Talk:2006 Indian anti-reservation protests

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and banks keep providing huge loans, but there are many who cannot afford to take these loans at high interest rates. The solution to the overall problem cannot be obtained in a short period of time. Firstly, the government should have the latest statistics of different categories of people within the society at the present time. Since India has a large population, more institutions which can impart high quality education to the students should be opened in various parts of India and the institutions that we have at present should be upgraded to meet the rising demands. The government should also do something for the economically backward people of the higher castes who have been left to strive for themselves. Let’s be positive and hope the government will consider all these factors and find a solution that is fair and just for all and not try to impose its will on the people.

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economy will go down the toilet. China will take over the lost market from India. And it will all be really really ugly for India. So Indian leaders wakeup! VP Singh and Arjun Singh has nothing to worry as they have probably millions stashed in Swiss Bank. Their kids and grand kids can eat all day long just sitting on their buts and not do anything. It is the poor Indian who has to live in India will have to deal with it. IIT brand name is because its graduates have proven themselves. If IIT's get third get students then brand name will diminish and soon private money based colleges will come up. So do not ruin IIT/IIM/AIMS and other prestigious institutions who have matured to this state because of hard work of the predeccessors. Lort have mercy on India! Kaushal Tripathi..Atlanta, GA, USA.

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the scholarships for education that they wouldn’t get normally. We must also consider what the future of the candidates who acquire education through reservation will be. At present, since the percentage of quotas is small, the employers don’t bother. If the government implements this decision, nearly 50% of the seats will be under reservation. The employers in future might start dividing candidates into reserved and unreserved categories. There are many merited students even from the OBCs and other reserved categories. Wouldn’t it hurt their sentiments if the employers start to look down at them as they have obtained their degrees through reservation?

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increasing the number of seats in the educational institutions. But then it is the quality of education that suffers. Before we come to the higher secondary stage none of us even talks of these quotas. Then the process of applying for the entrance exams for the professional courses starts and the seeds of caste get drilled into our minds. Each time before elections, new reservations start to emerge. Governments are practicing the policy of “divide and rule” with our own people. We hear this even during admissions to under-graduate courses. But is it correct to carry it into the post-graduation phase also?

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toward the government. Even in the case of the protest of resident doctors in Andhra Pradesh against increase in the quota for service candidates in the PG course seats, the protesters got nothing but an assurance from the government that the matter will be looked into. The courts in many other cases have been successful only in obtaining assurances and not in delivering justice to the people. This really questions the law which states that no strikes or protests must be staged on an issue when the matter is in judicial review. This law is in favor of the government and must be looked into immediately.

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would be equal progress of all sections of the society. Over the years, the condition of the people of reserved categories has improved at a fast rate while that of the middle class, general or open category people has remained more or less the same. After nearly 60 years of independence now, general category people have started to feel that they are being subjugated and that the odds have been stacked against them. At a time like this, the government’s decision to bring out legislation to implement a 27% quota for OBCs adds further fuel to the fire.

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and balanced then it makes sense to cite it as well, don't you think ? Otherwise, the critics of the criticism are unnamed people who have, apparently studied the extent of the protests and their apparent coverage on television. The portion of the media bias section that talks about the media bias is not POV because it cites widely cited reputed print and online journals. If you can find a response of any Indian media organisation to the allegations of bias, countering them, then please reinsert the counter-media-bias-theory along with the citation.

507: 489: 1361:"Most pro-reservation protestors belong to the SC/ST or OBC category, but include some upper caste people, who support reservation." Removed this since it is speculation and bias speaking. There is no way to know exactly who composes all the protest rallies. I bet a large number of pro-reservation protestors are the ones who would benefit from it but you can't with certainty that there are no so-called "upper caste peopple" in there. 405: 384: 334: 602: 415: 1030:"It is highly debatable as to what the actual percentage of the OBCs in the current population of India is. Proponents of reservation give ridiculous figures of as high as 80 %, while most surveys (such as rediff.com) claim that the OBCs constitute about 36 % of the Indian population. It is illegal to ask one's caste during the census, hence the percentage of the castes in contemporary Indian is largely unknown," 2196: 358: 256: 222: 242: 191: 266: 2303:

have been getting recently. These institutions are seen as places where people can get rich. The government wants to give opportunities to the backward castes to earn similar salaries. But this should not happen at the cost of the quality of education. There is no doubt that when the quality of education suffers, there won’t be such high salaries anyway.

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do errors (and those for whom English is a foreign language do so more). Regarding your comment that nouns can be made plural is not always true. There are some nouns that are inherently plural. As I am weak in English grammer, I cannot remember any example thogh!(probably "asset" is an example, so is "people") You might be knowing better. Regards.--

2386: 807:"Mr. Shailendra Kumar Mishra. Mr. Mishra went on a three day hunger strike to protest against the same, finally giving in to dehydration. His selfless contributions to the society were later translated into a Public Interest Litigation filed at the District Court of Guwahati City." He is alleged of having ties with BJP. 1795:

very "FLUID". Now after 59 years of Independence we still believe that India "IS" divided according to castes? It seems to me wrong to say that. We should revise this as it gives wrong meaning to the whole discussion. I can dig up the citations if you want and revise this to show that point of debate too. --

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There is a strong feeling these days that in the future there won’t be a single general category student going for higher education in India. It looks like the government wants to make it a reality too. It is alright as long as there is no limit on the number of general category students going abroad

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Debunking a lie is NOT personal attack. Someone may not know something or may be wrong at something. That does not mean you should attack/question his credibility. Of course you should make the correction. And English grammer is not a matter of joke, everyday even people with English as mother tongue

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Removed the noting that the amendment "allowed the govt. to supercede the judiciary". parliament makes the laws and the judiciary enforces the laws. In Inamdar, the court held that the action was against the constitution, so the constitution was amended. This is not about superceding the court, it is

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It is right that some sections have been oppressed for decades, hindering their progress. But the government cannot reverse the process and repair the wrong done in decades with a single move. This decision has occurred mainly as a result of the hype over the high salaries that IIT and IIM graduates

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The criticism of the media bias theory stated facts, not claims, such as the fact that pro-reservation rallies were being covered and the fact that debates were held in which both points of view were discussed. Why delete it for a citation needed claim? Doesn't that make that part of the article POV

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I am afraid this is probably true. The article was created in an un-organized manner and needs to be extensively copyedited so that the flow is smooth. Unfortunately this isn't easy as the editors here have to deal with a lot of vandalism going on since the article started. I am working on the issue

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The whole background section needs to be seriously trimmed. Refer to other articles about the caste-system instead of explaining every painstaking detail on this page. Besides that, all the information about the scheduled protests are also superfluous. This is not a place to announce demonstrations.

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Make it simple...Do not convolute the facts.... Reservation is BAD. Laloo Prasad and Mulayam Singh will come under OBC. You tell me , are they really backward! They are more forward than the most forward brahmin. Reservation will diminish India's dominance in technology. China will take over. Indian

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Nowadays the value of professional education has plummeted with a large number of private institutions entering into the stream. The number of engineers coming out every year is beyond the imagination. It is like pampering kids through school and junior college right into the professional education

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Actually all nouns in the English language can be made plural. Although some language pedants may try to argue endlessly that specific examples are incorrect, this also applies even to Nouns that, strictly speaking, defined as being only a singular definite article. E.G. person, the plural of which

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If a statement that there was an apprehension of media bias was made without citing the source of the apprehension, people would immediately strike it down as being without basis, saying it's merely hearsay. Similarly, If any media organisation has responded, defending their coverage as being fair

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both are google caches since the original sites seem to be down/slow. The cache is pretty old since there were 21,000 signs in the anti-reservation petition when i signed it (which was a looong time ago) and 216 on the pro-reservation one (which was a week or so ago). half the signatures in the pro

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The decision has indeed drawn flak from many quarters. Getting reservations would be a good thing, but the advantage always lies with the “more privileged” section of these backward castes. For instance, most students from backward castes do not reveal the truth about their parents’ income and get

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In a free and fair country, the candidate who is the most worthy should get the opportunity irrespective of his caste, creed and religion. When caste becomes the criteria for selection, how can one expect to get what is honestly due to him. The government argues that it can balance the equation by

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It depends. Things like tsunami/earthquake stay for a week almost. Also, it depends on other news stories. However, I recommend we keep changing the blurb in the "In the news..." section to keep it fresh - for example, fasts, immolation bid etc., so that it stays on that section and remains fresh.

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Background starts with "India IS divided into many endogamous groups, or castes ..". I was reading the book "Falling over Backwards by Arun Shourie" and found out many citations that say India "WAS" divided thousands of year back. Many British administrators of the time found that caste has become

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A lot of information deleted by you is actually an integral part of the article. In its current state, this article isn't justifying why its titled "Indian anti-reservation protests, 2006". Although the details need to be copyedited, I feel that a lot of it needs to be added again. I will copyedit

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When our country achieved independence, a large section of the society was leading a miserable life. They had been exploited for ages and the false beliefs in the society at that time further worsened their condition. The government of that day introduced the concept of reservations so that there

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Errrrm I don't know if it's just me, but I have no idea what this article is about. News reporting is not the job of Knowledge... Instead Knowledge is supposed to provide background information for such news, no? Would anyone who know what this article is about fill in the missing context please?

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There is one more thing we should look at. The involvement of the courts in various strike-related issues has just lead to the end of these strikes, but it hasn’t been able to provide justice to the protesters. The courts, which we look to for a fair solution to any issue, have only been leaning

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The above stated move by the government brought out the students, resident doctors and even the faculty members of AIIMS and many other hospitals to protest against the government. None of us would hesitate to say that these doctors were inhuman and heartless to have neglected even the emergency

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The term “Reservation” has been doing the rounds within the Indian media circuit of late owing to the government decision to implement 27% quota for the OBCs in the educational institutions of higher learning. Time has come to study the significance of this matter and see its consequences on the

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I would like to make clear something that can only be said on the talk page. The students are revolting because the kind of reservation being offered is purely votebank oriented. Of course there is no way this can be stated in the article but i think we should add a section making clear why the

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stream, without requiring any effort from them at all. But do we need to do it even at the post graduation level? When will a person learn to go all-out for something in life? How far can they go when they have been driven into the industry and have not learnt the art of survival to start with?

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There are a large number of failings in the reasons publicized by the government for implementing this decision. Firstly, the government has rooted its decision in a survey conducted by the Britishers prior to Independence, on the percentage of the OBCs in the population. The reserved category

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queue? Many events in that section above this one are one-time events that are not current any more, while this one is still very much an ongoing event. I think it will be a better idea to remove those events first to make place for newer ones rather than this one. What is everyone's opinion?

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I think the POV would come from whether these should be included in the first place or not. They are mainly those points that have been cited by anti-reservationists. If there is a reason for them to be included, it could only be under a section that talks about the arguments for and against

965:"The government took stern measures to counter the protesting doctors by serving them with suspension letters and asking them to vacate the hostels to make way for newly recruited doctors." Should this read hospitals? Also, what is the HRD? I don't think that acronym is spelled out anywhere. 849:

I have to agree. I can't figure this article out at all. Are the 'reservations' good, bad? Do they give the lower caste folks an opportunity they did not have before? Are the students protesting because they do not want lower caste to have opportunity? Or is the reservation system somehow

1761:. The intro, as it is now, seems fine to me, though we need a citation for the 'independent political panel'. Also, to those involved in the protests, please don't use Knowledge as a forum for spreading your views - there are many other forums available on the net for you to do that. -- 1781:"Proper intro"? Your intro, and also the changes you made to the Historical Background section are biased; I'm reverting them back. You're welcome to add in any other points you feel are useful, provided you keep it neutral. Besides, you can add additional historical information to 683:

Since our entire knowledge of the anti-reservation protests come from the media, it is appropriate, I believe, as has been done in countless other Knowledge articles that the views of those who believe that the media reporting on this issue is particularly biased be recorded.

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I'd like to appeal to whoever edits the page in the future not to add too much info to the Historical Background section. This article is about the current protests, and thus should have more info about that. Historical background is well documented in the main article -

1288:. However, a copyedit is essential before the details can be added in the article. Please go ahead with adding the details. However, I feel that the overview is sufficient and only thoughtful additions should now be made as this article is about protests. - 1387: 1876:

I find the remark about "backward groups" racist. The whole discussion about what foreign powers might take advantage of disturbances in India has is not NPOV and is highly speculative. I propose to remove the whole "Foreign Reaction" section. --

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Strike at hospitals has been withdrawn. Hospital works will resume from 8 am , 1 June. However, students' protest will continue, along with necessary demonstrations. Also, demonstrations from the part of non-medical students are set to be more

884:"Are the students protesting because they do not want lower caste to have opportunity? Or is the reservation system somehow discriminatory?" — yes, need to be addressed in more detail in the article. Will be done soon, hopefully. Regards.-- 1263:

Exactly. The current protests (as Deeptrivia initially put) should be reinserted, however, in a summary form - not all those small subheadings. Could you people try to change the flag image to any of the protest images, in the main page?

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Also, would stating that these reservations discriminate be considered POV? I think it's obvious that these reservations do discriminate on the basis of caste, but I'm hesitant to add it to the article because it may be considered POV?

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While I admit that the article is not perfect and not comprehensive, and there is scope to elucidate the context, still the article gives more context than at least one more "In the news" currently in the main page, the article being

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services. But isn’t it our government that is to be held responsible for a situation like this. Year after year, the governments of India have been enforcing their will on the people, making us ponder if ours is a democracy at all.

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candidates occupy nearly 52% of the government jobs today. Then what is the immediate need to increase the quotas? Though the government would not agree to it, most people feel that this is just another way of wooing the voters.

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article) and stating why the majority claim that in this case atleast reservation is not agreeable. Citing the original mandal comitee's findings and stressing that several of the new mandal comitee's members have resigned.

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of course rural/urban issues have a bearing, reservations in colleges have no meaning if half the population of backward classes live in villages and don't even know how to read... remember, rural India doesn't even have

870:). This article would be further enhanced soon so that anybody from any part of the world can easily comprehend. In fact, it had some more info of the historical context of the protest, now that has largely been moved to 696:

about the natural exercise of the powers of Parliament. As long as parliament does not change the "Basic Structure" of the Constitution, such as make India into a theocracy, they can change the Constitution.

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Please let the fact that it was in response to a Constitutional Amendment unanimously passed in Parliament remain on the page. I think that's the bare amount of historical context that this article warrants.

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When you make such a suggestion, also mention that free pics are available etc. On a different note, we should also try for other interesting stories like the kid Budhia not being allowed to run etc. --

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I had put details of current protests, which have since then been deleted. Please put it back, I think this article is primarily about the current protests. Background can be covered in more detail on

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students' logic in revolting and the govt's response. It should begin with a short POV description of how reservation is relevant in India, how and when it was suggested (with apporpriate links to the

877:"Are the 'reservations' good, bad" — probably become original research, We can only cite different views. "Do they give the lower caste folks an opportunity they did not have before"— in detail in 555: 44: 2656: 1079:

No. Rural / Urban distinctions have no bearing on this issue. Caste/ethnicity is what matters. But combined backward classes make up more than half the population. The question is how much more.

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I knew I was wrong! (I admitted I am weak in English grammer). And the way you replied is just perfect. It was not a personal attack. But on the earlier instance, you did a personal attack on

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is people, can both be pluralised without violating the rules of English grammar - persons, peoples. Technically, one could refer to speak of multiple instances of one's self. One's selfs.

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It would be good if someone can find a picture of the pro-reservation protests. That would hopefully balance the picture-bias in this article in favour of the anti-reservationists. --

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I strongly agree. The article is legible but still not very readable though I oppose sub-sections on the basis of dates and perhaps even cities. Knowledge is not a reporting agency.

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Actually the no.of pro-reservation protests are atleast 10-20 times less in number. a kind of "proof" is a comparison of the online petitions for and against reservation... see

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In addition, I believe that it is crucial that it be noted that the amendment specifically gave the govt the power to reserve seats in all colleges, even in private ones.

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I think that this statement is factually wrong. A media channel reported a minister specifically saying that this quota will be implemented in one go. Can anyone verify?

2696: 2651: 1713:"Quota" is trickier. My initial impression was that it's already plural. In fact, according to Webster, there is a word "quotum," which would be its singular. But Latin 1372:

I hope there are indeed people belonging to the upper castes supporting the pro-reservation movement. The shame on India social system would be less paining to witness.

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