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going along with their narrative. That's a problem when your plaintiff agrees with the defendant and sinks your legal boat. The judge dismissed the plaintiff. Trump's lawyers filed a motion to for summary judgment/dismiss the case since the plaintiff was no longer involved. However, the judge allowed the case to go forward. Whereupon, Trump apparently said, either at a rally or a Sunday show, very soon thereafter, that the judge should have dismissed the case and was being "very, very, very, unfair" and biased against him because he wanted to build the wall with Mexico and the judge and/or his parents is/areMexican. That was the first questioning of the judge. The second one appears to have come later in June, 2016 came when somebody wanted the release of sealed information. Trump's lawyers opposed it, and the judge said, Why yes, let's let everybody see it. Apparently, Trump again came out with his comments, except this time the judge took a second look and realized there was a legal reason for not releasing all that sealed stuff and ordered it resealed, but maybe that train had left the station, so. . .oops.
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student, he graduated from there, and in fact was wearing
Wharton's academia hood at commencement, you then switched to wanting to be concise in the lede. The majority, if not all, sources do acknowledge that Donald Trump did indeed graduate from the Wharton School. Yet you want to obfuscate and make it appear he was merely some general studies major at Penn. He was not. What other school at Penn would give him a Bachelor of Science in Economics? If you want concise as you now claim, then you should be thrilled with having Wharton in the lede and eliminate mention of the University of Pennsylvania, since the link will in fact show the University.
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receive your diploma, and then if you feel like it, you can attend the university wide commencement, where you receive a cardboard tube for your diploma. Also, please note that the MBA is the graduate program degree, Masters in
Business Administration. It is also possible to receive a Bachelor's in Business Administration. The WashPo writer seems to not have done his/her homework. He is an alum of the school so certainly he'll be featured in the school's alum magazine. All the schools at Penn have their own alum magazines.
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without his input. On his income, I know he collects rents on buildings. He owns 40 Wall Street, for example, where he collects rents and has a 200 year lease on the land under the building from the
Hinneberg family of Germany. On who owns his buildings. All property is in pubic records of the city or town where they are located. The ownership would be listed in each. He owns certain properties personally, like his penthouse in Trump Tower. As for ownership of Trump Tower, it's likely the Trump Organization.
3168:" is 100% false. It was as claim made by Fox News and was documented as false in both the NYT and Washington Post. Like the majority of Hispanic lawyers in the US, the judge is a member of the Hispanic National Bar Association, but he has never commented publicly on the HNBA boycott or if he supports it. I have to say, comparing the Hispanic National Bar Association to the "KKK (or ISIS or the communist party)" is one of the most explicitly racist comments I have ever seen on a Knowledge talk page.
4107:. On the other hand, if you're saying the WaPo source is unreliable, then you need to provide more compelling arguments than those based on your personal knowledge. What I mean is, please provide links for your assertions. As for my comment about "misleading," I didn't suggest the Globe source was misleading; I suggested that our article might be misleading if it says that Trump went to Wharton and Wharton was just one of many schools at Penn, no different than the others. --
304:, and it advises a "reasonable" number of items instead of any particular number. In this case, 22 books strikes me as reasonable. Also, per the guideline, the list of references is too long to serve as a reading list, so some duplication is okay. Another possibility is to simply re-name the section to "Bibliography" instead of "Further reading" since different guidelines then apply (and we would not be over-burdening readers with too much reading).
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also has a photo of Trump wearing
Wharton's undergraduate academic regalia. And since I'm not inserting the facts about Penn's organization of schools, I don't need to source that. But certainly, you could source their school admissions catalogue or email them for how things work there. The first two years are spent meeting prerequisties for your school. If you have satisfactorily met the prereq, you are admitted. It is extremely competitive.
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113:, I don't think it's necessary to put a huge tag atop this high-traffic BLP, given that you haven't elaborated here at the talk page as to what you think is wrong with the "Further reading" section. Editors often have ideas about how to improve this BLP, but they don't always tag the top of the article. A couple months ago, I expanded the "further reading" section; I simply went to WorldCat and added what I found there.
422:, items in the "Further reading" section either support material in the article, or could do so. A bibliography can be defined as "a complete or selective list of works compiled upon some common principle, as authorship, subject, place of publication, or printer." So I think re-naming this section to "Bibliography" would be appropriate. If the list becomes too long, then we can start a separate article, analogous to
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them, it would not be the first time. George
Wallace never spoke about race until after lost his 1958 gubernatorial bid. Then he said "You know, I tried to talk about good roads and good schools and all these things that have been part of my career, and nobody listened. And then I began talking about niggers, and they stomped the floor." and went on to get elected governor for four terms.
693:. This raises the question, is he the sole proprietor (100%) of the Trump Organization? Or do his children (and possibly others) own a share of it? Are all his buildings owned by the Trump Organization, or some by himself separately? What about the buildings developed by his father--does he co-own them with his siblings? Do they still collect rent from those buildings?
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source, and even the commencement program, both of which also recognize Trump as a
Wharton graduate. I added the Boston Globe, which you don't think is a reliable source, showing Trump wearing his gown with the Wharton academic hood. Then you said, well it wasn't concise for the lede. You keep changing your argument. It seems to me this is really about
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highlighted the judge's ancestry, not his "race" (sic). This is a silly debate because we all know there is only one human race anyway. Finally, his daughter and son-in-law are Jewish; the EVP at the Trump
Organization is Jewish; he wants to move the US embassy to Jerusalem, the capital of Israel. If you want to look for traces of "racism", please
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immigration proposals. Trump's references to the judge's ethnicity, as well as his comments that "someone ought to look into" the judge, have led some legal experts to express concern about the effects of the comments on judicial independence. In response to the criticism, Trump and his campaign have pointed out that the judge belongs to the
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that an undergrad degree in econ from its School of Arts & Sciences is seen as more prestigious than an undergrad degree in econ from its
Wharton School. This is arguable but especially if you're an economist you tend to view any econ BSs granted by business oriented institutions as "tainted", even if that business institution is Wharton.
268:: "Most editors object to more than about half a dozen publications, but the best number for a given article depends on the specific circumstances, and may range from zero to more than a dozen." In this case, we have 22, if I recall correctly from when I added the tag. In order for the section to be as useful as possible and comply with
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20% of
Hispanic-American citizens do support Trump -- in part for such reasons. And the judge has likely had to deal with some of the most repugnant alleged criminals in the category vilified by Trump. I would reasonably presume that Judge Curiel is biased in part against Trump and in part for Trump. --
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Agree with DrFleischman. A further argument for just saying UPenn instead of
Wharton is that in common usage if someone says "I graduated from Wharton" they mean that they got an MBA from Wharton, not an undergrad degree. That's what Wharton is known for. Especially since it may very well be the case
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DrFleischman, you appear to be determined to sanitize the article of all mention to the Wharton School. First, you preferred a source that was slightly vague and seemed to suggest he wasn't really a student there but had merely taken a few courses. Then when I made an edit that shows clearly he was a
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I believe it's notable for the campaign article, but not Trump's bio. Unlike some other Trump statements, this one has already faded from the media's and the public's discourse. However if consensus is that it should be included, it should definitely be cleaned up to remove the POV verbiage and the
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It appears the thread GoUNC started before about Judge Curiel was hijacked and turned into a discussion about Vietnam. So although I probably wouldn't have renamed the thread and started a new one, I don't blame GoUNC for doing that. Can you work with them? Just a word of well-intentioned advice, the
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My advice would be to revert the BLP violation, and then try to resolve the other matter without reverting at all. Try to understand your colleague's argument and point of view, then try to come up with a creative solution that both can agree on. If that fails, there are plenty of people here willing
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I expect some people might object to this, because they think it is an insult. No, it's just actually what people are describing him as, and that should be in an encyclopedic article. If it fails to do so, it is utterly bias. This is also important given that the American Nazi party today sees Donald
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This is not the first time Trump has been forced to disavow or distance himself from anti-Semitic or white supremacist connections...Ā Leaders of his own party were publicly appalled. Trump eventually tweeted an official disavowal and blamed a faulty earpiece for his initial response. But anti-Semitic
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a.) "Trump has claimed that his net worth is over ten billion dollars, whereas in 2015 Forbes estimated his net worth at 4.5 billion, and Bloomberg estimated it at 2.9 billion, with the discrepancies due in part to the uncertainty of appraised property values. Bloomberg raised its estimate of Trump's
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guidelines -- which are about presuming predicted events coming true -- with a simple future conditional statement, which bears no relationship -- zip, zero, nada, bupkis, goose egg -- as to its likelihood. "If I were to be hit by a 100-kg meteor, I would be killed instantly" is a true statement that
1044:, I removed some material from Ā§ 'Presidential campaign, 2016', explaining, "rm 'If elected, Trump would... If elected, Trump would...' per WP:FUTURE (include future event only if almost certain to take place); Trump is NOT almost certain to be elected, so no need to mention; see Talk Ā§ Age)". In rev
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Because the lead will usually repeat information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material. Leads are usually written at a greater level of generality than the body, and
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It also raises the concern that HRC has not disclosed her own investments, as far as I know. But are presidential candidates required by law to disclose which companies they own shares in and how many? (I don't know.) To answer your question about Trump more directly, he owns a lot of buildings and a
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No, it's not well put at all. What the other schools are doing, what Obama's page is doing, are not relevant here. I've added sources that clearly identify Donald Trump as a Wharton graduate. I've even included the commencement program that shows Donald John Trump graduating from Wharton. Yes, it is
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You are right. Yale law degrees were considered undergraduate until 1971, and since then are considered graduate degrees. (The name of the degree was changed from Bachelor of Law to Doctor of Jurisprudence.) But we would not say that people who graduated before 1971 did not graduate from Yale Law
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Also, if Wharton undergrad is just another school of many at Penn, then does it have its own special admissions process or higher admissions standard? If not, is it misleading or undue emphasis to mention Wharton in the lead section? (Just because Trump himself loves to talk about his Wharton degree
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He did well there, and then went to Fordham University, a Jesuit school in the Bronx, for two years, before transferring to the University of Pennsylvania and studied economics for two years, graduating in 1968 with a bachelorās degree. He took undergraduate classes at Pennās famed Wharton School of
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I am still trying to get some comment on Trump University. Anythingyouwant recommended including the HNBA boycott in his only-visible-by-following-links edits above. I think mentioning the HNBA boycott without mentioning the reasons for the boycott would not be NPOV, and all that seems like a lot of
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Please don't restore it, as that would be disruptive. As it stands we have 2 editors making statements in favor of having this content removed from the lead section and 1 editor in favor of having it restored. If you want the content restored then gain consensus for it first. You have put attributed
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Don't change the talk page heading will you? Are the editors above suggesting that people aren't widely describing Trump as EITHER racist OR fascist? If so, maybe they can explain their thinking with evidence? Google search shows that hit rates for ""Donald Trump is a racist" (over 5m) and "fascist"
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The sentence removed today with these references said "Mainstream commentators and some prominent Republicans have viewed him as appealing explicitly to racism". It didn't say he was racist or claim to know what is in his heart. Maybe he is just saying these things to get elected and doesn't believe
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The necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis by editorial consensus. Complex, current, or controversial subjects may require many citations; others, few or none. The presence of citations in the introduction is neither required in every article nor prohibited in
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I would contend that this article requires some citations in the lead. The statement, "he also believes that the quick defeat of ISIS is mandatory" is not actually cited in the article. Trump's statements and positions on ISIS are noted with good references. I would also suggest that statements like
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As it's a co-op and co-op's are owned by the share-holder residents, it would be owned by the share-holders, nearly all of whom are residents. I don't see any reason to include images of things his father once partially owned. I live directly across the street from a Manhattan Trump building. I have
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There's no doubt that guidelines take precedence, but it seems that we disagree over our interpretation of the guideline. And while not formally a guideline, I have anyways understood there to be a general consensus in favour of that provision of the documentation. If you believe otherwise, it would
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number of publications that would help interested readers learn more about the article subject" (emphasis added). That makes it clear that these sections are not intended to be comprehensive. Rather, they are curated selections of publications that would be of interest, not a list of everything that
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Please stop. The "taking up too much real estate" is your most ridiculous argument yet. As for your new claim that you are concerned readers will think he has an MBA, the lede clearly states he has a bachelor's degree in economics from Wharton. So, I would say, that's even more reason to keep it in
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Curielās membership was disclosed in the questionnaire he submitted to the Senate Judiciary Committee when he was nominated for a seat on the federal bench in 2012. He also listed several other organizations, including a life membership in the Hispanic National Bar Assn. That group, which describes
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b.) "Estimates of Trump's net worth have fluctuated along with real estate valuations: in 2015, Forbes pegged it as $ 4 billion, while the Bloomberg Billionaires Index (which scrutinized Trump's FEC filings) estimated a net worth of $ 2.9 billion, raising its estimate to $ 3.0 billion the following
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To answer some of your questions, I believe once elected president, a candidate is expected to put their holdings in a trust and not have anything to do with the transactions due to conflict of interest. I assume, as his children are running his business now, they would simply continue to do so but
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I support keeping it in the lead. The sentence says: "Born and raised in New York City, Trump is a graduate of the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania with a bachelor's degree in economics". So it's clear about it being a bachelor's degree. Removing it would seem to imply that he's
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Wharton. Wharton says he went to Wharton. Trump says he went to Wharton. Just because Dr. Fleischmann says he didn't doesn't make it so. And btw, Dr. Fleischmann never mentioned this source you've presented. We use reliable sources. We go with what the majority say. They say Trump went to Wharton.
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You have to meet prerequisites to successfully enter the school. Apparently, his record at Fordham satisfied those requirements. There's nothing misleading about the Boston Globe article. The WashPo article is misleading, either deliberately obfuscating, or just plain sloppy work. The Boston Globe
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As I said before, mentioning the HNBA boycott without mentioning the reasons for the boycott would not be NPOV, and all that seems like a lot of detail to go into this article. There is no mention of the HNBA boycott in the Trump University Knowledge article. I would expect to see the HNBA boycott
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Here's what I've found so far, apparently sometime around the start of the year, 2016, Trump's lawyers tried to get one of the cases, I think it was the California case, dismissed, because the class action law suit plaintiff was dismissed from the case on motion from her lawyers because she wasn't
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Also, Trump (perhaps at advice of counsel) hasn't acknowledged the real possibility that the judge may also feel a bias against at least "some" illegal aliens from Mexico who've been "pushed here" by the Mexican government (to quote Trump) because they were narcotraficantes. Remember that at least
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I think the incident is probably notable enough to warrant a mention, though there must be a better way to phrase it. "Alarmed" and "expressed concern" is a fairly WEASELly wording. Who are these legal experts, and what concern did they specifically express? Getting specific here and attributing a
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Can we please cool off on the accusations? That goes not just for Gounc but for everyone. Everyone has their own personal biases. Labeling and name-calling isn't productive. And a POV tag strikes me as overkill just because some of the editors here want to add a single sentence to the lead (or two
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The first sentence, "Trump has claimed that his net worth is over ten billion dollars, whereas in 2015 Forbes estimated his net worth at $ 4.5 billion, and Bloomberg estimated it at $ 2.9 billion, with the discrepancies due in part to the uncertainty of appraised property values." has 3 refs. The
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president, and I added a tag because nowhere in the BLP is there a cite for that. Anyway, I don't think this should be in the lead at all. A similar passage was removed from the Hillary Clinton lead today on the basis that actual history should be favored over potential history. Moreover, we're
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Hmm, I've never known Knowledge to have biographies with a bibliography section (as distinct from a separate bibliography article) that includes works that are neither authored by the article subject nor are being used as references in the article (assuming I'm correct in understanding that that's
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Hmm, I've never known Knowledge to have biographies with a bibliography section (as distinct from a separate bibliography article) that includes works that are neither authored by the article subject nor are being used as references in the article (assuming I'm correct in understanding that that's
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Apparently the undergrad degree is awarded by UPenn and the grad degree by Wharton. This made me check my own undergraduate business degree (not from Wharton btw) and it says it is a awarded by the chancellor of the university on the authority of the business school. So techically it is neither
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Ok so my question isn't whether Wharton has an admissions process but whether it's different than Penn's other undergraduate schools. Or, more generally, why mention in an encyclopedia article that someone went to Wharton vs. Penn? If Trump had gone to Penn School of Arts and Sciences would we be
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I don't understand what you mean by, "just one of many schools at Penn." If you are saying that there is not distinction from graduating from one of the schools and that all degrees are from UPenn, then that is not the distinction that UPenn makes. They distinquish the schools. I'm sorry, I can't
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During campaign speeches, Trump has repeatedly called the judge currently hearing one Trump University case a "hater" and described him as "Spanish" or "Mexican." Trump's references to the judge's ethnicity, as well as his comments that "someone ought to look into" the judge, have led some legal
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Once again, the line removed from the lede today did not say Trump is racist, and it is intellectually dishonest to claim that it did. It said that there are many, many NPOV references for the fact that he has repeated said things that appeal explicitly to racists. He may just say them because he
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Your assumptions about my motives are way off, but it doesn't matter. Focus on the edit, not the editor, and try to obtain consensus for your position. I had multiple concerns about the references to Wharton. I'm rather satisfied on my verifiability concern and therefore I'm no longer contesting
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I reverted that and left the talk page note above. We should probably combine these sections. There's no such thing as graduating from UPenn. If someone told you they were a Penn graduate, you would ask them, which school? Even at graduation, you first go to the ceremony at your school where you
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During campaign speeches, Trump has repeatedly called the judge currently hearing one Trump University case a "hater" and described him as "Spanish" or "Mexican." Trump's references to the judge's ethnicity, as well as his comments that "someone ought to look into" the judge, have led some legal
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The context doesn't seem quite there. I had the impression he thought the judge was biased because he wants to build a wall with Mexico and the judge's parents are from there, though he was born in Indiana. And then he also mentioned the judge's affiliations including this one. If the context is
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Incorrect / misleading. The judge decided that there was now a compelling public interest in seeing the data due to Trump's running for President. Further, although Trump claimed that the data constituted "trade secrets" this claim was invalid since Trump University was no longer in operation
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During campaign speeches, Trump has repeatedly called the judge currently hearing one Trump University case a "hater" and described him as "Spanish" or "Mexican." Trump's references to the judge's ethnicity, as well as his comments that "someone ought to look into" the judge, have alarmed legal
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Look, first of all, we should always be saying allegedly, unless this is a direct quote. The subhead is not a direct quote, so please don't keep removing the word alleged; that makes Knowledge look bad. Now, Ryan was trying to distract the media from his picture with all-Caucasian interns. Trump
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But the Rules also likely require a judge to examine his conscience and determine whether he is indeed significantly biased in a given case -- and whether he believes he can set aside his bias while acting as judge in that case. We have some reason to think the judge has done so. Evidence: He's
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The Hispanic National Bar Association boycott was in response to the bashing by Trump. This statement is 100% true. It was in response to Donald Trump's comments regarding Mexico sending rapists and criminals to the United States, which the Hispanic National Bar Association termed "divisive and
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I must say that Dervorguilla makes a persuasive argument that the age material deals with a speculative event, contrary to Knowledge guidelines. I don't mind it in the body of the article, except that it does seem to run afoul of the rules. Ditto any material about potentially being the first
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And the source you're citing does not apply to Donald Trump, so it's WP:SYNTH. Reliable sources are what we use and that is not a reliable source. Sorry, but that is a ridiculous claim, and the so-called Wharton degree in the photo looks like an obvious fake. Reliable sources say Trump went to
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If you want to include Trump's "stated rationale" for the reason the judge is biased, then you should stick with Trump's statements, and not some WP:SYNTH theory for why he said it. The only reason Trump ever stated for the reason he thinks the Judge is bias is "He's Mexican". Republican House
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None of the well-publicized accusations about the judge's memberships (in "La Raza" etc.) have suggested any involvement beyond being a member, probably because membership itself suggests a degree of agreement and support. Most people don't say, "Joe may be a member of the KKK (or ISIS or the
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We've discussed it at length with all your concerns about the sources not agreeing he went to Wharton and perhaps he was just a general studies student at the University. Nearly every article, if not all, about Trump and his education mention Wharton. I added the Wharton School Alumni Magazine
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offers an undergraduate Bachelor of Science in Economics degree. Typically most professional schools offer undergraduate degrees: law, medicine, dentistry, music, physed, education, engineering. The Hillary Clinton article says she "earned a J.D. from Yale Law School," not Yale University,
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applies here. This edit has been stable for years. I went back to February 2011. The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania has been in the lede in every iteration from then until you changed it August 6, without discussion, without consensus. Bold, revert, discuss. You were bold, I
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explain it any better than that except to say that it appears The Boston Globe has correctly stated where Trump graduated from. The WashPo appears to have skipped over the Wharton part. Yes, he graduated from Penn; from the Wharton School at Penn. I hope that helps. I'm trying my best here.
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During campaign speeches, Trump has repeatedly called the judge currently hearing one Trump University case a "hater" and described him as "Spanish" or "Mexican." Trump initially stated that he believed the judge, who was born in Indiana, was biased against him because of his controversial
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should be included only if the event is almost certain to take place". Someone is indeed certain to get elected November 8, but Trump in particular is not certain or almost certain to get elected then. No source has been found that supports such a claim; several sources have been found that
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Naturally, it was added because of the first criterion, but now that I check, the second applies as well. Regarding the first, the template documentation notes "Most editors object to more than about half a dozen publications, but the best number for a given article depends on the specific
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Donald Trump did graduate from the Wharton School. The University of Pennsylvania is made up of schools. There's the Wharton School of Business, the Towne School of Engineering, the School of Nursing, the School of Allied Sciences, the School of Liberal Arts, and the Annenberg School of
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Can someone explain why these obvious characterizations have not already been put into this article? I just added after "Trump's political positions are widely described by the media as "populist"... - the obvious additions that he is widely described as - "racist", and "fascist".
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This education sidebar is already far more detailed than Clinton's. There is no mention of any of Clinton's degrees on her sidebar (She has a Juris Doctor degree from Yale, I have no idea what her undergrad was). This sounds like just more POV-pushing to puff up an empty suit.
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But the quote from the L.A. Times, that's not the proposed edit is it? Has anybody written an edit that would work? This going round and round is not productive at all. Somebody needs to write a proposed edit. Then we can decide, include or exclude. And give a WP rationale.
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You are so right about the timing, my mistake. As for the notability of the boycott as distinct from the comments about Curiel, I'm inclined to disagree, as the coverage of the boycott by reliable sources has been minimal and only in connection with the Curiel comments.
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So the answer to my question above is no and no and thus unrelated to the bashing. We don't include highly misleading coincidences and any suggestion to the contrary would be a quite extreme POV not suitable outside partisan attack media and sure not in compliance with
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circumstances, and may range from zero to more than a dozen." The further reading section isn't intended to be a comprehensive bibliography, so the tag was added to suggest that the section be pruned by someone more familiar with these publications than I am. Cheers,
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I am going to restore it. It is sourced, it is stable, it is not bothering anybody. Since this is BRD, it is up to you to discover that Trump did not go to Wharton and that he only graduated from the University with a general degree or whatever you now object to.
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But it's not Trump churning the waters on that. It's others who may be in trouble and want some political cover. That said, it does seem due weight to allow that para here for now, so long as it doesn't turn in to an undue litigation of the case here on his bio.
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and white nationalist rhetoric has continued to dog the candidate. Trump has been accused of knowingly whipping up racist sentiment among his supporters. He denies it but declines to explain how anti-Semitic memes keeping making their way into his own tweets.
513:, this BLP has 589 footnotes. Tagging the top of the article with a big notice declaring insufficiency of footnotes is inappropriate. If you think a particular section lacks footnotes then put the tag there, and come discuss here at the talk page. Thanks.
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itself as a nonpartisan professional organization representing the interests of Latino legal professionals, last year in a news release called for a boycott of āof all of Trump business ventures, including golf courses, hotels and restaurants.ā (LA Times)
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More than one reliable source has mentioned Curiel's ties to the Hispanic National Bar Assn., which is boycotting Trump's businesses. It seems incredibly POV to me that we would mention Trump's comments without mentioning his stated rationale for them.
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no idea what part he owns and don't care. Anyhow, most buildings that are named after him are not owned by him. It would require an ongoing effort to determine what complex relationships he has with each building as these relationships change over time.
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The HNBA is very different from the KKK or ISIS or the communist party, and I never remotely suggested otherwise. They are all organizations to which people belong, but that does make them similar in all other respects, obviously. I favor restoring
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Question - kinda: Was the judge directly involved in the HNBA boycott (other than simply being a member) and did Trump know (and mentioned) anything about it when he started bashing the judge for his ethnic? Is there any other connection other than a
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Communications. All schools have undergraduate and graduate programs. When you are admitted to the University you then choose the school. Trump did indeed receive his undergraduate degree from the Wharton School. I am going to restore the edit.
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I could go look, but I don't think it's really relevant. If a separate article about a facet of someone is acceptable, then invariably such material can go in the main BLP of that person if there's not yet enough material to justify a separate
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There are too many publications listed for this article. (Most editors object to more than about half a dozen publications, but the best number for a given article depends on the specific circumstances, and may range from zero to more than a
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So, Anythingyouwant, are you suggesting that if Donald Trump is elected President, there's a chance he WON'T be the oldest? Because that's the only way your "speculative" term makes sense, and I don't think time is as flexible as that. ----
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I'm struck by how little money - for a billionaire - appears to be involved. Investments totaling (say) $ 30 million dollars would be 1% of his net worth if that net worth were $ 3 billion - and even then, Trump could well have borrowed (on
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Knowledge guidelines and policies probably take precedence over template documentation. Here's the pertinent guideline, and it advises a "reasonable" number of items instead of any particular number. In this case, 22 books strikes me as
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As to the question of should the section show what prompted Trump. Yes, if we are going to keep this here, then what I've written here, if it meets RS, can just be used with the RS. That's not a lot and I think it would calm down this
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And no reliable source has suggested that Curiel has had any connection to the boycott beyond being a member of the HNBA. Regardless, the HNBA issue shouldn't hold up reinclusion of the content about Trump's comments about Curiel.
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He's neither. Ask Dr Ben Carson. Unless you can prove it, we need to say "allegedly". There is no proof because he's not. He's opposed to illegal immigration, which simply means he is in favor of the rule of law. He supports legal
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Accusations of "racism" are very damaging, and Knowledge is not meant to be a tabloid. We simply relay NPOV information from reliable third-party sources. If you want to rant, please find a forum. We are trying to do serious work
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of..." -- or the sentence could be rewritten) I have wikilinked Navratilova as there is only one of her. Does the Dick Clark in the article have a wikipedia article? If so it should be linked; otherwise his "fame" should be
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problem. The legal questions discussed above are interesting, but (a) the information in the section isn't relevant to those questions, and (b) Knowledge content isn't supposed to be put into articles in anticipation that it
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information in the lead section of non-controversial subjects is less likely to be challenged and less likely to require a source; there is not, however, an exception to citation requirements specific to leads.
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and there isn't space to explain finer nuances. Should the lead say "the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania" (as it currently does), or "the Wharton School", or "the University of Pennsylvania"?
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although she was an undergraduate at the Yale Law School of Yale University. There are no hard and fast rules whether someone mentions the school or the university, but we should follow ordinary usage.
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The Wharton School bit is currently being discussed here on the talk page in the thread above named "Wharton School." We haven't had any movement in a little while. Editors are encouraged to participate.
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So was Trump actually enrolled at Wharton or did he just take classes there? The sources currently cited in the article don't support enrollment at Wharton, so at a minimum they need to be sharpened up.
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a conversation that he and I were having at his user talk page, and then a subheader was removed.. I will try to insert better headers in that old section so that all conversations can continue there.
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president who is whatever. If someone wants to find out if Trump is the oldest non-incumbent GOP presidential nominee then we could include that, except I doubt any reliable source has addressed that.
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and make changes as appropriate? Portions need to be reverted, as Trump didn't graduate from Fordham, and his degree was a B.S., not a B.A. I would make these changes but I'm limited by 1RR. --
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for example. But I am not sure if political candidates have to disclose this. It would be useful if an expert here could let us know what the legal requirements are for presidential candidates.
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Business. Though he was not enrolled in Whartonās prestigious MBA program, the Spring 2007 Wharton Alumni Magazine featured Trump, with this headline, āThe Best Brand Name in Real Estate.ā
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reverted, we've discussed. Someone came along and removed it again without discussion and without responding to a request to revert himself. Someone who has never edited the page before.
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There's two proposals. Let's do both. By the way, administrators have a special responsibility, and especially need to stop the continuation of the "Fox and Friends" state of this page.
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saying that? Lots of universities have separate schools (often with separate admissions programs) but we don't mention what school the person went to. For example Barack Obama attended
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mention of Wharton in the body; but I still have concerns about neutrality which is why I'm contesting mention of Wharton in the lead section. You have not addressed these concerns. --
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supporting a boycott in public (though not in private); so all we know is that because Judge Curiel is paying his membership fees, he is indeed (passively) supporting it financially.
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there if it were noteworthy, which I don't think it is. Multiple editors have previously stated they are not in consensus with this, so posting it would not be with firm consensus.
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I still think this belongs on the campaign page. My concern is that the section will grow and become undue. It would need to be paraphrased, both his comments and the response.
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Apparently, you are merely repeating stuff that you said before, because you didn't like the replies before. See the old section that Gouncbeatduke just misleadingly re-named.
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UPenn has four undergrad schools: the College of Arts and Sciences, Penn Engineering, the School of Nursing, and the Wharton School. Transfer students may apply to any one.
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I do not know how you determined that the picture of the Wharton MBA diploma is an obvious fake. It looks a lot like the MBA diploma pictured on the UPenn bookstore website.
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two of you need to start working together a bit more productively or I wouldn't be surprised to come back in a month to see an interaction ban or a couple of topic bans. --
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has no dependence -- zip, zero, nada, bupkis, goose egg -- on its likelihood. Your gassing on about restrictive clauses has nothing to do with the probability aspects of
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of the events foreseen in paragraph 6 come to pass during this election cycle (as they have during some previous cycles). In which case, Trump would be certain
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I'm just making these suggestions here as I assume that involved editors who are keeping the article up-to-date would prefer to make the edits. Thank you,
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I wikilinked Dick Clark. I cannot fix the other problem yet because each editor is only allowed one revert per day, so feel free to fix it.
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I am no longer questioning whether Trump transferred to or graduated from Wharton.
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should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place."
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statement would be better than speaking in vague generalities about "concerns".
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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I think the connection is made by the fact that it is mentioned in the sources.
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detail to go into this article. There is no mention of the HNBA boycott in the
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probably be best to start a discussion on its talk page to have that corrected.
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3765:"Donald Trump fights to keep videos of his Trump University testimony private"
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The boycott was in response to the bashing by Trump, not the other way around.
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Have you heard the phrase "lock her up" - and (on racism) "build that wall"?
1844:"Mitt Romney says Donald Trump will change America with 'trickle-down racism'"
1792:"Paul Ryan Calls Donald Trump's Attack on Judge 'Racist,' but Still Backs Him"
1779:"Poll shows 'racist' comments about federal judge hurt Trump in Florida, Ohio"
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Yes, brilliant. Cover's it all. I think you can post it Thread's gone stale.
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The 'reasonable editor' would understand the question here to be whether the
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Stuff like this makes sense in an article on Carl Icahn. Seems trivial here.
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is a link to an article that has images of the grad and undergrad diplomas.
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Steinhauer, Jennifer; Martin, Jonathan; Herszenhorn, David (June 7, 2016).
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less a graduate of Wharton than he is of UPenn, which would be inaccurate.
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This issue came up in a campaign for the presidency of the Philippines.
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experts, who have expressed concern about the effects of the comments on
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Certainty' isn't required for 'if' statements, pretty much by definition.
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I'm going to remove the section - no one has indicated that this isn't a
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what you're suggesting). Are there any examples of that that you know of?
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what you're suggesting). Are there any examples of that that you know of?
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At least the infobox is straighforward. We can adopt the style used at
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Both events would be notable; at this time, neither one is expected. --
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The binding authority here is paragraph 6 of section 1 of article II,
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above. I propose the revised version of the second sentence below:
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I'll just remove the 'retrieved' date & be done with Mr. T. --
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Note that there is a link "Transferring into the Wharton School."
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3708:"Donald Trump Keeps Up Attacks on Judge in Trump University Case"
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Why on earth isn't the fascism side-bar being used, if anything?
188:, can you please provide a link to the policies you pasted above?
4465:("]"), which is analogical enough, and more helpful than "]". --
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I see you removed quite a bit more than the disputed content in
1831:"Ryan to Trump: 'Anti-Semitic images' have no place in campaign"
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Most RS say that Trump went to the Wharton School. Even the DP
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communist party) but it's insignificant without more evidence".
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tag for the "populist" sentence seems much more appropriate. --
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Add this to the top of the "Further reading" section whenever:
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clause is almost certain if the restrictive clause is true. --
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I disagree, Trump's comments about Curiel have hardly faded.
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Nicely done, thank you. It leaves me with just one question.
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lot of land. It might make sense to create an article called
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makes it clear to me that the Wharton material should stay:
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to my arguments and respond. I make them in good faith. --
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contradict it. So this does actually appear to be a real
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which has called for a boycott of all Trump's businesses.
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which has called for a boycott of all Trump's businesses.
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feel that he had to revert two of my edits, not just one.
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Admins enforce BLP and discourage unacceptable behavior.
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racist". The claim that the judge was ever a member in "
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Challenged, poorly sourced, removing immediately per
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4569:from the university nor from the business school.
1245:A "reasonable editor" would note your abuse of the
3609:there, then yes. I don't have a problem with it.
4615:Donald Trump wearing gown w/Wharton academic hood
4238:, I've made it as clear as I can. Try this link:
2989:I support inclusion. It is highly significant. --
941:I must support removing it from the article, per
4459:Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania
4317:Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania
3870:DelReal, Jose A.; Zezima, Katie (June 1, 2016).
3828:DelReal, Jose A.; Zezima, Katie (June 1, 2016).
3682:DelReal, Jose A.; Zezima, Katie (June 1, 2016).
1862:Fieldstadt, Elisha; Vitali, Ali (July 4, 2016).
1342:It should probably be sufficient to explain the
424:List of books by or about Hillary Rodham Clinton
3740:McConnell, Dugald; Todd, Brian (June 9, 2016).
2139:P.S. Thank you for using clear edit summaries.
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2151:) clarify: I removed part of the material per
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980:I agree that it does not belong in the lede.
4135:There's no need to repeat yourself. Please
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655:List of buildings owned by Donald J. Trump
3274:They keep coming back over and over again
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2279:: You have appropriately advised me (per
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209:to the top of the Further reading section
4105:the conflict must be described neutrally
2913:Another editor decided to copy and paste
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2041:Citation (1) lost me at "COMMENTARY". --
1977:I've edited my last comment accordingly.
1356:net worth to $ 3.0 billion in 2016, ..."
1094:: Can you propose a compromise text per
740:Trump has no interest in Trump Village.
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1842:Schleifer, Theodore (June 11, 2016).
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4173:. Not sure what the issue is, but.--
184:) 20:55, 5 August 2016 (UTC) Also,
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1816:D'Antonio, Michael (June 7, 2016).
1803:Waldman, Paul (November 25, 2015).
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3847:King, Robert (February 27, 2016).
3805:King, Robert (February 27, 2016).
3659:King, Robert (February 27, 2016).
2177:What would you propose instead? --
1613:resolve WEIGHT and NPOV issues. --
1181:to become the oldest president. --
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3706:Kendall, Brent (June 2, 2016).
2317:More concise, no conflict with
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4638:So does the undergrad diploma.
4620:Donald Trump went to Wharton.
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4757:summary of the article's
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2423:The American Conservative
581:, which absolutely fails
4443:University of New Mexico
4817:very disruptive manner.
4661:Is this not definitive?
4256:That link is broken. --
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2034:You forgot "bully",
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235:No, the tag doesn't
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4435:Columbia University
3712:Wall Street Journal
1487:Right-wing populism
1332:Martina Navratilova
958:U.S. Const. art. II
4451:Harvard University
4376:("]"), and by the
3931:User:The Wordsmith
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1796:The New York Times
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