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highly respected Muslim scholarly commentaries throughout the ages actually AGREE with the so-called "misinterpretation": turns out that was indeed the correct interpretation, at least for many Muslim scholars throughout time. I have proven this beyond any doubt. Here's a quote from one such a scholar that I linked: "Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for the girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl in marriage at this age but it is also permissible for the husband to consummate marriage with her. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to forbid a thing which the Qur'an has held as permissible." (
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The criticism originates from the critics' interpretation of Sura 65:4 of the Qur'an itself. Now the counter by defenders of the Qur'an would be that that's a misinterpretation. The critics, however, have a very strong position because other primary sources that Muslims consider authoritative, namely
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Isn't this your own work on the sources of Islam? I mean, they might be valid, but an encyclopedia is not a place to publish your own works, but a tertiary source, which only sums up points of already published work. I was not involved in these reverts, just checked them when I watched my Watchlist,
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Most of the lead section talks about moral issues. Only a short reference about the mere existence of theological criticism is mentioned. The article itself however, talks about issues within Islamic theology, such as the allegedly miraculous Quran. Would someone mind to add other criticism than
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I also decided to put quotations around the word "protection" because it seemed to be used in the way that modern american gangsters use the term. This is very culturally specific, and people unfamiliar with modern american slang would probably assume that it's meaning was the common, non-slang,
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What do you mean my own work? The sources themselvs are clear on this. You want me to link to a page of someone actually criticizing this as opposed to focusing on the particular case of criticism towards the marriage with Aisha, which already has a few links here?
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That is quite regular criticism, This line of criticism believes that believer - non-believer (Kafir) binary emanating from mainstream conservative Islamic thought distances the individuals & community from mixing up with non Muslim communities
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Ultimately this sentence was just a grammatical atrocity. Even if my edit is found to be unacceptable someone more skilled than myself needs to make sure that the new approach is more readable than the original.
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You claim that "this criticism is significantly reinforced by" the primary sources cited, and yet no evidence is provided that demonstrates these sources reinforce criticism. That's
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It was so confusing I had to click on the link to "jizya" to find out what it meant. The original sentence made it sound like the muslim ruler was paying the tax to non-muslims.
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But it is not clear what similar arguments are being discussed. I couldnt understand either. Would someone kindly update/elaborate that sentence? Regards, ā€”usernamekiran
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is tagged various improvements it can not be submitted to formal review process still I feel the article deserves more inputs for content improvement.
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It wasnā€™t easy to support Salman Rushdie in Bangladesh. Then I realised fatwas are contagious; Taslima Nasreen, theprint
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Similar arguments have been made in other countries in which Muslims are a minority, such as China, India and Russia.
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My addition has been reverted multiple times without a serious justification. As you can see, it is fully sourced:
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Here the argument seems that Muslims do not easily assimilate in local culture or avoid local cultural assimilation.
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Since as a reader you could not make out, then, may be some fine tuning is required in the sentences.
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I wasn't aware that this change was being spammed across other articles. Yes, one place is best. ~
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Request approval for following addition on improper sexual conduct with minors in Islamic sources
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Is it a good idea to have this discussion at two articles? The main discussion seems to be at
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Adequate and nuanced overview for even nonā€“ Muslim audience is expected out of the articles
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Also it was kind of a run-on sentence that needed the word "and" in order to flow properly.
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Me neither, didn't even know there is a seperate article aout criticism of Muhammad.--
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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The last sentence in the Sam Harris section of "ethics in the quran".
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Then cite the critics, not the primary sources. You didn't do that. ~
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al-Suyuti & al-Maįø„alli, Jalal & Jalal (early 16th century).
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Bookku, 'Encyclopedias are for expanding information and knowledge'
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Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge'
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Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge'
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The statement seem to be continuation of previous sentence
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Talk:Criticism of Islam
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20:37, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Bookku
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