Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 47

3139:. There can be a many styles as wanted (groan), including ones the mimic the well know external (to Knowledge) styles. This is the major advantage of citation templates over hand-rolling citation. It would be quite easy to set the default to whatever was the most common style (at the moment CS1), but still allow the editors of the articles to override that style in an article by setting the mode parameter to something else. The point about the mode switch is it should mean that debates like the one initiated by Jc3s5h at the start of this thread become redundant. Also if there were more modes that mimicked styles like APA and CMS it might persuade of those who are anti-citation-templates to start using them, or at least not be so anti-templates. -- 926:. Whenever you add a link of this type you should look at where citeseerx found the paper (listed on citeseerx's metadata page for the paper) and make sure that it's either an open-access official publisher source, a properly licensed copy on a preprint server like arxiv or institutional repository, or a copy from the author's own web site. Copies that citeseerx grabbed from other sites, for instance on class reading lists of classes whose instructor is not an author, may meet the strict legal requirements for fair use on those sites but do not meet Knowledge's standards for when we allow links to fair-use copies of copyrighted material. — 4063:(11)" means probably is not looking into journal references in the first place. If someone lacking an "academic background" should follow a citation back to a journal source I think most people will quickly figure out the convention. If not, then they probably also lack understanding that "no." is an abbreviation for "number" (I was a little surprised to learn that–back in the 8th grade), which is the same as "issue number" or just "issue", and perhaps we should have such abbreviations wikilinked to an explanation. ♦ 3080:

periodical/edited-volume title. (This would be my logical preference, but it looks nothing like what the cite templates do, so I don't impose it.) And "accessed: date here, via Google Books" would be better, but I'm basing this off examples I encounter where GB is often mis-credited as the publisher, so I look up the real one and insert it in-place. Regardless, other than for abbreviations like initials and "pp.", there is no reason for a "." anywhere is this until the end.

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label-suppressing parameter. Easy fix. Next, being significant doesn't equate to "warrants bolding". If the "5 (11)" style is used, it seems to make sense to bold the volume there, and this style is seen in some off-site citation formats, but it is not the only style, and it's geeky, so why not just do "vol. 5, no. 11"? It's understandable to more people, is not confusing with either volume or issue don't apply, and there are no readers who prefer "

560:. They are intended for journal cites but I have successfully used them for book cites. They have a rigid syntax and only allow a limited character set which I believe allows the list to be parsed and separated for COinS metadata. This feature may be useful for committees and collaborations: "enclose corporate or institutional names in doubled parentheses". I have not used this but may give it a try on an article that I recently did maintenance. 31: 414:(and aliases) are discouraged because the values assigned to these parameters are not made part of the template's COinS metadata. COinS does not have list-of-names key/value pairs to match these parameters so cs1|2 would need to somehow decode the free-form list of names to extract the individual names from the list; an onerous task because our editors can be wildly inconsistent when it comes to writing lists of names. 3648:"I think that such markup should not be used in cs1|2 parameters whether those parameters are made part of COinS or not." Well, why? It's nice that we're supplying COinS for people who might use it, but the central purpose of our cites is for WP readers, so making the material accurate and readable for them is the no. 1 priority. I really don't like not being able to use 2649:

punctuation to use or the specific order of various bibliographic details within a full citation, or other such minor formatting issues. I do care quite strongly about short inline citation + alphabetical list of full references (aka. a bibliography), and that the two should be linked (or at least linkable). I also believe parentethical referencing (i.e. without

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has become conventional across many citation styles, e.g. Location: Publisher with a colon, and (YYYY) parenthesized dates. Close the entire thing with a period (full point). Taking this approach will obviate annoying typographical gaffes like "Something something. pp 12–34". And pointless "full-stopping" like a machine gun after each little bit of data.

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template. It seem to me that you are suggestion it is easier for an inexperienced template user to decide first on what it is that they are citing and then choose an appropriate template. I suggest is is simpler to have one template and one set of documentation (if needs be a table of what to use for

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Would not the full stops function as stronger separators of information, like the semi-colons are doing compared to the commas? The full stops can indicate stronger relationships between the data by grouping together strings using semi-colons and commas. Basically, what I am not understanding is your

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clause, similar to the typical image caption or list item. Ergo, we should use commas when practical, semicolons to separate material containing its own commas; semicolons between logically more separate things (e.g. author info; title info; publisher and location info), and use other punctuation as

839:. Since the source is online and the citation has a link in it, should something be changed so that this doesn't show as an error, or should there be no access-dates because CiteSeer is stable enough that knowing when the link worked isn't helpful? If the latter, might fixing these cases be a job for 3886:

I strongly support that idea (full "vol. 5, no. 11" style) but wasn't sure I should propose it, since the academical editors around here might revolt. At bare minimum, I want it back for non-serial publications, especially books, but it should also be done for videos and some other stuff that aren't

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tags. The dividing line for me is simple, legitimate, html tags; that means no styling, no attributes, no classes, etc because that stuff is presentation information for a specific application (en.wiki) which may be (likely is) inappropriate for other applications; there has been little discussion

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I tried to change "Various translators" to "Ashley Cooper et al" only to find "et al" was removed. I can't add all translators because they're not all credited in the source (there are four credited plus "and others"). The error from adding explicit "et al" says to use |display-authors= instead, but

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Would it not be useful to have a parameter "Wikidata" as an identifier? We now have OCLC, ISBN, doi, jstor, etc. etc. but not an easy way to link to the Wikidata-item (if any exists). It would be of great help, for instance, to directly check if a text, or info about a text, is available anywhere on

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Well, I missed that you are seemingly in the EU. Friday I was actually able to visit the interstitial but today I'm automatically redirected (I'm not sure I have ABP at work currently--might be the reason). For the interstitial, I did not see any option to access the plain text link, only to proceed

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IMO too many complications and maintenance issues. It's easy to say a site is blocked today (from your perspective), it's hard for someone else to go back and regularly verify the blocks are still live (for your perspective). Do we track blocks between China and Taiwan in which case most articles on

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cs1|2 templates have the responsibility to render parameter values so that citation presentation is consistent among cs1|2 templates. Because the templates have the responsibility, there should be little call for editors to add markup to cs1|2 parameters. There are exceptions to that: common wiki

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or harvard citations, so most of those pages didn't need ref=harv. Also, historically, ref=harv hadn't been available for cite xxx, so affectionados of those templates weren't used to paying any attention to whether IDs were unique, so changing the default to ref=harv would start generating lots of

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The bot doesn't limit itself to the cites it can fix error-free. Also, not a fan of inline bot/tool advertisement, it opens a can of worms. Anyone else want their bots/tools to have inline adds? If the tool was well established and working without many errors and could fix most cases maybe it would

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Putting the volume in the title can be difficult to avoid, in cases where the volume has its own separate subtitle (the Knuth example discussed above) or for when a multi-volume book is also part of a book series and has a volume number (or multiple volume numbers) in the series that are different

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it is the duty and obligation of the cs1|2 templates to style rendered citations because consistent styling is important to editors at en.wiki; for that reason, there should be no need to markup anything except titles so that these titles comply with MOS and the common renderings of mathematical,

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This seems a bit misguided. If I were to ask a question, it would probably be "should we continue to have two separate citation styles by default, or should one or the other be moved to the other mode by default"? You would probably get as much acrimony but would have a definitive answer to "do we

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tags should be used (chemical and element names, simple math text, etc). Those are currently passed into the COinS (as is any of the markup that hasn't been stripped). There may be other specific cases where html markup is desirable, but for the most part, I think that such markup should not be

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Until Citation bot has the long list of bugs fixed and has been well tested to determine how useful it is in this scenario of missing URLs, I wouldn't support that proposal. In the meantime, that proposal shouldn't hold up this one as they are not dependent on one another. The community shouldn't

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However, because of the complexity of cite templates and the way they move stuff around depending on which parameters have data, making any changes to them in such a regard would be challenging, and would require a lot of testing with different templates and different bits of present and omitted

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McNabb, J. P.; Heinz, Franziska (May 2011); ; in Bluto, Jane; Fisk, P. J. (eds.); ''Neo-Boltospherical Spectroscopy'', "Studies in Arcturophasic Spectra" series, vol. 4, revised ed., pp. 12–34; Bumswaddle-on-Dee, England: University of Chickenham; via Google Books; ISBN: whatever, DOI: whatever,

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If I've reignited any sectarian struggles here, please slap me with several trouts as needed. That wasn't my intent (as I hoped was obvious from my flippant phrasing on the issue). But so that it's clear where I stand, to the degree that's relevant, I cannot quite bring myself to care about what

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My take from the thread above this one, and the discussions linked to from that thread, is that some people think it's bad to have duplicate IDs in the same article even if they don't cause an actual ambiguity, because it's invalid HTML. These IDs are, under the covers, HTML anchors. The links

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premise is faulty. There is no magical split between foot/end note style and bibliography style universally, even if there is for some particular publishers. Every issuer of a citation "standard" has chosen different typography and punctuation, and they're just all in conflict. Even within a

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Someone in the previous discussion seems to have said that the citation template (rather than the cite x series) should be used for Bibliographies and the like for reasons (which don't appear to be error related. As far as I could see, the error seems to be to do with ref templates generating

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I guess it depends on which side of the common-language barrier you stand whether 'committee' is singular or plural. As I understand it, using British English: 'the committee are deciding', 'the committee have decided'; but in American English: 'the committee is deciding', 'the committee has

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image attribute text from the image that is rendered in place of the math markup). Since MediaWiki broke it, Module:Citation/CS1/COinS now replaces math strip markers with 'MATH RENDER ERROR' text so that we don't percent encode the strip marker text which would look like gibberish to COinS

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is used and no authors have been provided, it's strange to have "(ed.)" rather than "(eds.)" tacked on to "Flora of North America Editorial Committee", because a committee is not an editor. (That's the only difference in output between the two parameters that I can spot.) Maybe I'm being too

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I am also in the US and for me 'Flora of North America Editorial Committee' is a singular entity so 'ed.' is appropriate; for 'Members of the Flora of North America Editorial Committee': multiple entities so 'eds.' is appropriate. No doubt this is an issue that may never be resolved to the

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as it stands saves us from a lot of drama in the short and medium term, but that it's possible the reverse is true in the longer term." – This isn't even in doubt. It's already come true. But it will have to get much worse before the community will find the will to do anything about it.

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If there's a case where a book "volume" is not expressible with "vol." then that's probably the wrong parameter, since it's not actually a volume. If there is some case where it is the right parameter and "vol." still somehow couldn't apply (examples please), then we can use a "vol."

3840:(11)", but this isn't appropriate for books, which should be rendered "vol. 5". The journal style doesn't even make much sense in the (frequent) case of no issue number. It's the very juxtaposition of the bold volume and the parenthetical issue that makes the format easily parseable. 2615:, which in turn link to an alphabetical list of works cited, would use a comma as a separator in the numbered citations (e.g. "Howse 1997, ch. 4.", with "Howse 1997" being a link). These articles would use the period as the field separator in the list of works cited, and would need 3079:

The date is often in another place in the order, though; many people put it toward the end, and if I'm going to move stuff around, I might as well template it. A good case could be made for using colons between the author(s) and paper/chapter title, and between the editors(s) and

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duplicate ids - which are normally solved by using mangled years (i.e. 2003a, 2003b etc) or putting something in the ref= field. The more technically knowledgeable who can decipher the technobabble in the previous discussions will presumably be able to explain things better.

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does sound a bit excessive for the purpose, at least as a first approach. I'll take a look at using the parser function, I think, and check with the template's author (I'm just trying to help out) what the specific requirements for validation and error handling are. Thanks!

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as it stands saves us from a lot of drama in the short and medium term, but that it's possible the reverse is true in the longer term. In any case, I truly believed my proposal above was independent of the "preferred citation style" issue, and I still don't see how making

4141:" a direct link is generalliy preferred and sufficient, and all those other niggling descriptive details can be ignored. Lacking such a link the reader will likely be faced with more daunting challenges than not having a volume number explicitly labelled as such. 3449:

removes all wiki apostrophe markup from title holding parameters before the title is included in the COinS metadata. Wikilinks are permitted because Module:Citation/CS1/COinS strips off the markup and uses only the label portion of the wikilink (if in the form

3606:"line feed, carriage return ... characters are each replaced with a single space character" has not been my experience at all; the template instead throw a loud warning about linefeeds in the title, which makes no sense to me since HTML is whitespace-agnostic. 1101:

Whether the publication was posthumously is not a question for citations. If you absolutely must indicate the text was written posthumous e.g. in the context of a general reference, just include that fact before or after the use of the citation template.

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Well, it looks like there's two proposals: 1) implement "vol." for books and such, and 2) do that plus also implement "vol." and "no." for periodicals. I'd support the latter as first choice and former as second, though I'd only intended to propose the

4026:(11)" probably isn't up to mucking around in a journal environment in the first place, so that problem hardly arises. As to "vol. 5, no. 11": why abbreviate? Why not go for the whole hog with "volume 5, number 11"? One answer: excess packaging– i.e., 1177:

these countries have block notices? Blocks can be transitory coming and going by human decree (Turkey and Russia perennial frenemies), and also sometimes it's not a block but a technical problem mistaken as a block (site down, network outage). --

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I generally prefer fewer abbreviations, and more clarity, so would go with volume and number as first choice, vol. and no. as second choice. We want people who are not familiar with the systems to find the reference as easily as possible. · · ·

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usually use the comma as the field separator in footnotes and endnotes (hereinafter called endnotes because Knowledge articles are not divided into pages, in the sense that pages exist in paper books and journals). Many of these styles, such as

1157:. The current options don't cover the issue of when a user is prevented from seeing a reference because they are in the wrong region, it's happened to me a couple of times now, with US based sites blocking users from the EU. Something like 2466:

Yeah I'd like to see you approve enabling the warning messages, show evidence that the bot works, and then see if the community supports adding it to the sandbox. I'm still not convinced it's a good idea, but maybe you can convince me. --

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Can you clarify what you're doing? Do you click "Decline and visit plain text site" and end up on the right page? From the HTML it's hard to see how you could get such a result: <a class="db-dXNlci1hY3Rpbw" href="https://text.npr.org":

2307:, that one shouldn't have the bot link. The bot behaves correctly by leaving cite web alone, but since it's leaving cite web alone, the link adds nothing in that the case. Everywhere else the bot is fine on those errors (and many more). 3542:"transcluded into every cs1|2 template doc page" – Okay. I wanted to make sure this was the total list, and not partial (i.e., depending on which template page you're looking at, the way the rest of the documentation subtly changes). 1436:

I suppose that, were we being truly pedantic, and applying English grammar rules to all parameter names, then none would be hyphenated; those parameters that are proper names would needs be spelled with appropriate capitalization –

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then there is only one set of documentation and if a set of parameters does not seem to fit then it is relatively easy to look for ones that do. With separate templates how does one choose the most appropriate for edge case? --

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You appear to be saying that anyone who doesn't have an academic background and so isn't familiar with academic reference formatting, shouldn't be looking at references at all. If references aren't for the readers, who are they

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yeah, bold markup is supported in cs1|2 title holding parameters though perhaps it shouldn't be. Surely we should support necessary markup, but bold in citation renderings except where applied by the template is, I think, mere

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The links above are not broken for me, whether via the direct interstitial link you provided or the link directly to the news source. You may have some tool or extension which is preventing you from using the link meaningfully.

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I also support the idea, firstly because its much more intuitive, and also because on Knowledge, we are much more likely to mix references of different types in articles, so clearer and more consistent presentation is

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The NYT had something like this for years, then it didn't work and we were left having to convert to the long form. Of course the opposite can also occur from long to short. Probably best not fix until broken. --

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I assert that the present use of periods vs. commas as separators in templated citations evolved over time, and a discussion of what pattern would be most pleasing, with an audience of those who used or developed

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about this and no action taken except to flag a bunch of templates as inappropriate for use in cs1|2 templates; arguably, rtl languages should be have markup; there has been very little discussion on that topic

3603:, etc. As I reported earlier, people are definitely using them in title parameters and removing them all would be a massive hassle. Being able to use them would actually make the refs material easier to read. 1034:

Is it necessary? If you are citing a published source that you consulted, isn't all that is needed is to include the publication date of that source so that readers may locate a copy of that source that you

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those characters are removed from a copy of the parameter value before it is added to the metadata; the error message is there so that editor know to remove these extraneous characters from the wikisource

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In English, it is normal for acronyms and initialisms to be written in all caps. ASIN-TLD is an initialism (to be pedantic, two initialisms separated by a hyphen), and hence, all caps is normal style. –

3645:, etc. I see these in titles frequently. What's the process for proposing something specific? I really have little awareness of where the "guts" of this system lives and who is managing it and where. 1651:

to the article (or the other alternative to leave the page I think). Either way, I've found that one way to work around this kind of issue is to access the same page on archive.org, for which we have

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consumers; of course, 'MATH RENDER ERROR' isn't very helpful to those consumers either. Perhaps someday, MediaWiki will repair the damage they have done; I'm not going to hold my breath for that.

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is grammatically singular or plural, but whether it refers to a single editor or a group of editors. In this case, it must be a group, or they would have been able to list individual editor names.

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templates in title-holding parameters so Module:Citation/CS1/COinS strips the html stuff that results from those templates and replaces them with a single apostrophe (') or 's. No-break space (

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of one of the CS1 templates. However, one of those custom inputs is a date, and that date will form part of the title rather than be output as a separate date field like the CS1 templates do.

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This proposal appears to force the use of one particular citation format, (i.e. CS2) and is completely against the spirit of WP:CITEVAR, which does not even specify that templates be used.

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Note that cite news also uses the numbers without label style, like cite book and cite journal. Should newspapers and the like follow the cite magazine styling or the cite journal styling?

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that take an unrecognized parameter, convert it to lowercase and, if that proves to be a valid parameter name, emits a suggested-parameter error message specifying the lowercase version.

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is undocumented and was unexpected, but it makes sense. I have not "written" a template, I "use" them trying to be consistent. I have edited a few templates trying to fix "errors" (e.g.

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plus one of the CS1 templates for most of its functionality. The "custom" parts of it look, so far, mostly to be a couple of custom parameters that need to be concatenated to form the

3294:? Another example are the books of journals often annuals, or books of magazines which are online (something that will only grow over time); how does an editor decide whether to use 3173:

Because different types of citations need to be handled differently, and presenting strong and recognizable "default" parameters names matter. What should you use to cite a book in

369:, etc.) should be used instead. But it seems like it seems a better place to put an editorial committee, so it shouldn't be discouraged in the case of the Flora of North America. — 2549:

I suggest that if such a discussion had occurred before thousands (or is it millions) of these templates were in place, the consensus would have been something like the following.

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Seems like a rather different discussion, but yes, we should avoid duplicate IDs. The entire point of an id (even before it was ever used for anchoring – that used to only be the

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I'm relieved that wiki-apostrophe italics (and bold?) will work fine; what about other non-HTML-tag wiki markup? I'm not sure much would be used, but it's worth knowing for sure.

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We can, however, have the cite templates do sensible things by default. They mostly seem to already. Given the complexity, it'll never be 100% perfect by every criterion. E.g.,

4030:– for the information presented. Even though we are not subject to the same space constraints as (say) a journal, full citations can get long, and succinctness is not a sin. ♦ 3862:

Honestly I think we should just ditch the special, not-parsed-by-anyone-except-journal-readers, bold and parentheses and actually provide the abbreviations in all cases, as

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discipline, sub-disciplines may use radically different citation style (e.g. cultural anthropology and archaeology, for an example that was the bane of my undergrad years).

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Articles that use an alphabetical list of works cited would use the period as the field separator and parenthetical citations would use the cite xxx family and would need

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what would be appropriate). The problem for editors new to citation templates is not the obvious case, but the one on the edge. For an online dictionary should one use

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because of the maintenance message, but the documentation says that is meant to be used for a single editor's name, so that seems like a fudge, like when someone uses

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Because that is not the function of these templates. You can modify the links in wikisource by writing an awb or similar-tool script or by building a bot to do that.

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is not set. MediaWiki does not know what to do if you simultaneously try to make an external link and a wikiling of the same text. When you attempt that in cs1|2,

4266:. This is so confusing on books. I suspect many put the volume in the title parameter instead, and that's not good for the metadata. Even I've done it sometimes. 3609:"of course, 'MATH RENDER ERROR' isn't very helpful to those consumers either" – True, but they're readable by us, so we can at least try to do something manually. 3487:), zero-width joiner, zero-width space, and soft hyphen characters (except when any of these are used in Indic script text) are all stripped without replacement. 161:

So what I would like to achieve is to appropriate most of CS1's date handling (parsing, validation, date-format formatting) on the input side, including forcing

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No, I am not saying that, not at all, and certainly not what anyone should or shouldn't be looking at. What I am saying is that anyone doesn't understand what "

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Is there a testcase page that demonstrates the bot is working correctly and is able to make fixes for this? What percentage of cases is it able to fix est.? --

3483:) entities, tab, line feed, carriage return, and hair space (U+200A) characters are each replaced with a single space character. Zero-width joiner entities ( 2115:

It was not clear to me where to look for a full list of these identifiers (in my case I had a SKU ID and wanted to check if there was a parameter for this).

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makes it clear which parameters you need to use when citing an arxiv preprint, and which you don't need to bother with. Same for cite journal vs cite book.

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is the title of a book, how can it be the title of a journal, rather than the title of the article? All of those things have answers, but they're complex.

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I set one up... but the bot failed to do anything. Either there's a regression, or I was confusing this with an AWB functionality. I filed a bug report at

2437:, and those usually get done in a few days. We can have a mockup in the sandbox for now, and pull it down if the bug hasn't been fixed live update time. 321:, but use of that is discouraged according to the documentation, and triggers a (normally hidden) maintenance message, which I wasn't aware of till now. 2180:

from 2013, the bot has fixed "resolvable instances" or a little over 50%. Recommend the remainder display a red notice, to manually find and fix. --

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https://choice.npr.org/index.html?origin=https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/04/21/305688602/alaska-oks-bill-making-native-languages-official

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articles without author names, and authors should generally be provided since usually the template is used to cite a specific treatment in the flora.

1966:. My bot does fix. They are somewhat common, editors are often misinformed about how to add archives. Is there a tracking category to find when the 483:

is used, which surprises me: does the module have a way of determining that "Flora of North America Editorial Committee" is not a person's name? —

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applies to ephemeral sources; those sources that have a good likelihood of changing over time; it does not apply to named identifier links; see

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that has no effect. There is a |display-editors= parameter for editors, but no |display-translators=. Is there any particular reason for this?

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It is less jarring for Knowledge to follow external customs to the extent possible. Therefore, articles that only use endnotes should use the

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discussions. If I understand things well, I can use the parameter "id={{Wikidata|Q38197781}}", if I want to link to Wikidata. Am I right? --

3496:) in Scribunto, Module:Citation/CS1/COinS could decode the various math markup and render an understandable text version (essentially, the 2177: 387:

suggests that a list follows, which is discouraged in preference to separate identification of each editor. I don't see what is wrong with

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Not really, although ASIN-tld might make sense... and at this point that's pretty close to ASIN-TLD. But it's not actually used anywhere

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You don't see editors listed in the metadata because they aren't there; COinS does not have a key/value pair for editors. The rules for

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Is there a parameter in the citation templates for an editorial committee as opposed to a list of editors? This is needed for citing the

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When I encounter unpunctuated plain-text cites, and don't feel like templating them, I do this (to make up a rather maximal example):

1521:, which seems preferable from all perspectives for all our users anywhere? Getting the 9 (?) digit ID from the full URL seems easy. -- 3006:"Do we collectively want multiple citation styles?" – possibly not. "Could we agree on one style?" – definitely not. End of subject. 2230:, for finally taking on this task. Having a bot run through the category was a necessary condition for enabling the error message. – 4278: 4006: 3898: 3851: 3714: 3673: 3424: 3095: 3043: 2832: 2715: 3733:

I think that those listed parameters are all, but as noted, the documentation sucks and often lags far behind the implementation.

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is for. Unless of course, the block is not from the journal, but rather the country. In which case that's something unrelated to

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template, or if that template does not work well with a particular source, the appropriate member of the cite xxx template with

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Support enabling all three error messages. And I agree with GreenC regarding the orthogonal issue of a link to Citation bot. --

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Yes, which is a good reason to avoid making such changes in the wikitext when they can be handled centrally by the template. --

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I don't see a way to indicate in the citation that a book or an article was published posthumously. Is there guidance on this?

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will 'work' (prevents the name from being rendered as 'Editing C') but, is rather the long-way-round to get the same result as

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What would be the appropriate property for a doc reference in the UK National Archives. This is an example of the the ref:

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in mdy and ymd and return dmy (if the input date isn't too badly mangled – in which case it will return an error message):

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it from another module. For validation, the calling module must construct a table of tables from the parameters in the

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should be actively forbidden in works cited / bibliography lists (i.e. that they should be explicitly unlinkable)? --

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would suffice? The help template is protected though, so I can't add the link. Does this seem like a good addition?

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is not an identifier but rather, is an identifier modifier. For this reason, I propose to deprecate and then remove

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Hatting J (1950). "Valgdeltagelsen efter 1866". In Fabricius K, Frisch H, Hjelholt H, Mackeprang M, Møller A (eds.).

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A list of cs1|2 parameters that contribute to COinS metadata is transcluded into every cs1|2 template doc page from

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are the same so that confusion amongst editors is minimized; too much technical detail is too much technical detail.

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chemical, and scientific terms and names; no doubt that there are other things that might be acceptably marked up.

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In external style guides, the entries in the alphabetical list of works cited use periods as the field separator.

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It would be nice if some specific HTML was stripped, namely all the presentation and semantic markup tags like

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prefix. Is there a preferred solution for this, and where would be the best place to document the solution? —

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italic markup can / should be used in title-holding parameters to distinguish scientific names, for example.

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In short, I favor comma as a separator in endnotes and periods as a separator in alphabetical bibliographies.

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Incidentally, I've found in spot-checking that a lot of the citeseerx ids used in Knowledge citations violate

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A list of exactly what kinds of markup cause these problems, and which (like HTML character entities) do not?

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have the warning messages withheld, they can begin fixing the problems immediately the old fashioned way. --

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This may not actually be a mistake - if the archive page is where the editor has originally seen the content.

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https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/04/21/305688602/alaska-oks-bill-making-native-languages-official

247:{{#iferror:{{#time:j F Y|September 1, 2018}}|do something about the error|{{#time:j F Y|September 1, 2018}}}} 4228: 3813: 3560:

are okay, yet the templates usually seem to throw link-in-title errors about this. The more general case of

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would be better. Yet, a string like this is usually followed by a parenthesized date, so it would result in

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Agreed regarding "don't fix what isn't broken". Interstitial suck, but they aren't the end of the world. --

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tags should be used.... Those are currently passed into the COinS" – So, COinS will literally receive

3239:, I would use "title". But then I have a lot of experience so I know what I am doing if I am using the 1903:{{cite paper|title=Studies of the dynamics of dry-friction-damped blade assemblies|hdl=2027.42/131660}} 239:

All of this is, of course, doable Have you considered using the time parser function? This will take

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Fabricius K, Frisch H, Hjelholt H, Mackeprang M, Møller A, eds. (1950). "Valgdeltagelsen efter 1866".

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If I were in charge, I'd merge the two styles (use comma separators and end each in a period unless

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Re your initial commentary: TLDR. As to your succinctly stated preference: sure, suit yourself. Add

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2) we do it in plenty of other situations, e.g. . And the bot works well without many errors as is.

4289: 4246: 4050: 3994:(11)" style who are unfamiliar with or won't understand the other style, while reverse is not true. 3914: 3759:, shows the wiki markup and an error message; You get the same results when you simultaneously set 3748: 3199: 2991: 2733: 2639: 2362: 2235: 2125: 1996: 1460: 1427: 1023: 942: 927: 720: 632: 568: 4191: 4098: 3615:"Certainly some html markup is desirable in title-holding parameters. There are cases where the 3297: 3285: 3251: 3211: 3135:, then there is no reason to stop at just 2 modes we could add in CSVCAN and scrap the dedicated 3007: 2919: 2666: 2443: 2374: 2313: 2254: 2049:

Relative lack of need. As far as I know this one cs1 template is the only one that has required

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Certainly some html markup is desirable in title-holding parameters. There are cases where the

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the default intersects with that issue. Or have I missed some faction that actually argues that

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semantically restrictive about "editor", but it usually means a single person. But there aren't

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It's not in this template's domain to change the provided URL. Basically, it's out of scope. --

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good to know. I'm not adding these links at all, just working through access-date errors from

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in titles of various technical citations; some of them are difficult to interpret without it.

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referencing where one style is used for one and the other style is used in the other case.

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the only parameter names that may be uppercase are the named identifiers (DOI, PMC, etc);

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everything related to cs1|2 from complaints to rfcs should happen here on this talk page

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You may want to search the archives, as your suggestion has been talked about before. --

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I'd clarify that there is some sort of footnote/endnote vs. bibliography context like

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It works fine in those cases. Only case we need to handle differently are those with

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I just noticed that the author name was changed to Vancouver style. Another surprise!

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Hatting J (1950). Fabricius K, Frisch H, Hjelholt H, Mackeprang M, Møller A (eds.).

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actually either are fine in British English and are used depending on the context.

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An example of such a title just for context (grey background marks each variable):

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opposition to the use of periods in citations outside of abbreviations and such. —

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is to match natural English as much as possible. A citation is a non-sentence but

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used in cs1|2 parameters whether those parameters are made part of COinS or not.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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at least for EU users. Why not rewrite all of them to the lightweight version

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wikilinks in titles are allowed (all of those cases you illustrate will work

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or similar is individually set to run two citations in the same footnote),

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to do that, before doing the concatenation and then handing it off through

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and the like in cs1|2 templates; Module:Citation/CS1 has built-in kerning

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PS: What you've said above seems to contradict the docs transcluded into

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Yes! I concur. The other two error categories should also be unhidden:

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for the verification. I do not want to study the various citation styles.

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Absolutely support all three messages being enabled. Thank you so much,

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parameter expands to an outdated external URL, and should be updated to

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Fabricius K, Frisch H, Hjelholt H, Mackeprang M, Møller A, eds. (1950).

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Either way, it's a moot point, do what the hell you prefer, and follow

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posthumously would certainly be something to note. But likely you mean

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It's fine that journal volume and issue info come out as things like "

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There are two parameters that allow lists (and are not discouraged),

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I'm not seeing the editorial committee in the COinS metadata even if

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Still, if this is somehow necessary, there are a couple of options:

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discussion is virtually moot since it does not effect the output of

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and, as you note, will force the names in the author-list (if using

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I'm not sure I understand the links part. It seems to suggest that

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in place of all the "cite ..." templates. Copied from the section

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Preference for period or comma as separator in templated citations

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Anyway, thanks for the clarifications so far. I'll try revising

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and those who used or developed the cite xxx family of templates

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is occasionally correct; for example magazines archived there. --

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Well, there's one difference: the module tacks on "(eds.)") for

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doing that?) Note also that is is precisely for the purpose of

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volume numbers are very significant and warrant bolding, while

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At one time, before MediaWiki broke math stripmarker handling (

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The links *are* broken. The interstitial goes to the main page

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I'm looking at rewriting an existing custom citation template (

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Great, thanks. I'll check in with the bot on its talk page. ›

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templates, but it's solving the sort of case I mentioned.) ›

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discouraged? My impression is that it is discouraged because

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I'm shocked. Shocked! to find that the documentation sucks.

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actually want two" instead of this particular question... --

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DOI is an initialism so, by what I understand is your rule,

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non-unique IDs that people had never thought about before.

971:(Today a bot came online doing just that for various cases 616:

Den Danske Rigsdag 1849-1949 bind III - Rigsdagen og folket

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Den Danske Rigsdag 1849-1949 bind III - Rigsdagen og folket

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Den Danske Rigsdag 1849-1949 bind III - Rigsdagen og folket

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Den Danske Rigsdag 1849-1949 bind III - Rigsdagen og folket

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For a while, we were plagued by cs1|2 templates that had

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or harvard citations, so making ref=none the default for

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Category:Pages using citations with accessdate and no URL

1314:"Cataracts induced by microwave and ionizing radiation". 949:

Category:Pages using citations with accessdate and no URL

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Category:Pages using citations with accessdate and no URL

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The examples that you give are working as they should do.

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as desired. However, if you are thinking of having that

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or a manually set ref value on every entry in the list.

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or a manually set ref value on every entry in the list.

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which can be taken to mean written 2000, published 2018.

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does presently. That's somewhere on my to do list... --

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set. If this advice were followed, most invocations of

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I'm not sure anyone understands your question. Perhaps

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would create lots of problems. But cite xxx tended to

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satisfaction of everyone so I'm done talking about it.

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If we were to have one template for all citations eg

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Category:Pages using citations with format and no URL

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Articles that use numbered citations generated with

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How to appropriate CS1's date handling functionality

3595:are being filtered out, might want to do that with 3401:A list of parameters affected by doing things like 3290:? What about a chapter of a book at the website of 533:from now on, and I've updated the documentation. — 4182:Journal style for book volumes was implemented at 1009:How to indicate posthumous publication, if at all. 389:|editor=Flora of North America Editorial Committee 2654:tags) should be actively avoided. I also believe 2109:https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Cite_techreport 1781:Thank you very much for this suggestion. I found 1064:implies previous publication. The other option: 712:. But who knows what might happen in the future. 2081:COinS metadata is created for these parameters 2079: 338:for an organization or a website name, or uses 222:– it was never intended for such use. One can 4288:from the numbers of volumes within the book. — 2913:when you get into debates about which to use. 2207:Category:Pages using web citations with no URL 1959:Pages using a web archive URL in the url field 4092:, not for journals, at least at this moment. 4018:Anyone that doesn't understand how to parse " 3454:) or just the target portion (if in the form 2758:Some folks did some counting, and found that 2524:This section is related to the above thread, 2077:COinS heading the help template states that: 234:must extract the modified date and return it. 8: 3167:#Proposal: make ref=harv the default for CS1 2755:generated links are guaranteed to be unique. 2526:#Proposal: make ref=harv the default for CS1 1640:Decline and Visit Plain Text Site</a: --> 342:for the first word in a list of authors and 3774:there is no reason for editors to be using 3685:Template:Citation Style documentation#COinS 3537: 3437:Template:Citation_Style_documentation#COinS 3355:Is the new update in Citation/CS1 working? 847:?) that should be handled the same way? CC 114: 3662:again to better account for some of this. 1275:. This change has already been applied to 4144:BTW, please note that I am talking about 3832:Stop using journal style for book volumes 3062:The best approach for our citation style 1895:Use the correct identifier; in this case 1483:there having been no further discussion, 460:Well, I don't think the issue is whether 4139:find the reference as easily as possible 1519:https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=305688602 3077:OtherID: whatever; accessed: date here. 2072:Provide a link to the named identifiers 884:so you should be using that instead of 758:Undocumented time parameter in cite web 529:Okay. I'll put editorial committees in 4138: 3768: 3764: 3760: 3756: 3752: 3744: 3573: 3569: 3565: 3561: 3557: 3553: 3549: 3326:? If there is only one template like 3192: 3188: 3184: 2979:Oh crap, not this again. Unwatching - 2946: 2884: 2880: 2680: 2660: 2616: 2599: 2582: 2244:I'd only support enabling those if we 2100: 2096: 2092: 2088: 2053:support. I'll at adding that support. 2050: 2006: 1967: 1930: 1919: 1896: 1868:This works as expected, but gives the 1855: 1843: 1832: 1807:Handle vs DOI (non-10. prefix warning) 1513:currently redirect to an interstitial 1484: 1451: 1442: 1438: 1366: 1362: 1358: 1354: 1350: 1206: 1202: 1061: 1060:but that is a bit problematic because 952: 885: 881: 873: 844: 836: 832: 818: 804: 780:reference #6), it is not mentioned in 763: 734: 730: 705: 701: 661: 657: 653: 649: 580: 557: 553: 530: 509: 505: 480: 468: 411: 407: 388: 384: 366: 362: 358: 354: 350: 343: 339: 335: 331: 318: 166: 162: 132: 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 3932:for books; indifferent for journals. 3157:asked me a question about only using 3056: 1876:does not start with the DOI-specific 1127:. Which could be significant for the 7: 3887:magazines, journals, or newspapers. 3564:, and other things that resolved to 2168:This category has been processed by 1653:good reason to provide a link anyway 737:if no authors have been provided. — 3964:As an aside I remind everyone that 3795: 3649: 3642: 3638: 3634: 3621: 3616: 3512: 3507: 3030:Johnson, P.; Chan, S. (eds.) 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