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2000's they were notorious for their media stunts and cool software (especially Back Orifice, Back Orifice 2k, and some of Sir Dystic's cool ass NetBIOS/CIFS tools). Additionally, several members released cool electronic music. In more recent years, they've kind of fallen in the background (probably because we're all getting older, married, childed, and don't have as much time for teh Internetz). Hope that helps.
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It is irrational to kill cows. As everyone is not aware, Indian cows eat cannabis bushes on the roadside unrestricted by the laws of charlatans. Combined with a low income to the government budget from the sale of alcohol, this eliminates the effect of the prematurely killed grandfather (as well as a
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The latest effort, to be detailed at the massive annual Def Con hacking conference in Las Vegas next week, seeks to provide a foundation for messaging, file sharing and even social networking apps without harvesting any data, all secured by the kind of end-to-end encryption that makes interception
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The article seems to explain the cDc's purpose and history pretty well. They were mostly famous with the United States (and perhaps abroad) BBS culture back in the 1980's and 1990's. They wrote entertaining and often tasteless articles on a wide variety of topics. Later on in the 1990's and early
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All of the categories that this article was in are legitimate. cDc has a blog, linked from the article. It is a netlabel (several singles and albums released, also linked from the article. It is part of DIY culture, so that category is legit. It has a forum, linked from the article (so that's
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Yes, it is exactly like USA TODAY and PGA TOUR. Those articles should be in all caps, too, since those are the correct names of what the article is describing. It doesn't matter if "they are the only ones who do it;" they have the right to say how their name should be spelled, just as cDc does.
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Well, cdc guys are good American guys. While they ignore the wrongs inside their country and the wrongs forced upon other countries by their beloved country, I would not be surprised if the entire hong kong blondes story was a hoax supported by an anti-China propaganda hack-strike financed by
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Called Veilid, pronounced vay-lid, the code can be used by developers to build applications for mobile devices or the web. Those apps will pass fully encrypted content to one another using the Veilid protocol, its developers say. As with the file-sharing software BitTorrent, which distributes
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somebody added that bit about Sassy Magazine with no cite. AFAICT it's been sitting in there with no cite for all these years, and a quick googling only turns up refs to this page. If its real it should be pretty easy for someone to link to a scan or something.
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different pieces of the same content simultaneously, the network will get faster as more devices join and share the load, the developers say. In such decentralized "peer-to-peer" networks, users download data from one another instead of from a central machine.
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After 1+ years, it appears there still isn't any truly independent confirmation that the HKBs aren't a cDc prank. I'm not sure what the anonymous crackpot below is trying to say. I have edited the article to be a bit more accurate in lieu of citations.
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The stuff we have here is interesting, but to get this article up to the average Knowledge standards, could someone please give a basic explanation of who the group is, what they do, and what has made them famous early on in the article? Thanks!
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Out of curiousity, has there been any independent (non-cDc/Hactivismo) confirmation that the Hong Kong Blondes & Blondie Wong even exist? and that it isn't some cDc "social engineering of the media" project?
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Surely this isn't the same Mr. Vicious as the link directs us too? Was it a different Sid? Or did someone just slip this in? Correct me if I'm wrong... just didn't think he was so into computers.--
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If you make an article about the Cult of the Dead Cow's blog, the blog category would be relevant to that. But this article is about the organization, which is not primarily a blog.
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legit). It is a hacker magazine; this is a no-brainer. cDc also relates to politics and technology, see the article for details. I've reinstated the categories removed by
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Totally different Sid Vicious, of course (The Sex Pistols' Sid Vicious died several years before the formation of the cDc). I've edited the article to prevent confusion.
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I don't see exactly why a quote by the group isn't reliable. What they stated about Scientology clearly states their opinion on the matter.
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be released through a blog? Announced in a blog, perhaps, but not released through it. Or is "new media" like the topic of our article on
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The Hong Kong Blondes never existed. Read Joe Menn's book. Mudge admitted it to President Clinton's face. End of story. Oxblood lied.
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Okay, I lied. I'm going to revert the spelling in the article, but I won't move the article back to the correct title. --
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New media are released first through the blog, which also features thoughts and opinions of the group's members.
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about those subjects. And it is not. Something Awful is a blog but it's not listed in the blogs category. See
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Their sites appear to be down... cultdeadcow, ninjastrikeforce, goolag... somebody set up them the bomb?
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Corporate America or simply a result of the political idiocy of those guys. I like this last option best.
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should pronounce his name "ralf" like everyone else who uses that spelling. --
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