1756:"First and formost this must not turn into a public bashing. we should not spam threads in either site promoting one or the other. a public battle only hurts everyone. In the end no descision has been made final about the end state of autohotkey.com should Poly comply. it is desired to convert the current forum to PHPBB3 and lock it as a permanent archive and point autohotkey.com to this forum. but that is a premature discussion. First we have to get the domain and content ownership transfered to the AutoHotkey Foundation LLC. and then we can publicly discuss a final state. Untill such an ownersip transfer occurs things are they are is really the the only state of things that there are. we will remain 2 domains servicing the same users."
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creator of "AHK_L" (Lexikos). AHK v2 is therefore directly related to AHK_L and IS currently being considered to be official by EVERYONE here. Now, it seems to me that by denying AHK v1.1 to be "official", you are being delusional. No? Furthermore, ahkscript.org is "considered" to be official by the original creator and by the AHK_L creator. By refusing this, it seems like "putting words in the creators' mouths." If anyone feels that AHK v2 is not "official" then should not it be removed also? Anyhow, just as the case of AHK v2, whether ahkscript.org is "official" or not, it should still be (mentioned at minimum) on this wiki page.
2614:. You can relatively quickly mock up a prototype that shows how a program would function and actually demonstrate it and test it with users. It won't be fast and perhaps it won't be accurate either, but it can show if the whole idea makes enough sense to program it in another language where making a prototype would take maybe 10 or 30 times as long but where the language has other wanted properties like stability, speed, precision, platform-independence, and many others. I'm just guessing, because the bullet text is not clear at all, but that's the explanation my brain gave me. If that was the meaning, the bullet should say "
1735:"The nickel version is many of us were unhappy with forum software changes forum and site administration policies and when these oppinions were voiced entire threads were deleted as well as moderators getting stripped of priviledges. we came here, contacted chris proposed the idea of an LLC to own Autohotkey.com who agreed with the idea so long as he wouldnt be required to do anything but had some sort of emergency power if ti goes awry again. we have been applying various means of descreet preasute on Poly for some time now. he has began discussing a hand over and promised one. but the battle is on going.
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call it that. Instead, ahkscript.org was simply a way to ensure that AutoHotkey doesn't simply disappear from the internet one day and to provide a reliable place where the community could be active without censorship. And although the current build of AutoHotkey was once a fork of the original creator's version of AutoHotkey, the two branches have since been consolidated, the "fork" declared the official version, and development on the original version has ceased completely (even for bug fixes) (this happened four of five years ago). --
2217:... And the stable release is v1.1.15.00 which is AHK_L... and the Preview release is also technically AHK_L... They all link to ahkscript.org one way or another... If we are going to keep to this "idea", then it means that the preview release shouldn't be there, nor should stable release be v1.1.15.00... it should be v1.0.45.08 ... Somehow, the article is saying that ahkscript.org and AHK_L is "official"... even if we are saying it isn't... So, which way are we going here? ...
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first product ceased to exist when the second started and all that happened was that there was change of ownership. If it's the former, as is the case with a lot of open source software, one group stopped modifying the source code and another group took over the work on the product and continued using the same name. If it's the former, the original creator holds no rights to the software or its name and the new product took over the name and eventually changed it.
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2157:. In other words, each product needs to have its own article. The original meets notability guidelines while the fork (or branch as Mallett calls it) needs to create a new article, not try to co-opt this article. We place a hatnote at the top of both and point to the other. We can even mention them in the article and it can link back to the other.
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before implementing in another, more time consuming programming language." Why use AutoHotkey for prototyping, you might ask? Well, maybe if the specific program you want to prototype is close to the core of what AutoHotkey does well, such as handling hotkeys, hotstrings, contexts, windows, graphical
2591:, once in AutoHotkey and then again in C++ or Pascal. The final implementation would have to be tested anyhow; why go through the process more than once? Why would a programmer's supervisor permit such a waste of time? And why introduce the possibility of mistranslating from one language to another?
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Domain Name:AHKSCRIPT.ORG Creation Date: 2013-10-17T00:56:55Z Updated Date: 2013-12-16T03:46:20Z Registry Expiry Date: 2018-10-17T00:56:55Z Registrant Name:Registration
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Generally, I'm going to agree with Walter. My only comment would be that what determines the "official site" for a project like this would have to come down to
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I keep adding objections because the content is so objectionable on so many fronts I can simply pick more at random to add to the flaming pile of feces that you want to add. Sometimes it just better to accept the opinion of a neutral pagewatcher who edits hundreds of articles a day than to cajole and
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Not to poke at old wounds... the forking of AutoIt seems to be shrouded in fog, and maybe it's better that way. Still, those two events seem pretty significant, and one wonders if there's any chance they could be related. Eventually one stumbles across the AutoIt
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I agree that it's not the best example and a much simpler one could be used. I just added another example (QuoteSelection), mostly to have more to choose from for discussing and comparing, but "my" example isn't impressive either. I just tried to keep it understandable for most people not acquainted
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Yes, that is true. I am an administrator on both autohotkey.com and ahkscript.org. Everything has been migrated back to autohotkey.com (and should be used over ahkscript.org). That said, most ahkscript.org links now redirect to autohotkey.com anyhow. Right now, ahkscript.org is more used for the AHK
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I don't understand how something can not be official when the original creator himself (Chris
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Domain Name: AUTOHOTKEY.COM Creation Date: 29-dec-2003 Updated Date: 18-oct-2013 Expiration Date: 29-dec-2015 Registrant Name: THE SECRETARY Registrant
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has the weight of history (and search engine visibility), plus their forums are still quite active. Additionally, there has been talk on the new site forums about rapproachment between the owner of the original site and the maintainers of the new one. So, for now, I don't feel that the official site
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be sourced. The stuff about forking from AutoIt in the History section is not necessary for this article and I have removed it. Forking, in this instance, implies something other than a conceptual split of the author of this program from AutoIt in terms of programmatic aims (as previous discussion
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Also, for those of you calling ahkscript.org a "fork" of autohotkey.com, the members of the community are one and the same on each site (with exceptions obviously, such as people who have been long absent) and many are active on each site, so even though it might technically be a "fork", I wouldn't
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I somewhat agree with the point being made, but I believe that omitting the example is not the better option. It may seem like the easier lazy solution, but we canât expect the reader to understand everything offhand. Thatâs why we have links to other pages, dictionaries, simple English wiki, âthe
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I'm sorry you don't understand. Let me explain it to you by asking a question: is AHK_L a continuation of AutoHotkey or is one a fork of the other? If it's the former, a continuation, it's like a lot of programs that change ownership and I'm full of crap and should shut up. If it's the former, the
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This is why I hate Knowledge sometimes. People like you who essentially impede the evolution of any page for incorrect reasons, despite evidence enough that those reasons are false. That description was chosen in part not to create a battle with the old site, and in no way means that it is a "fan"
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Currently, both sites continue to co-exist, with the vast majority of activity occurring at ahkscript.org. The official developer has moved all download links to ahkscript.org, has updated all links in the offline documentation to ahkscript.org, and has stated that he will follow the wishes of the
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was the original AutoHotkey website that changed hands in 2010 from the original creator of AutoHotkey to a volunteer member of the community. In the past one to two years, this member (who has full ownership of the site) has began to not maintain the site, has been difficult to contact, no longer
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This article was in desperate need of some cleaning up which I have done to some extent; ultimately it should be looking at an entire rewrite but it's decent enough for now. I also removed some links and converted them to references and added Help manual references for better explanation on some
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Particularly, "The administration of the official site has had many changes over its history."; the mention of the change in administration was on the page for over a year. It is part of the reason why the official branch changed. Why is it no longer encyclopedic (a collection of information on a
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So you're saying that the fork is now more popular than the original version. Isn't that sort of like the ongoing saga of OpenOffice and a dozen other open source products? Each fork must have its own article. Each fork must show its own notability. No riding on the coattails of another version.
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I am not sure why the addition or removal of the material seems to be springing such a debate with vigour from whatever front. I am not sure, so to speak, that the somewhat coarse language is necessary here ... I don't think this is appropriate or objective at all ... Whatever the final outcome,
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If by your definition ahkscript.org is a "fan" site, then so is autohotkey.com since the two sites are essentially one and the same apart from who is in control, and hence neither site should be listed. Both provide a download page, a forum, and online documentation. But since autohotkey.com is
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and that at some point in time the two websites will be officially consolidated under the domain autohotkey.com, but until that changeover happens (which will likely take quite a while) it is important that the Knowledge page remain accurate. It's also worth mentioning that nobody owns the name
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Well, for ease of use reasons, one can easily transform an AutoIt v2 script into an AutoHotkey one. Like AutoIt v2, AutoHotkey uses a syntax similar to the Microsoft ScriptIt syntax, but AutoHotkey is way more powerful than AutoIt v2 was. AutoHotkey uses this 'simple' syntax and is open source.
753:, "every other source out there simply refers back to the official website," so apparently he/she has found a significant number. Speaking as a non-historian, I find it quite significant that non-monetization should be one of a foundation's founding principles. I have to doubt that I'm alone.
657:, "A primary source may be used on Knowledge only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." Why isn't the passage in question permitted under this standard?
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I removed the following example that didn't work (obviously, as it clears the clipboard as the first thing) and also is very fragile and poorly explained. I am moving it here to the talk pages in case someone wants to correct it, test it, and make it more robust. Also, it probably belongs on
531:... This open-source model didn't work. Sure, it got a lot of good developers to join, but it also caused a very bad bastard child to be born which turned around and not only started biting the hand that fed it but is gnawing around at about the elbow, now. Something has to be done about it.
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Because of that, I'm inclined to call the proposed addition insufficiently notable for inclusion in the article. Perhaps a one-sentence statement to the effect of "Since 2014, AutoHotKey has been supported by the AutoHotKeyFoundation, LLC" would work - it's a statement of fact that I'd feel
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Though competent at Wikitext and AutoHotkey, I'm not now "in the tech world", having retired from computer programming in 2002, prior to the first Autohotkey beta. I'm more of an "average reader", but I believe that Knowledge is largely aimed at such readers. According to
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Questions the article might answer... How can AutoHotkey be backwards compatible with AutoIt v2 without copyright infringement? Why v2 and not v3? Why compatibility with AutoIt at all? Why not a completely independent scripting language capable of achieving the same goals?
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as official site just below 1.1.13.01 / 4 May 2014; 36 days ago as last Stable release that come from the fork. Did you understood what I wrote: "the last version showed in the article square box should be changed, and last modification date should back to 5 year ago"
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AutoIt v3 uses Basic-ish syntax and is closed source. Try both, decide for yourself, both AutoHotkey and AutoIt v3 can deliver a lot. It would probably only depend on your specific need and your preferred taste or prior knowledge of syntax, which you'll use the most.
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is very bare... Why all the negative commits, a submission for deletion? Why would this subject be irrelevant or too insignificant if it has been used by companies such Dreamworks, IBM and Intel. I am not interested in any "edit war", I just was want to understand.
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things within the article; if these are not correct in implementation, please let me know. I also cleaned up the examples a little and added a couple more just to give an idea of the simplicity of the language, which is a distinguishing feature of the program.
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site. And both sites were created "by a number of enthusiasts". AHK is not a company like Mozilla, and both sites exist exclusively for "enthusiasts". But I can see that I'm discoursing with a brick wall, so I'm not going to even bother trying anymore.
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In its place in the History section I have added information about two other programmers within the AutoHotkey community who have created their own versions of the program, as these would appear to be more relevant to the article and clearly verifiable.
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I do not care about the dispute that seems to be going on in their community. So resolve this however you want, but please keep this page consistent. I expect to find the release specified in the infobox on the website specified in the infobox.
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Oh not at all, I have read through all of it. I personally just don't think this is worth the time to look into every detail. If it's disapproved, it's disapproved. I just don't think saying "flaming pile of feces" was objectively necessary.
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I do note that, in your latest response, you add an objection not previously made. You keep doing that. I don't, however, see why a discussion of a software product must exclude information about a website dedicated to its maintenance and
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I see what you mean. Ok, then I shall start a new page for AHK_L. One last thing... Shouldn't the v2 link be removed? Anyway, is it better to have a section or a new page? I don't want to confuse the readers... What do you think?
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After recently reviewing the AHK sites and community forums, I concluded that the project and community as a whole is still too much in disarray to merit a change of "official site". The development clearly is centered around the
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I noticed that most of this article's references are to AutoHotkey's own website or their forum. Relatively few of them are to independent sources. Unless the consensus is otherwise, I will flag the article with {{third-party}}.
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about the company, not a a series of straightforward, descriptive statements. If the information were of interest to anyone else in he tech world, they would have written about it, wouldn't they? Yet no cares. It's essentially a
610:. I won't be discussing other articles. And there's no need to link to me or ping me. This article is on my watchlist because of previous edit wars that have happened here due to the two sides who want to push their preferred
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is "Quick code testing before implementing in another (more time consuming) programming language." I retired from computer programming 16 years ago and many things have changed, but I can't see the point in coding a routine
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frequents the site and no longer maintains an interest in AutoHotkey, and whose words and actions implied that he may at any time shut down the site, but is not willing to pass off ownership to anybody else.
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1004:- I haven't seen any discussion of significant coverage in reliable third-party sources. If someone does have a source like that, then the following thoughts are moot - just source it to the reliable source.
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However, the former is not what the sources, or the original creator, say has happened and so it's the latter case. The sources say that AHK_L is a branch, or more correctly, a fork of the original product.
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Hi! 3O here. Just so I'm clear, the disagreement is about whether to include the information from the bulleted section at the top starting with "The administration of the official site...," correct?
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I'm sorry you hate Knowledge, but I'm not impeding the evolution of this or any page. The product page is clear and the site you want to link to is not the official page. It's fork or a fan page.
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Alternatively, we could just drop the example. The article does not need toâââindeed, cannotâââillustrate all of Autohotkey's features, and functions are one that could be omitted.
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I did read that, and that's exactly my point: ahkscript.org is not a fan site. It is one of two official sites. Here's the short story of why ahkscript.org was created, in the
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I see, understood. Thanks, much appreciated! It will be difficult to find other sources since every other source out there simply refers back to the official website... e.g.
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The information about who uses AutoHotkey in what field is not particularly pertinent in terms of an encyclopedia and should probably be removed even if it
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I agree with the "by the community, for the community" quote being somewhat promotional language, and thus unnecessary. Sure, whatever is best. ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ
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