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than a neighborhood with no obvious geographic/geologic boundaries. It might be due to the fact that City Island was once a town in
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I'm cool with that idea. In fact, I first got involved here when I noticed that there was no "City Island" article, and I started it (I live there). I entirely missed the fact that there already was a "City Island, New York" (or perhaps, "City Island (New York)" article. Somebody later came along
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Yes, I'm familiar with the Queens example. That's a good point. The Queens example, I believe, is actually descened from the old town structure of New York state (where "towns" are equivalent to "townships" in most other states). I think at this point the post office doesn't care, because everything
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Although the census bureau (and the USPS) may disagree, it is common usage to write "City Island, NY" in postal addresses. Perhaps this is because all of City Island is served by a single post office, called "City Island
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parentheses, since it avoids confusion with U.S. cities, and there a quite a few cases where geographic features straddle state boundaries. We have a long-established tradition of U.S. and
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One of the final scenes in "Riding in Cars with Boys" (2001) is shot on City Island. It's at a house trailer in a boat yard north of the bridge. Its one of the last scenes. It involves getting a signature on some papers. (I have not seen that movie since 2001. I cannot recall much of the scene
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If there are links for all the yacht clubs then as long as you included all of them there wouldnt be a COI as long as you werent promoting any of them but just listing links. If there is only a link for one of them then this is still the best available information. This would be a benefit to the
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a silly idea, as it is commonplace within urban areas for natural islands to be converted into penninsulas (by filling in with rock and soil) as well as for peninsulas to be cut by canals and thus turned into islands. And in both such cases, there is no clear pattern regarding the naming of such
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A similar thing happens in Queens, where each of the neighborhoods were towns/villages/etc in Queens County before they got gobbled up into "Greater New York". People in Queens still tend to use "Forrest Hills, NY", "Jamaica, NY", "Long Island City, NY", etc, as their postal address, instead of
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That makes sense, but I guess the next question is, "What is the City Island article about?". Is it about the community, or is it about the geographical feature? I think it's really about the community. Given your (quite reasonable) arguments, I'd say that the City Island article should be
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Hmmm. I was just trying to help, but it seems I stepped into a minefield by accident. I saw an inconsistency, asked for advice (on the helpdesk page, which you apparantly saw), and just followed that advice. In fact, I didn't even get a chance to follow the advice,
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unless there is actually a city by the name that is coincident with the island itself. Neither Hart Island or City Island should have the comma, in my opinion, since there is no such municipality as "City Island, New York". If a comma is to be used, it should be
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I have to take new ones! There are many down by the Cemetary Beach living in the rip rap wall! They measure that long from nose to tail! They are an ugly grey pink and frighteningly big! They are nocturnal.
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except that I clearly recognized the location as being on City Island.) The Internet Movie Database at IMDB.org confirms City Island as a location for this film, so this is not "original research".
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