Knowledge

Talk:Countries banning non-human ape experimentation

Source đź“ť

776:
almost always means "non-human great apes". My guess is that many biologists would accept use the term "near-human apes" to mean "non-human great apes", but "non-human ape" is the phrase that is traditionally used and everyone knows that they are "near-human"- it is a point that scientists probably feel need not be explicitly made. For people who are trying to educate the public about how similar non-human great apes are to humans, it is probably useful to use the phrase "near-human apes". My review of the biomedical literature suggests that for articles about the ethics of using non-human great apes in research, it is probably not unusual to find the term "near-human apes". However, most of these articles are not available online and many of them are editorials and commentaries rather than peer-reviewed articles.
898:, as it only adds to the confusion that is already rife (most native English speakers don't distinguish between monkeys and apes, let alone non-native speakers). As to the terminology, "near-human" is rarely used. It may be apposite in the ethical contexts, but otherwise does not seem quite right. It seems to suggest that humans are a reference point or some evolutionary target for other apes, which may be a widespread conception, but is bad evolutionary thinking - i.e. it promotes a teleological (goal-oriented) image of how evolution works that is entirely false. 158: 584:"there should be substantially increased funding for studies on great ape anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, neurobiology, cognitive functions, behavior, and ecology. All such research should be done following ethical principles like those currently used in human studies. Much can also be learned in the course of providing outstanding medical care, as has been the case for humans. Increased knowledge about ape phenomes will likely be helpful for understanding some human diseases" 142: 276: 214: 371: 266: 350: 245: 831:. Note: the Humane Society "guidelines" are basically a call for "an official ban on the use of nonhuman apes in biomedical research and testing in the United States". This Humane Society webpage has some figures for the number of chimps used in U.S.A. research, and cites a A 2001 report from the Secretary of Health and Human Services to Congress. It also points to: 460: 439: 470: 567:
saying 3,100 Great Apes are living in captivity in the U.S., which includes laboratories, so 1,300 sounds about right though we should find a source (which shouldn't be hard to find), assuming it's great apes that's meant. If it's primates, it's many more: there are 15,000 macaques in the U.S. alone
775:
Most biologists know that humans are apes and they simply distinguish between humans and non-human apes. Near-human is ambiguous. How near? Biologists usually make a distinction between "lesser apes" and "great apes". There is much more research on great apes than on lesser apes and "non-human ape"
968:
Since lesser apes have also been banned from experimentation by Austria, humans are also great apes, and because only ape experimentation is banned, not total ape research, (research on wild apes is still allowed) it would be more accurate to title this article "Non-human ape experimentation bans"
912:
One question that I'd like to have answered: how does this ban effect the sorts of NON invasive research (cognition studies, language instruction attempts, etc) that are more about understanding apes (and secondarily, the ape origins of human activity) than they are about medivcal testing, etc. Is
716:
of published journal articles suggests that "near-human Primates" is not a commonly used term in the scientific literature. A search for {"near-human" Primates} returns 31 articles, many of which include phrases such as "near human habitations" and "DNA near human telomeres". There have been a few
624:
Well, in a Google search for "near-human primates research" vs "great apes research", the latter term is superior in terms of hits (1+ million vs 500). However, most of the articles using the term "great apes" are popular media, whereas the term "near-human primate" is almost exclusively used in
600:
It sounds like the term "Great Apes" in this article (and a large fraction of related articles) could be replaced with the term "near-human Primates", which is more precise in definition, less emotive, and more commonly used in scientific circles. Any thoughts on
642:
I get very different search results. Near-human primate: 5, and the plural: 12. Great ape: 289,000, and the plural: 871,000. Near-human primates research: 0. Great ape research: 108. Do you have any sources showing near-human primate is used by scientists?
135: 150: 834:
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (2001). Public Law 106-551 Chimpanzee Health Improvement, Maintenance and Protection Act: Report to Congress regarding number of chimpanzees and funding for care of chimpanzees.
828: 44: 171: 827:, but I could not find an actual set of ethical guidelines that uses the term "near-human primate". Others animal advocacy groups use "nonhuman" in their suggested guidelines, example: 184: 625:
academic debate. To put it another way, if a University was publishing Animal Ethics guidelines, they would tend to use the term "near-human primates" as opposed to "great apes".--
894:
Following my previous comment - I can see now that the picture is a part of the whole template. I'd hate to remove the template, but I feel that something should be changed.
488: 492: 1012: 411: 24: 738:. This later article also talks about "captive great apes" in the abstract. In the body of the article, "great ape" is used 11 times and "non-human" is used twice 421: 800:
Wow - I'm very impressed by the effort you've gone through, and you've convinced me. I withdraw my previous statements regarding G.A vs N.H.P. *tips hat to
1017: 1007: 79: 1027: 997: 913:
that still allowed in those countries or has it been banned too or is it a non-issue as non-US ape research hasn't tended to be of this sort anyway?
532: 522: 332: 322: 387: 1032: 191: 1002: 1022: 949: 85: 823:
seems to use "nonhuman primate" for its ethical guidelines. There are some animal rights groups that use "near-human primate", for example:
992: 939:
I heard last year on the radio that Spain adopted laws granting great apeas rights. Can't give you more info but check out this website:
920: 497: 378: 355: 298: 198: 664:
Surely. Animal Ethics guidelines here refer to them as "near-human primates", not great apes, which is more open to interpretation.--
969:
instead (or maybe "Countries banning experimentation on non-human apes"). Unless anyone has any objections, I'll move this article.
177: 99: 30: 483: 444: 289: 250: 104: 20: 940: 74: 225: 65: 165: 978: 957: 928: 902: 876: 808: 794: 668: 629: 605: 558: 850: 953: 611:
If it's more commonly used by scientists, we should definitely be using it too. Do you have any sources on that?
126: 924: 109: 713: 231: 778:
Is the conduct of medical research on chimpanzees compatible with their rights as a near-human species?
745:. Searches for {"non-human" apes ethical} and {"non-human" apes ethics} each return about 28 articles. 974: 945: 916: 693: 647: 615: 572: 55: 899: 757:
Successful treatment of idiopathic dilated cardiomyopathy in an adult chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes)
386:
on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
297:
on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
838:
I tried to find this "Report to Congress" (above) online, but failed. I did find these webpages:
70: 748:
A search of the Entrez Pubmed database for {"great apes" research} finds 390 articles including
729:
Studies on reproductive endocrinology in non-human primates: application of non-invasive methods
824: 780: 759: 749: 739: 732: 718: 51: 970: 690: 644: 612: 569: 475: 281: 941:
http://www.releasechimps.org/mission/end-chimpanzee-research/country-bans/#axzz1qDpMajAH
873: 801: 791: 555: 578:"Thoughts on the Future of Great Ape Research" by Edwin H. McConkey and Ajit Varki in 986: 861: 805: 665: 626: 602: 383: 786:
is an example of an article in the database, but I have never heard of the journal
727:
A search of the Entrez Pubmed database for {non-human apes} returns 2021 articles.
856: 820: 843: 275: 689:
I'm happy to see it changed, but you'll have to produce some sources. Cheers,
465: 271: 783: 762: 752: 742: 735: 721: 565: 370: 349: 265: 244: 755:. Most of the articles are about results from research using apes such as 294: 125: 896:
An article on great apes can't be illustrated by a picture of a non-ape
459: 438: 886:
The picture should be changed, as it does not depict a great ape!
869:{"nonhuman" apes ethical guidelines} gets about 900 Google hits. 867:{"near-human" apes ethical guidelines} gets about 90 Google hits. 588:
There is a great ape research ban in germany since 1991 (source:
554:"approximately 1300 individuals currently in US labs" Source? -- 495:. Please visit the project page for details or ask questions at 731:
is a recent example that has "non-human primates" in the title
141: 717:
published articles about the use of apes in research (such as
207: 15: 487:, which recommends that medicine-related articles follow the 724:) that probably have used the phrase "near-human Primates". 149: 589: 582:, Vol 309, Issue 5740, 1499-1501 , 2 September 2005. 772:{great apes} 565 articles {lesser apes} 26 articles 382:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of 293:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of 33:for general discussion of the article's subject. 491:and that biomedical information in any article 25:Countries banning non-human ape experimentation 489:Manual of Style for medicine-related articles 197: 157: 8: 592:). That`s why I added Germany to that list. 433: 344: 239: 213: 211: 829:The Humane Society of the United States 435: 346: 241: 1013:High-importance Animal rights articles 183: 7: 935:Spain restricts primate exploitation 821:U.S.A. National Institutes of Health 714:search of the Entrez Pubmed database 481:This article is within the scope of 376:This article is within the scope of 287:This article is within the scope of 498:Knowledge talk:WikiProject Medicine 396:Knowledge:WikiProject Animal rights 230:It is of interest to the following 23:for discussing improvements to the 1018:WikiProject Animal rights articles 399:Template:WikiProject Animal rights 14: 1008:List-Class Animal rights articles 908:What about non-invasive research? 815:Ethics Guidelines and Legislation 1028:Mid-importance medicine articles 998:High-importance Primate articles 493:use high-quality medical sources 468: 458: 437: 369: 348: 274: 264: 243: 212: 45:Click here to start a new topic. 770:{"non-human" ape} 2006 articles 527:This article has been rated as 416:This article has been rated as 327:This article has been rated as 1033:All WikiProject Medicine pages 825:Americans for Medical Progress 809:08:32, 10 September 2005 (UTC) 708:Biomedical Research Literature 695:08:29, September 9, 2005 (UTC) 649:04:59, September 9, 2005 (UTC) 617:02:05, September 8, 2005 (UTC) 574:02:05, September 8, 2005 (UTC) 507:Knowledge:WikiProject Medicine 307:Knowledge:WikiProject Primates 1: 1003:WikiProject Primates articles 877:15:49, 9 September 2005 (UTC) 795:13:52, 9 September 2005 (UTC) 669:08:10, 9 September 2005 (UTC) 630:02:18, 9 September 2005 (UTC) 606:01:57, 8 September 2005 (UTC) 559:02:23, 1 September 2005 (UTC) 510:Template:WikiProject Medicine 390:and see a list of open tasks. 310:Template:WikiProject Primates 301:and see a list of open tasks. 42:Put new text under old text. 1023:List-Class medicine articles 979:08:43, 7 November 2019 (UTC) 903:02:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC) 844:1997 study on chimp research 993:List-Class Primate articles 50:New to Knowledge? Welcome! 1049: 958:11:38, 26 March 2012 (UTC) 929:12:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC) 533:project's importance scale 422:project's importance scale 333:project's importance scale 526: 453: 415: 379:WikiProject Animal rights 364: 326: 259: 238: 80:Be welcoming to newcomers 768:{near-human} 41 articles 851:year 2000 Senate report 890:Template + terminology 402:Animal rights articles 220:This article is rated 75:avoid personal attacks 564:I have a source here 123:Find medical sources: 100:Neutral point of view 590:http://www.eceae.org 484:WikiProject Medicine 290:WikiProject Primates 105:No original research 857:NIH chimp sanctuary 596:Great Apes vs NHPs? 226:content assessment 129: 86:dispute resolution 47: 948:comment added by 931: 919:comment added by 862:Chimp legislation 568:in laboratories. 547: 546: 543: 542: 539: 538: 513:medicine articles 432: 431: 428: 427: 343: 342: 339: 338: 206: 205: 128:Source guidelines 127: 66:Assume good faith 43: 1040: 960: 914: 515: 514: 511: 508: 505: 478: 473: 472: 471: 462: 455: 454: 449: 441: 434: 404: 403: 400: 397: 394: 373: 366: 365: 360: 352: 345: 315: 314: 313:Primate articles 311: 308: 305: 284: 279: 278: 268: 261: 260: 255: 247: 240: 223: 217: 216: 215: 208: 202: 201: 187: 161: 153: 145: 131: 95:Article policies 16: 1048: 1047: 1043: 1042: 1041: 1039: 1038: 1037: 983: 982: 966: 950:194.210.255.207 943: 937: 910: 892: 884: 879: 817: 788:Between Species 710: 598: 552: 512: 509: 506: 503: 502: 476:Medicine portal 474: 469: 467: 447: 418:High-importance 401: 398: 395: 392: 391: 359:High‑importance 358: 329:High-importance 312: 309: 306: 303: 302: 282:Primates portal 280: 273: 254:High‑importance 253: 224:on Knowledge's 221: 121: 116: 115: 114: 91: 61: 12: 11: 5: 1046: 1044: 1036: 1035: 1030: 1025: 1020: 1015: 1010: 1005: 1000: 995: 985: 984: 965: 964:Moving article 962: 936: 933: 909: 906: 891: 888: 883: 880: 871: 868: 865: 864: 859: 853: 847: 816: 813: 812: 811: 771: 769: 709: 706: 705: 704: 703: 702: 701: 700: 699: 698: 697: 696: 678: 677: 676: 675: 674: 673: 672: 671: 655: 654: 653: 652: 651: 650: 635: 634: 633: 632: 619: 618: 597: 594: 587: 583: 576: 575: 551: 550:September 2005 548: 545: 544: 541: 540: 537: 536: 529:Mid-importance 525: 519: 518: 516: 480: 479: 463: 451: 450: 448:Mid‑importance 442: 430: 429: 426: 425: 414: 408: 407: 405: 388:the discussion 374: 362: 361: 353: 341: 340: 337: 336: 325: 319: 318: 316: 299:the discussion 286: 285: 269: 257: 256: 248: 236: 235: 229: 218: 204: 203: 118: 117: 113: 112: 107: 102: 93: 92: 90: 89: 82: 77: 68: 62: 60: 59: 48: 39: 38: 35: 34: 28: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 1045: 1034: 1031: 1029: 1026: 1024: 1021: 1019: 1016: 1014: 1011: 1009: 1006: 1004: 1001: 999: 996: 994: 991: 990: 988: 981: 980: 976: 972: 963: 961: 959: 955: 951: 947: 942: 934: 932: 930: 926: 922: 921:72.93.175.208 918: 907: 905: 904: 901: 897: 889: 887: 881: 878: 875: 870: 863: 860: 858: 854: 852: 848: 845: 841: 840: 839: 836: 832: 830: 826: 822: 814: 810: 807: 803: 799: 798: 797: 796: 793: 789: 785: 782: 779: 773: 766: 764: 761: 758: 754: 751: 746: 744: 741: 737: 734: 730: 725: 723: 720: 715: 707: 694: 692: 688: 687: 686: 685: 684: 683: 682: 681: 680: 679: 670: 667: 663: 662: 661: 660: 659: 658: 657: 656: 648: 646: 641: 640: 639: 638: 637: 636: 631: 628: 623: 622: 621: 620: 616: 614: 610: 609: 608: 607: 604: 595: 593: 591: 585: 581: 573: 571: 566: 563: 562: 561: 560: 557: 549: 534: 530: 524: 521: 520: 517: 500: 499: 494: 490: 486: 485: 477: 466: 464: 461: 457: 456: 452: 446: 443: 440: 436: 423: 419: 413: 410: 409: 406: 393:Animal rights 389: 385: 384:animal rights 381: 380: 375: 372: 368: 367: 363: 357: 356:Animal rights 354: 351: 347: 334: 330: 324: 321: 320: 317: 300: 296: 292: 291: 283: 277: 272: 270: 267: 263: 262: 258: 252: 249: 246: 242: 237: 233: 227: 219: 210: 209: 200: 196: 193: 190: 186: 182: 179: 176: 173: 172:ScienceDirect 170: 167: 164: 160: 156: 152: 148: 144: 140: 137: 134: 130: 124: 120: 119: 111: 110:Verifiability 108: 106: 103: 101: 98: 97: 96: 87: 83: 81: 78: 76: 72: 69: 67: 64: 63: 57: 53: 52:Learn to edit 49: 46: 41: 40: 37: 36: 32: 26: 22: 18: 17: 967: 944:— Preceding 938: 911: 895: 893: 885: 866: 837: 833: 818: 787: 777: 774: 767: 756: 747: 728: 726: 711: 599: 586: 579: 577: 553: 528: 496: 482: 417: 377: 328: 288: 232:WikiProjects 194: 188: 180: 174: 168: 162: 154: 146: 138: 132: 122: 94: 19:This is the 915:—Preceding 31:not a forum 987:Categories 971:RockingGeo 691:SlimVirgin 645:SlimVirgin 613:SlimVirgin 570:SlimVirgin 222:List-class 874:JWSchmidt 802:JWSchmidt 792:JWSchmidt 556:JWSchmidt 88:if needed 71:Be polite 21:talk page 946:unsigned 917:unsigned 784:12085928 763:15766214 753:16136111 743:15750292 736:15750292 722:12085928 504:Medicine 445:Medicine 304:Primates 295:Primates 251:Primates 178:Springer 143:Cochrane 56:get help 29:This is 27:article. 900:Ariosto 882:Picture 601:this?-- 580:Science 531:on the 420:on the 331:on the 228:scale. 166:OpenMD 136:PubMed 855:2002 192:Wiley 84:Seek 975:talk 954:talk 925:talk 819:The 806:inks 781:PMID 760:PMID 750:PMID 740:PMID 733:PMID 719:PMID 666:inks 627:inks 603:inks 412:High 323:High 185:Trip 159:Gale 151:DOAJ 73:and 804:*-- 790:.-- 523:Mid 199:TWL 989:: 977:) 956:) 927:) 872:-- 849:A 842:A 765:. 712:A 54:; 973:( 952:( 923:( 846:. 535:. 501:. 424:. 335:. 234:: 195:· 189:· 181:· 175:· 169:· 163:· 155:· 147:· 139:· 133:· 58:.

Index

talk page
Countries banning non-human ape experimentation
not a forum
Click here to start a new topic.
Learn to edit
get help
Assume good faith
Be polite
avoid personal attacks
Be welcoming to newcomers
dispute resolution
Neutral point of view
No original research
Verifiability
Source guidelines
PubMed
Cochrane
DOAJ
Gale
OpenMD
ScienceDirect
Springer
Trip
Wiley
TWL
content assessment
WikiProjects
WikiProject icon
Primates
WikiProject icon

Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.

↑