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The article should be primarily about the history of the surviving company, even though it may have assumed a predecessor's name (for example the article on Bank of America is primarily about Nations Bank with references and links to an article about the legacy BankAmerica). Larger corporations that have wholly owned subsidiaries can be represented by one or more articles; for instance, such subsidiaries might each warrant separate articles, but they should be clearly connected to the parent company. Each article should have a section discussing the company's business model, which is intimately tied to how a company is put together and is one of the major factors usually shaping a company's history. It is not uncommon for the business model to change over time, but major changes can entail a change to the corporate identity. For publicly-held companies, a long term stock history (ideally a total shareholder return line including dividends), possibly shown relative to the industry benchmark appropriate to the company's line of business, would not be out of place. Management philosophy, vision, and values are also a major element of corporations and their behaviour which often go under-reported during mergers and acquisitions and can provide insight into what actually happened as opposed to what the corporate partners have publicly described as having happened. Lists in an article of current and former directors and executives of a company are desirable. A corporate governance section may be ideally suited to group this information.
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GM workers $ 200/hour (with perks, retirement, etc.) it would normally be "good" business to transfer some/most of these jobs elsewhere where costs might be less. That is, company management that moves these jobs would normally be considered "prudent" rather than "morally defective." It is financially imprudent to overpay for goods or services. A company that does that consistently is going to become bankrupt, as indeed, GM did.
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An article should be about a company and its predecessors, the names of which may have changed due to mergers, acquisitions, de-mergers, legal challenges, etc. For public companies in the United States, the authoritative reference for such changes is the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).
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I look forward to contributing. In the meantime I deleted the section "Format/Content Guidelines" since we are still discussing what has to be included in there, and it currently contains the following template only ({{Knowledge:Companies, corporations and economic information}}): a mere duplicate of
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I just went to our project page, and clicked on "C" companies, that were rated "Low" importance. Then I clicked on Filter by Category, and I put in the category: Companies listed on the New York Stock Exchange - I did this so we could have more data on a company it being public and having access to
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I'd like to move on getting these guidelines "published". I think the first step would be to do a pilot and rearrange an article that none of us have ever edited before, and one that doesn't appear to have a lot of traffic and update the article in accordance with the proposed structural guidelines.
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Just noticed "job losses" above. While this may be considered "social harm" it sounds pov in a business environment. Normally a company decreases jobs to ensure that the company turn a profit. It may have occurred from mismanagement, or, more likely, from the market changing. In a real world, paying
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and 2) Who wants to keep up with checking to see if the grade has changed :) My proposal is that we should allow/require the BBB "link" in the External Links section so a reader interested in the BBB score of that company (and they can see complaint breakdowns) would be able to get to that quickly
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recommends that "controversy" should be "folded into the narrative" rather on than isolated. On this basis I suggest a common content template something like the following. Actual titles might need to be adjusted to suit the article (eg the term "Corporate" may not be applicable). Sub-headings would
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Further insight for a possible structure comes from various business intelligent reports. These typically provide some brief history, key personel, financial data, product categories, and competitors. Other sources, such as the well-regarded multi-volume International Directory of Company Histories
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Articles about companies in Knowledge are generally fairly shallow. The aim of this Project is to enhance the depth of company descriptions, including the placement of their activities and product developments in context, thereby providing connections between things and their origins that we often
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history might be of more value; also other parameters: return on equity (a measure of management aptitude) and return on inventory (where applicable, a measure of management aptitude); Value Line publishes an "earnings predictability" which I take as a measure of company hype/honesty/ability. Also
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I think BBB/D&B etc in external links would be appropriate. Student7 - thanks for the input. This project has been a bit dead, hopefully we can revive it as a part of the Business & Economics project, and point more people to it for Companies issues. I'm going to be travelling for the next
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Besides the letter grade in question, I would think the customer complaint summary, in which you can get more detailed info, and the other additional information sections are useful for someone to explore given that this would be listed under "External Links". I'll emphasize again, that I don't
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This is a draft set of guidelines for best-practice in the composition of articles about companies and corporations. Articles can be about any type of company: public, private, quasi-governmental. A source of systematic bias in Knowledge is the greater availability of information on publicly held
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I've been looking into the issue of content guidelines for company articles. One of the "problems" is that broadbased traditional encyclopedias, such as Brittanica, have quite small coverage of companies so it's difficult to judge what should be considered "encyclopedic". Take for example the EB
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I think a suggested "template"/guideline for company articles in this project are needed and long overdue. Your suggested headers/sub-headers are a good recommended start. Incorporation locations probably should be in the Corp Structure section. Since companies exist because of a product or
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To recap the discussion over at USAA so we can discuss the policy here, the argument for inclusion of a competitors section is "Except for financial figures, it has to be one of the most important things about a business. Probably more important than who the officers are, for example" and the
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I have posted a recent debate on the arguments of inclusion/exclusion of stock price movements reported in the news over on the content noticeboard. Since this a public company issue, and falls squarely within the scope of this project, I would appreciate any and all commentary over on that
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The review reveals no "standard" approach to companies articles apart from the commonly used company template, however a range of themes do arise, though actually headings differ. I've summarised these below, with examples of headings used in various Knowledge articles.
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Previous material in this section moved to Talk-page The primary template in use on individual company articles is {{Infobox company}}, with 44,620 uses as of Sepember 10, 2012. The template R from predecessor company name was created in May 2013.
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forget or overlook. In addition, this Project aims to provide guidelines for "standard minimum information" best included with each company-related article, which has manifested to date in the form of an infobox (see Template section below).
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Well, in my view company articles in Knowledge are haphazardly written and structured at present, so just because they don't have something doesn't mean they shouldn't. Clearly the information is available in RS sources, so if someone really
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a discussion about long-term stock histories. Does anyone have a good example article in which these long-term stock histories would be useful? I did a quick search on Yahoo Finance tool on Yahoo itself, to get this max history chart:
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should the magnitude used in infobox be consistent across all field of financial information? i.e., if revenues are US$ 5.2 Billion, should we show net income as US$ 0.1 Billion, or US$ 101.3 Million? I'd vote for the former.
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have, not surprisingly, extensive chronological histories of the companies, and some summaries of current financial data, number of employees, subsidiaries. "Controversial" issues are rolled in to the chronologies. (eg Wal-Mart
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I don't think we need to bother with Sandboxing, since the suggested structure isn't outside any WP policies. Then based on feedback of the new article layout, we can pursue publishing these guidelines for this project.
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Most corporate directories, company history type publications do tend to provide this information, so it's something available in RS/V sources. I vote we include it as a subsection of the products/services/brands area.
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article as a pilot for these changes? It's been about a month since I suggested we use that article as our guinea pig, but it may have been lost in the other discussions. Trying to keep the ball rolling forward!
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The BBB is vastly overrated. Tends to be anti-small business, anti-out of area businesses and sometimes anti-fraud, but the state is much more active nowdays in pursuing fraud in US, and, anyway, is US-centric.
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When citing from the web a company's report, we face two alternatives for the date field: the reporting period discussed by the report, or the date of the publication of the report. For example, in the case of
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made good suggestions, and I wonder if they still believe these suggestions would be useful? I would be interested in picking up where they left off and defining a set of good practices for company articles.
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To get some perspective on what's been happening on Knowledge, I've reviewed a range of articles, trying to look at a range of company types and home countries. Some of the WP articles reviewed include -
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Ideally someone could collate the data, put it in a copyright free graph and then update it regularly :). Since I doubt that's going to happen, an external link to Stock History sounds appropriate. --
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Likewise: "Corporate Social Responsibility: philanthropy, environment" should also be the section to include "corporate irresponsibility", such as harm to the environment, job losses, etc.
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Just looking around for support for a deleted section which contained "competitors" (referenced). Finally managed to find this discussion (not easy, BTW). So, yes, an upgrade is long overdue!
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I might propose that companies do not have a nationality, but rather have a headquarters location and a distribution of revenue, offices, employees acrosss 1 or more countries.
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rather than searching manually. If there are other sources that would be worth including, they should be allowed/required as well (especially in areas not covered by BBB).
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Yes - a benefit of the structure proposals is that job losses and recruitment in a CSR or History section will be more balanced than a Criticism or Controversy section. --
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At the moment no, because the latter does not exist. If you feel it should be renamed, that would need to first go through CfD, then the guideline updated accordingly. --
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Another suggestion - Since these are all companies, if they are covered in the U.S. like the Better Business Bureau, that should be one of the recommended (and allowed)
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provides a well thought out framework for the structure of leads in articles. It emphasizes the importance of citing notability, which changes my thinking on using
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agree that the BBB "score" needs to ever be in a WP article for the reasons I mentioned previously, and perhaps more-so with the scrutiny of the above news links.
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Actually that was a typo, should have just been "locations" under operations. I've corrected that and moved Products as you suggest, and with which I agree. --
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which has relevance here. I asked about layout for articles relating to automobile manufacturers. These fall within the scope of this project as well as
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about listing competitors. I agree this is important information and would recommend inclusion in the guidelines in the "Business Operations" section.
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This WikiProject has set up some inclusion guidelines about companies, corporations, products, and services at Notability and inclusion guidelines.
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Sounds reasonable. I think since that is an overall section, we could subsection it into Awards/Recognition, Lawsuits/Legal/Fines/Sanctions, etc?
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Excellent articles, and it appears the controversy is over the letter grade vs. their prior pass/fail-type method. Since we recently spoke about
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It looks like the few there were all created by a single user without discussion nor consensus. They should probably be CfDed or a merge done. --
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After a very good discussion five years ago, the effort to standardize or promulgate a standardization for companies seems to have tailed off.
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with a view to agreeing which project should take precedence in determining the layout guideliness (if they are even considered necessary). --
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On this same train of thought, it also might be worth listing links of other research-related business tools like their D&B listing etc?
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In some articles "Reception" has been used as a section to hold both positive and negative views. It could have awards and fines, etc.
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I don't have expertise in business but this template appears to be comprehensive, and would be very useful. Thanks for notifying me.
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I'd like to gain experience editing/structuring business articles. Do you have a suggestion for a low-traffic article to work on?
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Lead sentences are inconsistently conceived, sometimes contradictory, and rarely sufficient succinct or broad. Some examples:
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worth considering some standards for "external links". I'll check that on various companies articles when I get a chance. --
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to push it's inclusion, I don't think there's any legitimate reason they couldn't. I certainly think it has a place.--
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Not sure I agree with that. It's (a) US-centric and (b) BBB has had their own issues. Worth considering though. Also
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I am going to continuing editing company articles for a bit and then return here to make additional proposals.
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and rewrite the guidelines incorporating the info discussed here. Please encourage others to contribute here!
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Given the recent scandals involving the BBB, It would seem ill-advised to make BBB link a standard feature.
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service, I might also suggest moving Products/Services/Brands between corporate structure and Business Ops.
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Let me rethink Cemex- a lot of their RS are written in Spanish, and may be a challenge on English WP.
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business has competitors, yet very few Knowledge pages about businesses have a competitors section"
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http://www.bbb.org/central-texas/business-reviews/insurance-companies/usaa-in-san-antonio-tx-23452
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should Million and Billion be capitalized in the infobox description of company's financial data?
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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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Good point - Need to find a "home" for those areas, without creating a separate criticism area.
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Furthermore, I could not find the following sections I retrieved from the wayback machine -
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For handling negative numbers, there is some discussion at the company Infobox talk page,
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To attract more attention to a discussion here, it is recommended to leave a message at
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argument against is "Knowledge is not a business analysis site. It is an encyclopedia.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/business-bureau-best-ratings-money-buy/story?id=12123843
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companies in the United States versus other types and nationalities of companies.
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Guidelines and how they extend to articles within the scope of multiple projects.
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Why not simply "Employment" or "Employment history." These are neutral terms.
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I'm not suggesting we put the BBB "score" anywhere in the article - 1) it's
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Should defunct companies still have the category ]. Wouldn't ] be better?
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Thanks. I'll take a look at it tomorrow or next time I get back.
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locations, corporate culture, business model, sales figures
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Knowledge talk:WikiProject Companies
Knowledge talk:WikiProject Companies
content assessment
WikiProjects
WikiProject icon
Companies
WikiProject icon
Companies portal
WikiProject Companies
companies
the discussion

Article requests
Knowledge:Requested articles/Business and economics/Companies
Assess
Category:Unassessed company articles
Copyedit
Category:Company articles needing attention
Infobox
Category:Company articles needing infoboxes
Maintain
Portal:Companies
Stubs
Category:Company stubs
portal
WikiProject Companies
requests for comments
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