is not appropriate for the encyclopedia, is a larger problem.
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Drnhawkins I fully believe you have good motives. I do not believe your intention is to be disruptive in any way. It can be a difficult thing to write on topics where we have strong beliefs.
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The Bible contains the
Chronicles and records or Israel. It is not possible to write an article that correlates Egyptian history with that of Israel without referring to the Bible.
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