554:). So, on reflection, perhaps we should make either of these styles (A$ or AUD) acceptable. (its the other variants such as AU$ and AUD$ that I have a problem with). I have a suspicion that the origin of "AU$ " in Knowledge (XXG) is rooted in a misguided effort to be consistent with "US$ " — "US" of course is an abbreviation for 2 words whereas Australia is just 1 word. That abbreviation still doesn't equate to vernacular use to my knowledge.
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The proposed currency section is updated for further review. From the above discussion, it seems A$ has some presence and support; AU$ isn't moving forward; AUD is international standard (ISO 4217). With respect to AussieLegend's support for AUD$ , perhaps A$ will serve the purpose of representing
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Agreed. This project has decided that A$ 99 is the preferred format. AUD should only be used in the unusual case that an article deals with all currencies in ISO 4217 format (maybe articles on international currencies), which would ignore any local conventions anyway. So, our project should state
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Australian practice is the same as MOS. Large numbers are grouped in 3's and 4 digit numbers may or may have a comma. Can't see any reason to make it specific. Since both forms (comma or no comma) are allowed, the editor that is changing them to the other form is in the wrong.
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Australian time zones. For events which apply across time zones, does Australia practice a preferred time zone e.g. is AEST/AEDT considered a common reference time?
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I think that use of AUD$ is likely to be less problematic than AUD. AUD3.50 doesn't look right and I suspect most editors will use the dollar sign because of this. It certainly seems to be the case in the articles I've looked at.
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and has as far as I can see never been challenged. That does surprise me and makes me wonder if I'm not talking shite. (That currency policy was merged into MOSNUM at a later date).
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only that A$ 99 is the preferred format and that all other forms (possibly with some examples of bad formats) should not be used. Note that the
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Oops, I complained too early before you did another round of edits - all is as you promised. Many thanks.
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