484:, are a good case in point. The statement that sibling projects "have not attracted the fairly large and talented population of computer science and engineering trained editors that frequent the hallowed digital halls of Knowledge (XXG) and Meta-wiki" is arrogant, offensive to those editors who work on those projects, and downright wrong. I've yet to see any positive benefit for any sibling project to come from this project; and the breakage of several templates on Wiktionary caused by this project and the addition of useless and incorrect templates to Wikinews is evidence that this project is not actually the work of a "population of computer science and engineering trained editors" at all. I strongly recommend that this project be wholly disbanded.
743:, no matter how good. The different sister projects have their own unique society and cultures. (some garbled sentences follow) In general, the template should be fully prepared interwiki message compatibility and proper auto-categorization within the categories maintained by this project. A notification of suggested importation, or for such sister's as choose to implement a 30 day trial and speedy-delete criteria, a delivery then such a post should be made on the communities general discussion page (Many use Village Pump, some few have different names making it hard to not check their Help pages to know where to go.)
765:(not that any of these were actually templates, they were more time savers in an extremly complicated system that didn't really do anything useful unless you're at the english wikipedia. Remember back in the day when a template was a template?) be copied to wikinews. Also it has come to my attention that several of these templates were also deleted on September 10, 2006 as being useless and were since recreated and now are being deleted again. Last time I checked recreating deleted content was a big no no and could land you in quite a bit of trouble, so please make sure these don't
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score, just putting the basic system in place. YOU and others deleted that. Big deal.) and when they were TFD'd, I did a belated defense and stopped (As I tried to point out, t'was done anyway). Don't make it out like TOOLS TEMPLATES are bad things or unsavory, or I was forcing things down people's throats... At best you look ridiculous and just mean the individual tagging templates
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amount of clutter on the page, it would also remove any issues with categories being named differently as the interlanguage links deal with this as a routine matter. Additionally, there are a number of bots that would be able to propagate these interwiki links (i.e. you'd add one set of links on, say, Knowledge (XXG), and a bot could propagate them to all of the other sites).
210:... or am I misunderstanding what you're doing? The above works nicely if you're just linking similar templates together, and even if you're making sure that they have similar functionality. However, if you're making sure that all of the templates _are exactly the same_, it's not so good. In this case, a system like that used at
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That those sisters rejected an very crude and early version of the effort is essentially irrelevant the way the whole has evolved, and the local cultures in the three (wiktionary, wikisource and wikiquote) are essentially anti-template in any case. That we learned not to use some formating templates
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Gee Uncle G, can you come up with a 'error' more recent than last
September when the concept itself was in a very early trial state (or I was pretty much brand new at template coding, for all that!)? Sister's are more or less capable of deciding whether they want the same tools as anyone else so we
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Thanks for the FYI. What other
English sister projects are using coord type links, and what sort of international participation do you have with other language wiki's? If a template is used on other sister's, we're glad to cover it, but if it's entirely en.wikipedia, the most we can do is file and
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It seems to me that you're going about interwiki-linking to the other wikimedia sites in an overly complex way. Wouldn't something along the same style as the inter-language wikipedia links (i.e. in the bar on the left of the page) be far better, and much more elegant? Not only would it reduce the
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making this false charge. Yes they were TFD'd while I was away last fall, as they were on
Wiktionary. Yes I put a few back when the development was renewed upon my return in Jan-Feb... which is basically a blind spamming operation, and I frankly DIDN'T notice they were missing (I wasn't keeping
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people know me and so this is where it began. Like David Kernow, RL called (demanded!) and I went wiki-missing much of last fall, and was busy with mediation stuff when I first returned to having regular time for wiki's, then iterwikitmp-grp hit Tfd... so that boot in the rear restarted things.
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The efforts of this project have been soundly rejected by at least two
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Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on
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templates, without a discussion with the community, nobody is going to use them. Use some common sense, please. If a project rejects this project, accept it and move on. You were BOLD in introducing it, but we were also BOLD in rejecting it. --
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use in a preview screen or talk page to access and check other information, links and so forth as an aid to discussion (Gee- just like those used here in this discussion--imagine using something unuseful to be CLEAR! HARUMPH!!! <G:
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I'd really rather be working on categorization between here and the commons! Sigh... life is not a selection of first choices, most of the time we're lucky to be able to get one selection in our top fifteen!
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636:(I'll fix up the 'arrogance' in that statement, though--work on that page has been tardy--and at the time I wrote it several new sisters were looking for template programming expertise.)
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844:! Note that this is an opt-in program; no WikiProject will be required to change anything against its wishes. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you!
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