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No worries, I have kept the image (and also added it to the lead of the separate article). I've moved the image of the map. I've moved some content that I find too detailed here, given that there is a separate article. I think from the section called "salvage" further content ought to be moved to the
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Past tense should be used. This is very clear and any other opinion is biased. Furthermore, the article suffers from an alternation of past and present tense. "Is" and "was" alternate in the text. This is really annoying. Let's face it, the ship is gone and it's a pity but its gone and it took a
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Tomorrow or Monday it should be in a dry dock. Shortly afterwards the flag will come down, the AIS transmitter which reports position will be turned off, and it will cease to be of navigational interest. (Press interest, however, is likely. Expect photos.) Give this issue a week.
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