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Turkish name and, possibly, wrote it in some language using the Cyrillic alphabet. But since the Turkish name and the Greek name have the same meaning, we do not know which name predates which. Maybe Badem chifkik was at some time known through the (Greek) demotike equivalent of Amygdaleonas.
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Eklekton, Araplion. The Arapli is Turkish and a rough translation would be the village of the Arab(s). Eklekton is a renaming but Araplion is essentially the same name augmented with an ending (on, an ending favored by katharevousa) that makes it sound official. I suspect that it
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6) Tuzla versus Touzla. Here is another example of transcription. The names are phonetically identical and both derived from the
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Chiflik (or Bademli Chiflik) versus Amygdaleonas. Badem chifkik and Bademli Chiflik are Turkish names that literally mean the almond farm. Amygdaleonas means exactly the same in Greek (katharevousa). In what way was the name Badem chiflik Slavic? At the very best the Slavic population of
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Chiflik, Star Chiflik versus Palaion Tsiflikion. Paljo (demotike) or Palaion (katharevousa) mean old in Greek. Star=old in Slavic. Chiflik=farm in Turkish. All three names mean Old farm. But the use of both Paljo and Star in the Slavic names implies that Paljo chiflik probably predates
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The existence of this topic is misleading and unacceptable. E.g. Touzla is a fairly-recently built resort unrelated to any Tuzla in Asia Minor. How does it have a
Bulgarian name as it didn't even exist in 1913 or 1941-1944? If this topic does not exist for extremely irredentist propaganda purposes,
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In my opinion, the list as it is betrays laziness, ignorance, bad faith, or a combination thereof. Those informed (or even marginally informed such as I) will know better than take it seriously. But those thoroughly unfamiliar with the history of the area, with the claims and counterclaims, and
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First it notes (correctly) that there was an effort by the Greek
Government to rename villages so thatTurkish and/or Slavic names would no longer be used. Then it follows with a list of villages giving their Slavic and Greek names. Even when the content is technically accurate, the information
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3) Zhigos, Zigosh versus Zygos. The name has an unmistakable meaning in Greek. The Slavic name appears to be the transcription of the Greek name into a different alphabet. If so, in what way was the name Slavic and in what way it was changed? By being written in the Greek alphabet?
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1) Demotike: The language as spoken in the street. 2) Katharevousa that sought, as much as it could, to imitate the structures of ancient Greek and to return to the vocabulary of same. It was the official language and the language in which scientific texts would be written.
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I think that it is important to not forget the past and therefore I would like to see whatever information is present in this entry to be preserved. Nevertheless, in its present form the article is both confusing and misleading.
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1) Slavic name Bel Pesok versus Aspri Ammos. Both names mean white sand. The text does not tell us what (if any) the original name was or if both were used concurrently when the area was under the
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How on Earth the name of my village has a "former" bulgarian name since the only time that we had bulgarians was during the WWII occupation of Greece from
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