Knowledge (XXG):Village pump (technical)/Archive 14

2396:: 6.400 items in total, 5.250 of which occurred once (counted by comparing the title only), 470 twice, 102 thrice and about 100 occurred more than thrice). So it is only the tip of the iceberg which you would adress with the above idea. As you indicate you would delete a subpage for a reference which is just used once, which seems to be pretty much repelling. But if you want to start with, say, the 100 most frequent ones, which could perhaps be extrapolated to some 10.000 for en.wp as a whole, this can be helpful. Probably it is even relatively easy to pull the stuff out, and in some semi-automatic way create all these reference subpages. But it is, as we say in German, only a drop on the hot stone. 2297:(or if the information is incomplete, would retrieve several books etc., or also several editions) is better than {{Bloch_Ernst_FuO}} or similar things. It is rare (never occurs?) that there are two different works (not two editions etc.) having the same last name of some author and the same title. Therefore a template like {{REF|author, title}} should be fine. If some duplicates of this kind do arise, they could still be distinguished à la {{REF|author, title, year}} etc. 2077:, however I think a "Reference:" namespace is a simple interim approach that will bring additional minds to bear on how this beast should end up working, and will increase the developer base working on Wikicat. Even with a structured datastore added to Knowledge (XXG), the Reference namespace will still be a useful layer on top, allowing unstructured content and discussion to occur. 2258:, for example. The system / the editors created templates called {{SopAja}}, {{SopŒC}} etc. I guess these names have been chosen by an editor. Sop stands for Sophocles etc. Just imagine you have 20 other authors Sop***. Then you would need to extend the current 3-letter scheme to more letters etc. Or imagine a book written by 5 authors. Or take a book written by 2945: 2400:

lines discussed above. I wrote this database (just learning PHP/SQL along the way) in short time. Importing the math articles templates was a matter of a couple of nights (stupid clicking all the time, though :-)). So I think with relatively little effort the result can be much better than with the subpage approach.

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Almost everyday of my life, I come across the wikipedia search engine and its all out incompetence. Every time, I have to resort to google to find the beginnings of a search that I eventually end at wikipedia. Can someone please explain to me why nothing has been done to fix this completely basic and

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Does the template that displays when "The database has been automatically locked while the slave database servers catch up to the master" appear broken to anyone else? The lock image displays along with the above text but there is a bunch of wikicode displayed around it as well. I have no idea what

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I'm not particularly sure I'm even asking in the right section here, but I figure I'll get pointed in the right direction anyhow! I was wondering if it's possible to generate an automatic list of articles with different cleanup issues, say for a WikiProject? At present, updating a to-do list consists

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I can only offer to participate in writing a database, which could fill the gap before (if ever) there is the wished extension of mediawiki. Another thing I can offer is to publish the source code and/or the contents of zeteo in some way so that more people can have a look/try to improve it along the

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While this approach would be comprised of standard pages, the French pages in this namespace are very structured: the pages consist almost entirely of entries constructed with templates. I suggest we improve on the frWP solution by making each Reference page also function as a citation template, and

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that will convert an ISBN number into a properly formatted citation template that includes the book author, title and publisher, if all the lookups succeed. It also converts a Pubmed ID into a citation template for a journal reference. For me, this tool provides a good reason to include Pubmed IDs as

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That might be because the image is on Commons. Find an image that's on Knowledge (XXG) and try again, remembering that the default search excludes the image namespace. For example "AmiiStewartGreatest" finds the article that image is in. Include the image namespace, and the image comes up as well. I

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The only solution I can think of is to keep an eye on the categories that an article is placed in when a certain cleanup template is added. This doesn't generate separate do-to lists, but it is a simple way to do it. Having said that, not all maintenance templates are very good in categorisation: an

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I like the above template idea. The more flexible the underlying storage system is, the more flexible the admissible {{REF|...}} templates proposed above can be (and hence the less repelling it is for editors to add a reference). A template of the kind {{REF|Bloch, Freiheit und Ordnung}} which would

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A word on the french system: I believe it is unusable when it comes to bigger amount of data (with my excuses to the creators of this system). In order to compare the situations between fr.wp and en.wp, one should notice that the French WP does not have parallels of {{cite journal}} or {{citation}},

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mitochondri -- so only the precise word form "mitochondria" contributes to relevance. And we don't use backlinks or popularity-based ranking. For each of these features, software development is the bottleneck, we can probably afford the necessary servers. Google, after all, has to search the whole

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For the record, I don't see how a statement that non-crat-involved topics shouldn't go on the bureaucrat noticeboard is particularly elitist. Really, anything that doesn't pertain to current and proposed adminship promotion systems, renaming policies or methods, or bot bits doesn't need to be here

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into the search box, and either get a page with a complete citation, or a page with a preformated but blank (except URL) citation template that could be filled out, then copied and pasted. A bot could monitor new edits, and when it saw a citation added to an article, could create a new page in the

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Please can we start a developers' noticeboard? I think there are many people who prefer the static nature of wiki talk pages rather than the horribly transient nature of IRC. OK, it probably should be in a MediaWiki domain rather than Knowledge (XXG) but we should note its existence and provide a

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Hello. I was wondering if there is anyone out there who knows how to add in an image resizing option into Template:Infobox Mountain. The current template forces image size, which is fine for horizontally aligned images, but inflates vertically aligned images too much. Its parent, Template:Geobox,

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That's a poor judgement call. Anexo namespace has also encyclopedic content. Interwikis serve a function to help locating same information across languages. If the corresponding information from here is located in a new "non-discussion" namespace at other wikis, the interwiki must be preserved in

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article into two different ones, and considering the original had 214 references reviewed and kept up to date for over 100 games (each with its own article), it would make life (and ours in particular) much, much easier. And if you add a "What links here" function to every citation, it would make

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At least half of references are journals (I can speak only for the math articles: some 2.600 reference items in zeteo are journal papers, about 1.600 have ISBNs, so the status of the remaining 1.100 is hard to decide with a single SQL query). I guess, books are in general more often in several WP

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Any other reference obviously fits into the database, too. This may be a stupid question: is there a commonly used unique ID for papers in journals? (comparable to the ISBN vis à vis books). I could think of glueing together ISSN, issue and volume, but I'm not very much into these bibliographical

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Diberri's system and the Pubmed system are 'bidirectional', in the sense that they use an ID number that is actually included in the Knowledge (XXG) citation. Jakob's tool is bidirectional for books (since it can look up ISBNs) but not for journal articles, since it doesn't give you a clickable

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First, Knowledge (XXG)'s task is not to search, but to allow editing pages. Second, we are used to excellent search engines, so any improvement that can be done here won't be enough. And third, Knowledge (XXG) has 100 servers, Google has 15-100x that amount. Just use Google to search Knowledge

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Works that are rarely referenced are not the target audience, and editors which dont regularly use the same work are unlikely to create these Reference pages. The management of this namespace would have similar restrictions to the Template namespace. e.g. a reference only used on one page is

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Not really answering your technical question, but the critical thing for improper images is to get them out of articles, so that (a) readers don't see them) and (b) all of the Knowledge (XXG) mirrors don't copy them to those other websites. That takes care of the copyright concerns. --

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If you want I can make zeteo (optionally) generating a source code for such a template which would then only have to be pasted to a template subpage. For example, "The value of science" is quoted some 20 times in math articles. The user could save that a template with a certain name

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Actually there is a very nice search engine. It is just that the more advanced features are disabled due to the amount of resources they use. In short, we are using our servers to keep the encyclopedia going and running an advanced search engine can be very resource intensive.

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where a list article about video games had 214 references, some of them being shared with the articles on the individual games. I assume that each reference would be used at most twice (once in the article for the game, and once in the List article summarizing all the games).

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of browsing through articles and then adding articles with issues as you come across them. It'd be great if there was a way to automatically generate to-do lists from a list of related articles, such as those in a certain WikiProject. Hope that makes sense! Thanks in advance,

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On my private wiki, I used a "Reference:" namespace to collect citations and then just transclude from there, i.e. {{Reference:Taylor et al. 2005}}. We could plausibly do something similar, though we'd probably have to come up with a better naming scheme to avoid conflicts.

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is any indication, will not be available for at least another year, and will depends on programmers to develop solutions to deal with the many complications of addressing works. It also depends on importing from external databases, many of which are non-free (isbndb, oclc,

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If these templates are generated manually, the result will be a mess, because every editor will choose his favourite scheme of encoding author's name, title, possibly journal etc. into a unique identifier. If editors are restricted to use a certain encoding scheme like

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namespace would be even better - not only could the citation info be populated automatically (say, from the Library of Congress database), but editors could post that they owned the book and could assist other editors interested in getting info from that book. --

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pool of data. Only a database in a more proper sense of the word can accomplish this. Issues like discussing an item's correctness, grouping together translations and several editions of a work are definitely necessary (and not yet proposed by z.), I agree.

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also produces WP citation templates but as a search result. So you do a Google Scholar search, find the paper you want, and click on a special link to generate the citation template. (This is different from saving all the citations in a central database a la

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Unlike body text, the rendered math foreground color will not change along with system or browser preferences (such as someone with poor vision might choose to improve high-contrast legibility). If the selected colors use a dark background, the text will be

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website at my personal cost, but at the moment there is pretty little traffic. So, there are no a priori obstacles in extending the usage to non-mathematical stuff. It was a somewhat tedious work to feed the existing templates into the database (see also

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The Cite extension is enhanced to support automatically fetching bibliographic header information when only a key (i.e. ISBN number) is provided to the Cite reference tag. The imported bibliographic data replaces the key within the article wiki-text

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would be as simple as {{REF:Real Soldiers of Fortune (Davis, 1906)|chapter=3}} and the template could automatically display the correct chapter name. The template could also flag an error when called without a chapter within the appropriate range.

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has a mere 40M words. EN is now somewhere around 800M, so yes, enwiki would fill roughly 20 of your 20 volume encyclopedias. We have more articles and substantially more words per article. Where else would one devote 2300 words to

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And, at the risk of offering yet another option, it seems to me that Knowledge (XXG) - and the desirability of links to pages with advertising - have gotten so large that it shouldn't be that hard to persuade major newspapers to add

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Bear in mind most online encylopaedias are larger then their printed companions (if any exist). That might be why Encylopaedia Britannica online is 1 gb (if your figure is correct) whereas the printed version is only about 200 MB

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As an aside, anything in the MediaWiki domain is uneditable by anyone other than an administrator, making it a poor choice for a noticeboard location. The MediaWiki namespace is also reserved for system-level pages (such as

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articles. As I tried to show with the setup of zeteo, it is not only necessary to have structured information about books and journal papers, but also about journals (their ISSN, for example), publishers (location), authors.

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This seems like an interesting project to pursue. But where to get funding? Or: perhaps there are already mediawiki plugins that allow this? (Hmm, perhaps I could modify Omegawiki to cover this kind of thing... brrr....)

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I would think that it would be somewhat difficult, but a handy feature might be to add links to the other projects that input the current search terms (ie: when looking for "global warming", the heading on our search

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In other words, if I were to enter global warming in the search box at the left, click on the search button, could the search function be set up to show results from (for example) Wikinews as well as Knowledge (XXG)?

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RHaworth was the one that inquired about where this type of question should go above (this was posted at the same time). As a side note, the concerns brought up by the last bureaucrat were unfounded and elitist.

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for a book, and there is also supposed to be a lookup for journal articles. Of course there are also DOI links and JSTOR links that some online systems already understand. There is a list of existing tools at

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I see. Thanks for explaining that. Given how very often images from Commons are used on en.wiki, I think the en.wiki search engine ought to be able to search automatically on en.wiki as well as on Commons. -

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Bloch, Freiheit und Ordnung}} can be set up right now, uses PAGENAME as the unique identifier, and has the additional benefit of being "written" in a language that every Wikipedian understands and can modify.

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URL namespace if such a page didn't already exist. Or, when a naked URL was added to an article (no citation), and the page existed in URL namespace, the bot could replace the naked URL with a full citation.

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The recently introduced ability to protect titles even when there is no article is a very Good Thing. One small improvement is needed - a link to the log so we can see who did the protection. For example:

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and the overall referencing density also seems to be lower. Currently, citing journal articles is simply done there by hacking it into the articles, which is probably the least efficient/stringent method.

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We don't use Lucene's context highlighting, we use our own PHP code which dates back at least 5 years. Part of the problem with "mitochondria" is mis-stemming. We use Porter stemming, which according to

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Special:New pages gives only fifty pages by default. I thought it used to give 500. Has something changed, or was I confusing it with something else? Is there a way I can set it to give 500 every time?

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templates in a consistent manner. A namespace would allow people who often use the same reference material to streamline their editing, and would allow the bibliographic data to be mined more readily.

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Nothing stands in the way of any WikiProject that wants to go ahead and create either fixed or parametrized templates for commonly-used works. (No new software has to be written, just some templates).

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supposing 500 pages volumes, 2 columns per page, 300 rows per column, 40 characters per row, we have 12,000,000 characters per voume. 4 GB = 4,000,000,000 characters, i.e. 333 volumes, i.e. 30 feet:

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or other markup to their stories so that a browser (add-in) can immediately generate a proper citation. With that in place, it would only take a couple of clicks to have a footnote ready to go. --

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Thanks for all these very interesting informations. Would it be relevant then to have a more detailed presentation of the different tools and of their usefulness for dealing with citations? On the

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This would actually be quite easy for a bot, particularly since, given the overwhelming number of cleanup templates on articles, you don't need a list that is updated hourly. I suggest posting at

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and it opens up an editing screen for a journal reference to a mathematical paper by Vladimir Chernousov and Jean-Pierre Serre. In the box called 'citation' at the bottom of the screen there is a

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first (as it should be), and lists several of the most major topics immediately after. Knowledge (XXG) puts Mitochondrion 15 places down and starts with a rather obscure fiction reference.

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Developers aren't paid, and there are many things on the to-do list. Hopefully it will get done soon, but there's not much one can do about it unless they have some programming skills. --

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I think this has been discussed before, and I don't think there is a way to get that type of list of related pages. I could be wrong though. That would really be a useful tool though. -

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which is used in math articles, and can be invoked with specific chapter and page numbers, since different sections are cited in different articles. A redirect allows it to be accessed as

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I dont see how the increased size of the English Knowledge (XXG) makes the French facility any less viable. The problem domain remains the same; enWP is just a bigger implementation.

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Or differently put, the whole discussion raises the question, whether WP as it currently is, lacks the opportunity of providing structured information and what we can do about this.

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Yes, no contextual display of the search terms found in the articles. Also, I'm not sure about the searching syntax, and I'm not sure users less advanced than I could possibly be.

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thread), but if it is carried by several shoulders, should be feasible. The some 20.000 math articles (I think) contained some 5.000 reference templates (journals and books only).

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If I can do anything to help the wiki community with this task, I'm committed to it. As was mentioned above, zeteo is not at all limited to mathematics. I'm currently running the

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part of every journal reference when working on any biological article that is related to the PubMed domain. To see how this works, click on the PMID in the following reference:

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seems to fairly well watched by developers. There are also many people who aren't developers, or at least officially, that have the technical knowledge to answer inquiries.

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displayed a thumbnail of it when I hovered over the link. I copied the image url and noticed that some different thumbnail sizes of the image are actually still there. E.g.,

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is a very good tool to automatically convert Google scholar entries into Knowledge (XXG) citation entries but does there exist some way to just give an identifier (e.g. the

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currently in the namespace. In addition to time saving benefits for sourcing, the talk page will be used for transcriptions, translations, and requesting verification (see

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Nod. But I thought that, since all the sister projects share the various servers, this should be possible? (After all, universal sign-in should be coming any day now : ) -

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Is there a centralized bibliographic database for wikipedia? Is there a way to make citations just by giving an universal ID instead of copying a full citation template?

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The "Science Online" wiki has an enhanced citation system which allows citations to be defined globally, allowing bidirectional navigation of bibliographic data. See

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have specialised cite templates for many oft used reference works; all I am suggesting is that they could become a standard part of the new Reference: page design):

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reference ID number. If you are looking at a Knowledge (XXG) reference and want to know if it's recorded in his system, you need to do a lookup by author or title.

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The same reference could be repeated in that format on the page many times and the Cite engine will automatically match them up because the <ref: -->

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be. References should be added through an interface that's not part of the article source code at all. (And so should categories, interwikis, etc.) —

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which would allow to give just a reference identifier in an article and that the corresponding reference in the global database is automatically used.

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interwiki links to those lists. To me this "not a main namespace" argument looks like a formality in this case, any other opinions? See discussion at

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The code   has recently been added to the resources below the edit box, in the section "Wiki markup", just between #REDIRECT ] and <s: -->

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Is there a database which collects all {{citation}} used in wikipedia so that we can reuse the references that are already registered from there?

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A Reference namespace allows a higher level citation specification language to be developed by the community, to reside on top of the existing

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Given all that, this seems to be the sort of thing where a bit of an organized effort is needed. There are three sort-of-related Wikiprojects:

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It is interesting to reflect on how reference templates might be parametrized, and how many different places a given template might be used.

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A couple of comments; first the current referencing model makes some wikisource almost unreadable, secondly many books have multiple ISBNs.

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Many thanks for the speedy replies, everyone. I've brought it up on the bot requests page, would be great if it's possible! Thanks again,

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Doesn't happen under Windows, so I guess it is just my configuration. Unless it is for Linux too (nobody with Linux to try that out?) --

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Weird, I see nothing suspicious on the HTML code, that's probably a bug either in the Linux version of Fx, or your Desktop Manager. --

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majority of reference items does not occur more than once (in numbers, always referring to the math articles, which were pulled out by

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is the wiki-style structured database Extension that provides the desired functionality inside MediaWiki, and it is moving ahead, with

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So if the SICI were able to be copied and pasted from articles (easily), that would go a long way to automating citation information.

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I've seen it too. Somehow it won't parse the table code. I could turn it into HTML... that should at least fix the problem for now.

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Apparently it is a Firefox under Linux, unless someone using Gentoo or another distro can confirm it is not happening to them. --

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We want/need to handle an eventually huge amount of bibliographic information. Therefore it is, I'm convinced, critical to have a

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I'm with a group of editors who are currently interested in the hard space: its markup and its uses in editing. Some questions:

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for some reactions that other editors have given to his scheme. Nothing limits the use of his tool to the mathematical domain.

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I am running Ubuntu Feisty with Firefox 2.0.0.11 installed, and the diff linked to in the OP here appears just fine. --

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Is there a quick and easy way of working out the head count of admins in the support and oppose sections of the poll at

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You want to know the totals for just the admins, right? Don't think there is a way to do that, other than manually. -

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Just the fact of being able to point to a citation would be so dang useful in so many levels. We have just divided the

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included only a very carefully chosen 1964 articles out of the 2 million in the encyclopaedia, and as a result, the

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I'm on Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon / Firefox/2.0.0.11 at the moment, and I see the same view as the screenshot above. --

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the inbuilt assumptions that can be made in the case of that work. The following could all work (note that we

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I would (and I may still), but my experience with Bugzilla so far has been to be pretty much ignored. I filed

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is invoked from 14 articles but expands to different things, sometimes to two different things in one article.

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Bloch, Freiheit und Ordnung}} requires a MediaWiki Extension that does not exist and, if the slow progress of

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It is important not to loose sight of the problem: making it easier to regularly cite the commonly used works.

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If clicked while the cursor is in the edit box, it inserts the html character code  , the code for a

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Being it just text (no images, no history, no comments, just data), we can suppose a 10:1 compression ratio.

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I did some investigations to see if porting wikipedia to mobile device is possible, and I found incredible,

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I think we should follow the French approach and create a "Reference" namespace. Here is another example:

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Happening in Linux Ubuntu 2.0.0.11. I am putting an image here. I have never had this problem before. --

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tried partial strings, and they didn't work, so that might be a weakness (but in some ways a good one).

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In attempting to port Knowledge (XXG) to a portable device, remember that most of it can be dumped. See

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is there a commonly used unique ID for papers in journals? (comparable to the ISBN vis à vis books).

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In some browsers, transparent images print with a black background, making the math text illegible.

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essential function! Other people out there MUST agree that this is a serious and fixable issue.

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Well, if you think this is a good way, go ahead. Perhaps have a talk with the French users. I've

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point to an engine looking up works by an author called Bloch and title F.u.O., thus retrieving

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Pending someone pointing me to the developers' noticeboard (see above), I am posting this here.

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looks quite good. My only reservation is that it uses a duplicated set of tags: <cite: -->

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is invoked from 89 articles but without parameters, so it always expands to the same thing.

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There is a database that some editors in the mathematics project use. It is maintained by

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Happens to me on Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon running Firefox 2.0.0.11, just like the screenshot.

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template for that reference that is ready to cut and paste into an article. Scan through

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Is it possible to set up such a database inside WP (as opposed to an external website)?

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I was wondering if it's "possible" to have search results for more than one project.

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Carrington J, Ambros V (2003). "Role of microRNAs in plant and animal development".

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diff? Maybe the Unicode and ASCII mixture makes the red word appear overlapped? --

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Spanish Knowledge (XXG) decided to create a new namespace for Lists. So bot is now

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That's obviously not true. There's something terribily wrong in wikipedia dumps.

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I see nothing wrong in Internet Explorer 7.0. It sounds like a browser problem.

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page there is only a list of them but no explanation on their recommended use.

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That may be a bit more than I need right now, but I'll keep it in mind! Thanks

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things. But actually, perhaps it would be even better to have something like

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Thank you, I had not noticed. But I would still like a "view logs" link. --

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For those who hadn't seen this yet. An example of how this looks is visible

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is particularly interesting: an early step in the implementation process is

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Thank you for your comments. It would be nice to have some of these things

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Doesn't happen on Macintosh either with Safari 3.0.4 or Firefox 2.0.0.11.

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allows for a resizing option. I've brought this to the talk page for the

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and it might just be (otherwise the devs probably won't know about it).

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a 20-volumes encyclopedia would require around 200 MB (without images).

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was generated for a given reverence and optionally display the template

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As far as WikiProjects using reference templates goes, have a look at

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5000? Sweet. Why don't they have an 'enter a number' feature, then?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Newpages&limit=500

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Try searching by image title — you can't. For example, a search for

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and closed as WONTFIX for several years due to the reasons above. --

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templates. By creating one of those, whatlinkshere will work. see

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by adding an alias from REF to Reference. For example, referencing

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only to one (who was not exactly in favor of it). As an aside: the

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Such a mechanism is mentioned in a collection of related items in

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Actually, you are looking at a broken dump. Current EN articles

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OK, I found the work around, but this all is very confusing. --

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high schools that nobody who didn't go to them would care about

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Any authoritative information on these will be of great value.

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m:Help talk:Displaying a formula#Maynard Handley's suggestions

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Clicking the "unprotect" tab will show you who protected it.

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Ah, upon re-reading the statement, I believe you're correct.

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making it uneditable by section. Can someone take a look? --

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a new thread or use the talk page associated with that topic.

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Our search engine is great for text search (after all, it's

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This page contains discussions that have been archived from

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I see no problem with either IE 6.0 or Firefox 2.0.0.11 --

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has other referencing extensions that may be of interest.

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http://www.scionline.org/index.php/Special:ReferenceBrowser

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produces no results, completely missing the existence of

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templates; these "Reference" templates would call those

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commons:Image:Size_of_English_Wikipedia_broken_down.png

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It's possible, but we don't do it for two big reasons:

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Could someone with bugzilla experience please do this?

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I saw an image in the log that was deleted last week (

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Well for one thing, the summaries are poor: Compare

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italian printed wikipedia requires a 30 feet shelf?!?

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produce images with transparent backgrounds instead?

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Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Greenwood&Earnshaw

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web, we only have to search a tiny corner of it. --

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does work - it is just that there is no link to it!)

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When I first saw Jakob's proposal it reminded me of

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