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1045:) very confusing. The map in the lead seems implies that the scope of the project is much wider than it actually is. There is then no clear description of the project scope and the required elements of work. The background section is probably too detailed, or at least should come after the main description of works. And then the 'Existing and new infrastructure' section left me puzzling about what was relevant in it and what wasn't and it was only when I read the main Amtrak pdf that I understood what was proposed. I will have a go at creating a better summary at the start. Is there any reason not to include the map from page 4 of the main pdf source rather than the image currently used in the lead? 705: 514: 493: 758: 737: 1184:

project is proposing to add two extra tunnels, which would presumably have the same signaled capacity as the existing tunnels. Therefore, I suggest that the number be changed from 25 slots to 24 slots. Theoretically, this would permit 48 train per hour from New Jersey into Manhattan in the morning, but this capacity could likely only be realized by extra/longer platforms at Penn station (or its long proposed replacement Moynihan).

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use the new tunnel. That is a major difference between this proposal and the canceled ARC project. Also the current wording about Seacacus is misleading. As far as I know the proposal does not change how NJT uses that station. That is a difference from ARC, but not from the status quo. Maybe the Seacacus situation should be discussed in a new section comparing Gateway to ARC. --

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your last edit ("In September 2012, Schumer estimated that the project would need $ 20 million in 2013 and $ 100 million in 2014 to stop it from dying.") to say instead "In September 2012, Schumer estimated that the project would need $ 20 million in 2013 and $ 100 million in 2014, lest progress flag and the risks of cancellation rise."

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for storage. While it can be gleened that Penn Station South would be used by both AMTK/NJT for service originating in NYC heading south, it has not been specified in any of the references. Nor has there been an outline of the use of Moynihan Station, once intended for tenancy by NJT and now probably

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Article currently sais "the project would add 25 train slots during peak periods" - can someone clarify on that, please: Does it mean "25 extra train slots per hour"? Then that extra capacity would be available 24 hours a day, even if used only at peak periods. Or does it mean 25 train slots for the

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I don't want to get into an edit war here, but the first sentence should stand on its own. As currently written, it suggests that the project is a done deal, to be completed in 2020. That's far from true. Also I think it is important to mention in the introduction that Amtrak trains will be able to

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1) I came to this article hoping to learn if the new tunnel(s) would have modern height-clearance (which would allow bi-level passenger cars). I found one encouraging mention of an overpass being raised to 19', but I can't find tunnel height / clearance mentioned anywhere. Nor can Google find these

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a certain amount of funding, you are implying that without it, the project dies. If the case is not that stark, you'd choose a different word. In this case, what Schumer is saying, most precisely, is that if the project does not get the money, the risks of cancellation rise. So I'd suggest tweaking

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I have started cutting the article back to the core information. In some cases the additional detail removed from the article is available by clicking through to the relevant linked article; in other cases there is some great detail which I have cut out and which could be probably be recovered as a

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A clear statement is made that Gateway was partially spurred by ARC's cancellation and that the two have some similiar charateristics. Details are handled, partially by way of comparison, in the infrastructure section under the various subheaders. That Amtrak doesn't stop & NJT does stop at Sec

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I would suggest that this be 24 train slots. Each of the current tunnels is scheduled for 24 trains in the peak hour (i.e. one every 2½ minutes). In the morning it is through the south tunnel (arrivals into Penn) and in the afternoon it is through the north tunnel (departures from Penn). The

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Since it unwise to assume that any reader has prior knowledge, making an assumption of that prior knowledge in the lead is detrimental to the article, as is going into detail about one aspect of its subject. Amtrak is the initiator of the project, and as the 1st paragraph says, NJT will

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Not quite sure what you mean to say there -- did you accidentally omit a word or two? -- nor which of the several Wiktionary definitions you believe is relevant here. My point is that it's a waste of words to say "significant" in an intro; if it weren't so, we'd leave it until later to

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Basically he was trying to pump a little life into the project by drawing attention to it. It's worthwhile to explain why he would have made such a statement and included his estimation, so the first suggestion is better since it mentions the reason to bother keeping it the article at

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I've currently reviewed the criteria that are easy to verify and decide one way or the other. The remaining criteria will take up the majority of the general 7 days allotted for a GA nominee review. If anyone has any comments, please feel free to leave them below.

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Since this article will likely undergo many changes, I would ask that you take care with making addtions which give the impression that they are covered by the references cited, including statements which may not necessarily require one. Thanks

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I am continuing to make sense of the article and have cut out a huge amount of detail that just isn't relevant to the story and reorganised much of what remains. I am moving content to more appropriate articles where appropriate.

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As long as the material is cited in the body and not controversial, the lead doesn't necessarily need citations. In this case, all the references are in the body. This is so the lead would not be cluttered with references.

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I've finished checking most of the criteria, I just need to check the citations. However, I currently see absolutely no links to references for the first three paragraphs of the article, which may put the article on hold.

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dimensions (only a "Fourth Plan" proposal back in 2017). Does anyone know what's actually going to be built? If so, please add, and if higher, mention that the new ceiling allows Superliner cars :) -- Thanks

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Alright, thank you for the clarification. That's the only potential issue I saw with the article, so with that out of the way, I'll be finishing up the review and marking it as passed.

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directions on Amtrak is possible would probably best fall under the Hudson River Tunnel section, as would the fact that NJT can and will need to continue to use the

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https://web.archive.org/20110516141417/http://www.northjersey.com/news/state/040411_Amtrak_seeking_13B_for_Hudson_River_tunnel_planning_bridge_replacement.html

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https://web.archive.org/web/20131213223146/http://www.northjersey.com/news/transportation/Amtrak_asks_Congress_for_emergency_funding_for_flood_protection.html

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separate 'geeky' super-detail section towards the end of the article. Any thoughts? I will continue working on the article after a brief pause for comment.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20131203014428/http://www.northjersey.com/news/state/The_Source_blog_Senate_clears_15M_for_Amtrak_Gateway_tunnel_planning.html

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If you'd prefer brevity, let's go with "In September 2012, Schumer estimated that the project would need $ 20 million in 2013 and $ 100 million in 2014."

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project; this project was announced after that as a replacement. Whether or not any TIGER money is actually going into it is a good question, though.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20101124041110/http://fastlane.dot.gov/2010/10/tiger-grant-provides-final-piece-of-the-puzzle-for-moynihan-station.html

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/28/nyregion/transportation-secretary-seeks-meeting-with-cuomo-and-christie-on-hudson-river-rail-tunnels.html?_r=1

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http://www.nj.com/traffic/index.ssf/2015/09/christie_cuomo_ask_obama_for_money_to_build_new_rail_tunnel_pledge_state_funds.html#incart_river

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https://web.archive.org/web/20110513083616/http://www.dnainfo.com/20110509/midtown/new-york-awarded-350-million-for-highspeed-rail-projects

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Is the DYK above accurate? I hear on the news that Governor Christie has halted all the new Hudson River tunnel construction projects. --

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/25/nyregion/chris-christie-claims-he-will-pursue-the-trans-hudson-tunnel-project-as-president.html?_r=0

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http://archive.northjersey.com/cm/2.1593/news/officials-corporation-will-oversee-new-hudson-rail-tunnel-feds-will-split-cost-1.1454035

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seems appropriate, and does suggest that are not slight, minor, or incidental differences, which would also be mentioned if they were

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whole peak periods (morning and afternoon combined? What if the morning peak period is shorter than the afternoon peak period?)

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http://www.northjersey.com/news/051012_NJ_Transit_proposes_bypassing_Manhattan_bus_terminal_for_some_routes.html?c=y&page=1

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/10/nyregion/cuomo-says-hudson-tunnels-need-grants-not-loans-to-states-from-us.html?_r=0

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Gateway is considered to be a part of Amtrak's intention to upgrade the NEC to a high-speed line.

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