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Wonders, Cats cap phenomenal season with a crown. So it would seem annotation and bibliography line up with that and should reflect such. I am in no way trying to cause an edit war. This is the only time I have ever even entered anything on WP and I only did it because it is something I care about and was incorrect and I thought I would correct it. Sorry to have caused such a problem. I love WP and look something up on here at least once a day, it is truly a wonderful resource and as a historian I wanted my Cats page to be correct. Besides isn't it in poor form to give yourself the nickname you want rather than the one you are given? Just having some fun with it all there.
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the other, but I lost track of which, since the edit war continued without changing the cite. I searched
Newsbank, which includes archives of the LHL, and found no instances of either "8th Wonders" or "Eighth Wonders", and the only reference to "Undeniables" in 2012 was in a letter to the editor. I'm not saying the citation is bogus, but it needs more information (article title, author, etc.) to be useful. I'm about to semi-protect this page and probably leave an in-line comment directing editors to this discussion. Let's get something cited to a reliable source. If we can't find one either way, I'd favor nixing the whole paragraph to continuing this edit war.
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Jbfwildcat has suggested a few above, although they are inadequately documented as well.) If the Herald-Leader printed "8th Wonders" (as you say) and the Courier-Journal printed "Undeniables" (as Jbfwildcat seems to imply), then we have reliable sources supporting both names, and both should be included in the article.
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Kentucky Sports Report and The Cat's Pause message boards. Most UK fans on the internet(and elsewhere) are VERY familiar with "The List", and refer to it as such. The fact that you have never heard of it referred this way this merely illustrates the point that you are not a Kentucky fan, but merely someone who likes to nitpick and throw his power around. In short, I compiled it, update it, and I named it. It's my baby, and it's known as "The List". Clear?
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Louisville publications as authoritative sources for UK information? Does this mean I have an official green light to edit the Louisville page and add to it all my favorite Louisville commentary from the Herald Leader? Obviously the answer should be no. This article should stick with the Lexington Herald Leader, which is 100% 8th Wonders. Don't worry about what's said in newspapers that are devoted to other teams, those aren't very authoritative sources.
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Basketball, Rupp Arena, Memorial Coliseum, and Joe B. Hall. I am 100% correct on this subject, and I would appreciate if my edit would be allowed to remain permanent.
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Kentucky basketball deserves better than what is represented here. Problem is, I wouldn't know where to begin fixing it. I'm not sure every possible UK hoops statistic belongs on this page, but where would we draw the line? Or does everyone else think it's fine? Comments are welcome.
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the name "The List".) Fourth, Knowledge (XXG) is not a place for discussing whether or not someone is a fan (you have been warned about this before). Finally, you have been repeatedly encouraged to discuss this on the article's talk page and not to repeatedly re-add it with no discussion there. All
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Acdixon, I certainly didn't say I promised to change it every time I see it. I simply said that I do change it when I see it. The annotation references the Lexington Herald Leader on April 3, 2012. I have covered the entire paper and it does not mention Undeniables anywhere. But as I mentioned it
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I'll be blunt: this article is a complete mess. The formatting got jacked up on a previous edit, something I don't know how to fix. The multiple tables and statistics are all over the map (regular season, post season, chronologically, coaches, players, etc), and it just leaves me cross-eyed. The
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Acdixon, the annotated bibliography for this page is the Lexington Herald Leader for April, 3 2012. There is no reference to Undeniables anywhere in that paper. The front page of that paper on April 3, 2012 says "8th Wonders, Cats cap phenomenal season with crown." If the goal is for WP to be
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I don't see what you're referring to on the Kansas page, but I'll correct that error anywhere I find it (including this page) -- unless you have a link to the NCAA counting Sweet 16 appearances in the years before the Round of 16 existed. Thanks for your feedback here.
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The Marti Gras Miracle (1994) - this should be a sourced expression at the very least. This is a problem throughout, where expressions are used to describe teams, seasons and events without any sourcing.
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