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The big change was progressive and systematically done by his followers to hide facts. the results of all the elections he fought was deleted. facts that Satpal & his brothers are not in talking terms and their legal battle and court verdicts were deleted. the person "Gyan.vashishtha" probably is
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I think Cagan says that the photos were maliciously distributed and actually showed his brother with his new bride. Citing the number of Indian
English speakers is a little obfuscatory, I think. If we are indeed writing for a wide cross section of religious and cultural values, we need to be careful
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Maharaj. There is mentioning that he lost election in 2004 whereas he did not fight any election in 2004 it was TPS Rawat who fought election in 2004
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So i have reedited the desaster to some former point in the history. This is not a place where you can replace content in a dictator like manner and declare the work that has been done as irrelevant just to promote the cult leader. So if you want to change something you have to talk about it, even
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Maharaj Ji was not an average 16 year-old. As an imperfect comparison, it would not be scandalous to find out that an average 80-year old man has had a wife and children, but it would be if that person is the Roman Catholic Pope. It's not really up for us to judge. Clearly, being photographed
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Another attempt for big deletion by 182.64.203.47. 182.64.203.47 did 9 unexplained deletions including section blanking. Looks like a follower of Satpal deleting references about his brother Prem Rawat. 182.64.203.47,this is not a place where you can replace content in a dictator like manner and
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Do you not see my point? We are using prim and proper Indian sensibilities to justify the word "scandalous" regarding the assension, then ridiculing the resultant deification (using these terms loosely) from a western viewpoint. The result is a rather sour article from anyone's point of view.
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I don't think the idea of a 16 year-old "kissing women in public" is at all scandalous to the western mind, and "getting drunk in public" is hard to prove without a breathalyser. That descriptor is clearly India. The word just seems unfairly harsh for an international encyclopedia.
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The subject is Indian. Of course we're using Indian sources. However I doubt that McKean is Indian. Nonetheless, McKean is a scholarly source and the best single one we have. "Scandalous" is exactly what she writes, so I think this is a fair and correct summary of the source.
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I am sharing correct & true information with
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Again following the style of the Prem Rawat article, I'd suggest it would be more appropriate to name the article "Satpal Rawat". It's his legal name and the one good recent source we have on him, McKean, calls him thus on page 54.
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Having looked carefully through the article, I have removed some of what you wanted removed, using edit summaries to describe why. It's usually best to make edits in small chunks with edit summaries rather than one big deletion.
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n addition to above if something wrong done by a person & who was associated by X, Will X will be held responsible for that what is the purpose of mentioning these in X person article, is not it defamatory content?
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As a member/Volunteer of Knowledge.org we should provide correct & authenticated details, sourcing from any website is not the right way of providing information. Details should have reference of Government sites.
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about ALL our value judgements. The section on the divine reverence in which the "holy family" is held is written from a resolutely Christian-western perspective which could be offensive to some Hindu-Indians.
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Let Me correct you that I am not IT manger with Satpal Maharaj organization. Me Working at BCH Electric Limited, New Delhi as Sr. Manager commercial & communication.
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