883:. Invites abuse, the troll's favourite (next to {{npa}}). And even when used in good faith, it's as Doc says never to good effect. The prerequisite for blocking via WP:PAIN is mere layering of wikibureaucracy, and favors those users who're at home in its byways and shrubberies. It should go, too. If WP:PAIN blocks (which should be rare anyway) must have a prerequsite, make that prerequsite a human-speech warning.
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Earthling a while back. Obviously, the result will be the same, but I just want to get someone to userfy it. If I didn't nominate it, someone else will come along and
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