Talk:David Cameron/Archive 3

587:'Political scientist' would normally be taken as referring to an academic career in politics, which Cameron has not had. It is plainly inaccurate as a description of his profession. That brings up the difficult issue of what exactly should be put as Cameron's profession, since he has worked in politics for all but seven years of his life. We could bite the bullet and put his profession as 'politician', but there is a sense in which this is meaningless because the space is intended for his profession outside politics. I would myself reject defining his profession as "public relations adviser" as pejorative and possibly politically biased. The better option would be working up some description based on his formal post at Carlton, "Director of Corporate Affairs". 5509:(Jack here, not logged in.) Pedro, let's not blow this out of proportion. Posting new threads at the top of the page is hardly a hanging offence. But if not corrected it can lead to all manner of confusion. This page was in a right mess before I reordered it earlier today. Hopefully it will remain OK now. On the other hand, BOLD is not licence to do anything at all. You seem to be denying WP has any such protocol, rule, guideline or consensus as that new threads go at the bottom of the page. There is such a protocol, and it's important that new editors understand that, and act accordingly. I'm disappointed that you aren't aware of that. -- 4435:, specifically that Ashcroft's wife was impressed by Cameron and saw that £20,000 was given to his leadership campaign back in 2005. I was not able to integrate this without breaking the rhythm of the text, and it seemed unnecessary to do so at the time, even a little too controversial in that Ashcroft's donations are not cleared by the Electoral Commission and repayment may be required: the party has not won its election, but Cameron has his, and if the funding is declared incorrect the accusation of illegitimacy could be levelled. I will add the new information to confirm the relevance. 3806:

Lashkar Gah base. On this occasion he promised to double bonuses paid to troops returning from Afghanistan. Cameron told reporters the payment for a six-month tour of duty would increase to £4,800, if the Conservatives would win the general election in Great Britain expected spring 2010. Speaking to a reporter of newspaper The Sun about soldiers' bonuses, he said: "The pay they get for what they do is relatively low. We want to do more to make sure our forces have a better deal. 'I'll make that a priority of my first Budget. It will happen in our first 50 days."

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from the list on the page. This would suggest that the content is objective. According to the Polish WP entry for Urszula Krupa she was a member in 2001 when the party was founded and remained so through to 2006. As to whether 'far right' means the same in Poland, the information on the party's views is available in the English League entry, although the Polish version contains more, including the accusations of anti-semitism and a summary of the close links between the party and the still more controversial

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give more information, but this ought to be resisted. Being a head of department within a company does not constitute a profession - "Director of Finance" is not a profession, although Accountant would be. I think this category is useful for those who have had other Professions - journalist for Brown or Barrister for Blair. I'm taking it out meanwhile - I am happy for anyone to add it back if we can cite a recognised profession, other than politician, to which Cameron belongs. Thanks

2287:. As I see it, that article does not assert that the party is a party of the far right. It uses terms like "nearest equivalent to the BNP" and states that "some critics" say it has "ties to the far right". The editor whose contribution I reverted tried on my talk page to rely on the title of the article, "How Europe's Media Treat the Far Right", is enough. I don't think so. Headlines often poorly summarise the material or are misleading. The editor also tried to use its listing at 31: 1759:

largely neutral time, while in fact three different journalists from three separate organisations (two of which support his party) went on record trashing him, describing his performance of his role as untrustworthy, unhelpful, evasive, dissembling, poisonous and slippery. This was his last non-political job and for someone who seeks to lead the country it is surely valuable to record this level of criticism of him in this role?

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support the claim that Cameron got a first in PPE at Oxford, but the reference says nothing of it. Personally I don't see this information as worthy of being in the lede anyway; it's a detail, and the lede is supposed to be an overview, so I would the whole sentence along with ref 2 and replace it with more useful information. Ref 31 could be changed to page 69 of Elliott & Hanning's biography.

4078: 2552:. The relevant information would then need to be condensed; I would suggest that the key points to retain are the nature of the allied parties, the significance of the realignment, illustrated as now with the quote by the EPP leader, and the use being made of the issue by the other leading parties in the UK. I agree that there should be more time for comments before any update is made. 4566:"The mother of Cameron's then girlfriend Samantha, Lady Astor, was friends with Michael Green, then executive chairman of Carlton and one of Margaret Thatcher's favourite businessmen. She suggested he hire Cameron, and Green, a mercurial millionaire, obliged. The 27-year-old was duly recruited on a salary of about £90,000 a year (the equivalent of more than £130,000 today)." 3674:"Rules of wikipedia" in terms of the Knowledge policy that we follow US copyright law in the creation of derivative works. I was stating that there is no reason under copyright rules/law why a derivative work could not be made. All it would take would be a crop of the left half of the image and a re-upload to commons under a derivative licence and the objections are resolved. 2412:

elsewhere in Europe than the UK; the League is the party given in the case of Poland. Beyond this, only five countries are mentioned in the article, suggesting that the five represent good examples of such parties. The Knowledge entry for 'Far right' itself lists the League as a party of this type. A more solid argument in favour is to be found in

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than at first appears, in that the dispute was over the post of Vice-President of the European Parliament and not the role of chairman of the group. If anyone disagrees, this information can simply be added, and I would be glad to do so. There is plenty on the matter available in his entry to anyone interested.

4513:"Conservatives should be friends of Israel because Conservatives believe in supporting democracy, defending freedom and standing up against terrorism. Israel is in the front line in the international struggle against terrorist violence and we should show solidarity with all involved in that fight. " 3250:

It is 'cuts' which are discussed here, not simply removal of the entire section. Is it not better to improve the material, weeding out any irrelevant passages on a case-by-case basis? Also, the issue raised is the quality of the material, not solely its age. If the policies remain, why not the praise

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If you can't approach the article from a neutral point of view, you should refrain from editing it. After at least three contributions here that show a clear anti-Cameron attitude and are not even remotely serious attempts to improve the article, the assumption of good faith is overcome. As a result,

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Hmm - sorry to be late to this party, but - while I agree that the Sun using hyperbolic languague doesn't necessarily deserve repetition, the overall point of that section of the still-referenced and respectable article surely stands. The current reference to his time with Carlton's PR team implies a

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Yes, they do. I was hoping to achieve just that; maybe a tone was imputed to me that wasn't there. But to say "NO" etc, aren't you throwing out the baby with the bathwater, Pedro? We do have a certain way of doing things, and it isn;t always the same way as other places, so new editors do need to

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Update: 27th October 2009, I am currently very annoyed by the opposition to changing the photograph. I was referred to this page - I think that we do need a more recent example (for which I found one where he speaks at a 'Conservatives Middle East' conference) - why can't we change it? I see no need

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I have merged the two subjects under 'Reaction to Cameron as leader', dividing the material into response from the left and right and grouping similar content. The 'Policies and views' section now reveals itself to be rather light on description of policy. Perhaps a summary of key policy areas could

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I don't have time to trawl the Guardian for new quotations. If people want to add them they can. But a bad section is still a bad section. I note that there is no criticism of Gordon Brown, despite the fact he is far more loathed than Cameron, so there's no need to have material here. If you want to

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I've just cut the section because to be quite honest it's all pap. I can see that part of it was relevant some years ago, but now it's a bit feeble. Better to start again with a mind to writing something more substantial rather than have throw-away comments to pretend this article includes criticism

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Also, Cameron is not "commenting that he is going to have a vote that will efectively take out of the ". He promised to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty if it is not in force by the time a Conservative government took office. That now looks highly unlikely. Had such a referendum been held and

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Yes, British watcher, I had a look through all users edits and I didn't think they were very useful, If there are no objections I will remove the comment from the sun editor as not noteworthy and undue weight. I dislike additions like this, even though it is totally in the bbc article, what value is

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I saw that edit earlier, as its backed up exactly by the source i think it should remain although i dont have a problem if others remove the whole sentence, Sun editors are usually making offensive comments.. its probably not noteworthy. I was far more concerned with the edit that person made to the

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Can someone please reply on David Camerons father's birthplace. Blairmore House, was a Boys Boarding school. How can someone be born at a boy's boarding school? I believe this to be a mistake but cannot find any information on his father's birthplace. --irshgrl500 15:47, 27 May 2009 (UTC)Irshgrl500

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Actually, it appears as though David's great grandfather, and great uncle's father was Jewish but their mother appears to have been a gentile. Therefore, that would dwindle the gene line down to 1/16 Jewish ancestry. Nobody should deny their "roots" but I think since David's underline lineage is NOT

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Gordon Brown is already a good article, feel free to improve it but it is already good, at this time I wouldn't like to see it destabalised in a fair article push, personally for what it is worth I would prefer it left untill after the election, this article though would benefit from a good article

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Some elements of the article are becoming rather outdated now, for instance the final part of the lede. Would there be agreement for a rewriting of the closing two sentences there, or the addition of one or two more, to mention the narrowing in the polls, the imminence of the election and the broad

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in which he makes some interesting comments on his faith. I notice that the the article has nothing on faith, not even under 'Personal life'. Any such information could of course be added there - and is at least as significant as his choice of football team - but the section is already rather full.

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I am not arguing, I am just joining in with the discussion, imo, you give too much weight to what is misleading..there is nothing misleading about the new picture at all..It is a picture of David Cameron at some meeting, he must go to thousands, all of the options are acceptable to me. What is this

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The information on the Polish government website appears to have been there since 2003, a period covering a left-wing post-communist government, a coalition government of the right and left which included the League itself, and a new conservative coalition government formed of a further two parties

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That is a different issue. My question is about whether it is fair to call the party "far right", and BritishWatcher appears to be saying that the reference to the League of Polish Families doesn't belong here at all. Cameron's position on Lisbon and on whether Britain should be in or out of the EU

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It seems to be a routine press agency story; why we are relying on this for a reference is a bit of a mystery; moreover the article states directly that the thieves lifted the bike and chain over the bollard, while the reference simply says it was a possibility. The figure of two feet is not really

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Does this section actually add anything to the article? It strikes me as raising POV issues (the suggestion that the govt tackled global economic issues in 2007/8 being particularly worthy of note). The snapshot opinion poll reference at the end of the article is also of questionable assistance -

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As I said, the guideline can be overruled if another image is judged to be superior in other respects. Copyright issues do not apply as both images are available under a free licence. "Is the picture derogatory?" No. "Is the image misleading?" Yes, especially for an image within the lead where you

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If someone was able and willing to make a derivative work that excluded the slogan you would immediately bypass objection 3 and hopefully objection 2 as well (with the slogan gone Cameron would take a more normal proportion within the frame). The only stumbling block then would be objection 1, but

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Well i looked at the image you tried adding and checked commons, i cant see any better image than the current one so it should remain the same. I agree with the comments made in the revert edit summary. Perhaps in 10 months time if he does become Prime Minister, there will be some better images we

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In the absence of any further comment I have gone ahead and updated the section according to the suggestions in my last post, with the exception being no mention of the dispute involving Edward McMillan-Scott; though this did involve a questioning of authority, the matter was less directly related

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is quite a well established figure in conservative circles, so hes probably the best to use. There is certainly a Cameronsceptic current in British conservative circles, who simply consider him a Blairite clone. If we just have critical comments from left and Labour, like Blears, it doesn't inform

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That section is very poor and the addition has made it worse, it is not very easy to read, someone should rewrite the section and remove most of what is imo mostly not notable controversy. Hazel blears said he was dithering. Really? and so on...someone else said he was like tony blair.. Or perhaps

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I basically agree. When the second quote was added, it was clearly done without reading what came before it, because it reintroduced Hitchens immediately after the sentence that introduced him. I've gone ahead and made both quotes and the paraphrased opinions all one sentence, but I did so without

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This edit has removed a good looking cite, who have they been completly discredited by? do we have to go around all the political pages removing these com res quotes? The edit left the other cite from the tabloid paper the sun and I googled the edit statement ... com res are irrelevant - they have

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Extremists currently reside in the EPP and the European Socialists-therefore in the interest of 'neutrality', a similar criticism should be added to the Gordon Brown article, 'exposing' the fact that he leads a party whose MEPs sit with crypto-Stalinists amongst others; either that or this section

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We can hold off adding the remainder to give time for more discussion. Having reread the section carefully, the relevance comes not only from Cameron's appointment of Ashcroft, but also from his relationship to Goldsmith, his comment on the non-dom issue and the fact of funding from the financial

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This section has been expanded and imo the section is actually not belonging here, it is really better fitted in the Conservative party article as non of it is really to do with funding dave cameron, imo it could all go somewhere else simply it would be better removed from here, the edit that has

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Should the criticisms be in the controversy section? The ones that have been mentioned (Hitchens, Blears) don't seem even remotely to show Cameron being involved in controversy. Perhaps, to the extent they should be saved at all, they should be moved to discussions of his leadership and political

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I did edit to remove political scientist as being incorrect. I agree that specifying politician is somewhat redundant, but at least it is factual in the interim. I also think that this category should be restricted to those who have professions - it is tempting to "invent" professions in order to

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If the intro is supposed to be a summary and a lead-in to the whole article, should the Obama thing be mentioned? It's a disputed fact that isn't really even mentioned in the rest of the article. And how does it summarize and lead in to Cameron's life? It comes off as an attempt to discredit him.

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Just to clarify, the term "Prime Minister" was no more official in Liverpool's day than in Pitt's (Liverpool gained the position 6 years after the end of Pitt's second term). "Prime Minister" was not used in any official documentation until Disraeli's time (nearly 50 years later) and not used in

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Well, Dave is the one commenting that he is going to have a vote that will efictivly take us out of the eu, these are his ideas and do have a place in this article, he is the one pushing his personal ideas and he is the one making friends with these people,I think there is a place here for daves

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This is slightly different, because that 26-point lead is (I think) the highest shown in any poll during Cameron's leadership. The poll itself appears to have been conducted according to current professional standards, but it might be a good idea to switch the link from the Sun's write up to the

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I found the article following the removal of the term 'far right' as a description of the League of Polish Families. To go over the argument again, the article was published on the BBC website yesterday and states its purpose as familiarising the reader with media treatment of far right parties

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I hope you don't mind me interleaving comments with yours - seems the best way. Referring to the numbers of the inline references carries with it the risk that if one of them is deleted, they are all renumbered, so I will try to explain in more detail. Refs 2 and 31 at the moment is supposed to

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I usually download the full details of the polls and am always entertained as to the way the headline quote by the interested party ..eg the newspaper who commisioned the poll...bears little or no reflection to the true figures within the poll.I would like to see more details from the claims of

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The opion poll information on this article is out of date following the ITV1 Leaders' debate of 15 April 2010 which has changed the dymanic of the polls. The article should be updated to reflect the challenge to the Conservatives posed by LibDem Leader Nick Clegg's performance on this debate.

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In December 2009, Cameron travelled to the province of Helmand in the south of Afghanistan, where British troops are deployed, after meeting military leaders and Afghan president Hamid Karzai in Kabul, as well as watching Afghan forces train. In Helmand he addressed the British troops at their

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The point is that IP's edit seems to be solely motivated by a desire to be disruptive. I was content to leave it with "Dave" in the right place in his full name, but after it became clear from his contributions on this page that he wasn't serious, I deleted the first time. The second reversion

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I don't think the statement that they have been consistantly anhead in the polls has altered, the fact of recent small narrowing would not be content to add to the lede but to the relevant section IMO. A section on the election, well perhaps a line or two but that is all going to be newsy and

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above. Neither is convincing. The Polish Foreign Ministry is certainly more persuasive, but was it so when Kulpa was a member, does being far right in a formerly communist country mean the same thing as it does in the West, and is a government website's characterisation of an opposition party

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about this article and he suggested the section on the polling facts and figures has also become like a list of unconnected comments, and could be in need of a small rewrite, reading these sections, controversy and polling they are not very good , have a go at it if you like, it can always be

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I have repaired link 2, I have had a look and I can't see the facts there that it is claiming to support. I have had a look for another cite to support but have been unable to find one? If this information is in this cite please let me know or has anyone got another cite to support the claim?

248:-related vandalism appearing here too, I've semiprotected the article for one week. I only heard of this controversy a few minutes ago, and happened upon the vandalism quite by accident, but the range of vandalism by new and unregistered users gives reason to semiprotect the article anyway. 4465:

sector having quadrupled in his time as leader. If we factor in the heavy interest in the issue of political funding in general, and that of the Conservatives in particular, notably by Ashcroft, the need to retain it is clear. I would suggest waiting a few days and seeing how events pan out.

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I've reverted this change. Whilst ComRes produce some polls that really do stretch the bounds of credibility, and their weighting system is rather suspect, they are still a member of the British Polling Council so we need a suitable reference to support the claim that they are "discredited".

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I'll have to dig out a cite but I distinctly remember him using the "call me Dave" line during the hustings for the Tory leadership. Since once the contest was broadened to the party membership it was down to David Davis and David Cameron he adopted Dave to differentiate him from the other

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Perhaps you are right, the section looks better now and there is no criticism section in Brown, the criticism is spread throughout the article and rebutted were relevant, I could also support removal of the section with the content, either moving to another section or deleting as required.

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David Cameron supports Britains membership of the European Union, he has stated this on many occasions. We should state Camerons views and his actions (opposing lisbon / forming the new group and saying both have been controversial), but there is no reason for a whole paragraph bashing the

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What? What is this box, when you open it it is not correct, and of what value is it even if it was corect? he is not a kiking or queen is he, in general his ancestry is irrelevent, apart from perhaps a comment in the article about his blue blood, which is alrteady there? I suggest removal.

256:) 04:56, 14 February 2009 (UTC) As an American Conservative, I was most pleased with Mr. Cameron's sound bite's that I heard in referance to your Mr. Brown, that is. Good to know that there are those on both sides of the water opposing the current trend in world thinking. "PappyGroves" USA 3329:

Transfer to other locations within the article seems a reasonable approach. The material is in fact only partially criticism of policies, and even then indirect. It is similar to the content of the section 'Reaction to his victory' and could easily be interleaved with the material there.

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If I were you, I'd wait for more opinion, but a reference to both the English and Polish versions is enough for me. That still leaves the question BritishWatcher raised about whether this should be included at all. Both arguments have their merits, and I for one would like to hear more.

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Well having a look at it, i think the Satire section should go, that basically is just about him being like blair which is already covered in the first paragraph of the controversies section. The bit about his bike being stolen should go, he was a victim of crime, hows that controversy?

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I agree - and move to change the photograph - why can't we change it for just another good example? The lime/pale green tie outfit one was taken at the Blackpool conference; and was done during the celebration event after his election to the apex of the party on the 6th Decemeber 2005 -

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that Britain has an highly ordered structure for professions; hence, why "politician" might not be considered his "profession." Still, it seems logical to those unfamiliar with this practice that his profession, that is, what he does to earn a living, should be called "politician."

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The bike story is quite a good story, I think it is well known and worthy, people like to know that normal things happen to us all, agreed though not in a section called any kind of controversy, perhaps just moved to personal life section..just above the fact that he supports aston

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The section describing Cameron's stint at Carlton could be much more detailed. It should include, for example, the wages he received as £90,000 per annum (or £130,000 in today's terms) and how he got the job via his future wife's mother. As cited in the following Guardian article:

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I support that. Although he doesn't really say that much about it, he says he is CoE and that he was confirmed at 18, but I suspect he is a weddings funerals and christenings and christmas type of non church going CoE. He is not a regular attender of a parish, as far as I know.

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Presume you mean subscription? I got the whole article when I clicked on it. There is no reason to disregard a reference merely because it is on a subscription site. In this case the reference should also give details of the article's location in the printed version of Prospect.

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Okay by me. Of course it's not without interest, but I doubt it would have found its way into Encyclopaedia Britannica. We can and should make the point about his privileged upbringing in a more elegant way than recounting details of the birthdays he was invited to as a kid.

835:. I see you did a lot of work creating the letitia dean slime article. As for the german impersonation,people are picking up on it and it is being reported, I just saw it on the 6 o'clock news. It was hilarious and the sharp intake of breath from the audience was audible. ( 2416:

at the website of the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs. As for whether the discussion of the new alliance deserves to be here, it is a highly significant political realignment taken under David Cameron's leadership and for good or ill is a reflection of that leadership.

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was a member. Finally, the question of whether the party is of the far right may be a genuinely disputable question, in which case it is our job to be as neutral as possible. I am open to calling the party a far-right party, but it needs to be sourced and conform to NPOV.

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I don't begrudge you that. I think the whole thing is funny on some level, too. I just wanted to make clear just why I had reverted him twice. I have been trying very hard not to revert more than once, but I thought this warranted an exception and wanted to explain why.

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Seriously, it's significant in showing that, at an early age, David Cameron was connected with the very wealthy. He may not have been the only classmate to be invited but that's hardly relevant; if we had biographies of others in the class, we could add it there too.

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for 9 October 2005. The fact that a press article does not have a web link does not mean it is in any way unverifiable. The article probably is online anyway: to prove it I just put the title into Google in quotes so it found the phrase, and guess what came up top?

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Here is his comment..."Agreed; there is no reason this poll was particularly notable. In fact this section needs a general trim so that it does not become a running commentary". Sam Blacketer.. Just to add it into the pot for consideration when you rewrite it.

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True, but I don't think the section can be removed entirely, because it's true that they are trying to form a new caucus. It needs rewriting to a NPOV, not removing. Also, your suggestion of adding a similar criticism to the Brown article verges on WP:POINT.

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If an allegation or incident is notable, relevant, and well-documented by reliable published sources, it belongs in the article—even if it's negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it. If it is not documented by reliable third-party sources, leave it

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There is no requirement to cite in the lede but if there are a few and they sit at content that is disputable or has previously been disputed then they are totally harmless, a few, two or three have been removed, I would prefer to keep them where they where.

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Well, don't get too carried away, although you write well, I am not enthralled that the content is actually relevant to this article and I was more looking to remove some of the coatracking than add to it to give the coatracking a weak reason to exist here.

1902:'s article states she is Mount's first cousin. The first part should be mentioned on this article as well as on Mount's. This article and hers should also state whether Cameron and his wife are cousins, or whether Mount is merely a cousin of each of them. 1680:

I don't think it is worthy of inclusion especially now the word poisonous has been added.. it carries a lot of negativity and who is he to be quoted so strongly here? I suggest the total removal of the comment from him as BLP protection and undue weight.

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is never a strong argument, in fact - yes, Blair's article does mention a schoolfriend (Lord Falconer); and as far as I know the guests at Philip Green's son's birthday party aren't Leader of the Opposition or of similarly notability. I can't say I see a

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I refer to the section Heatherdown Preparatory School where it is mentioned that Cameron accompanied the Getty family to America whilst at school. He was not the only classmate to be invited, and it seems a perfectly ordinary occurrence. I think

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I was looking and there has recently been a degree of vandalistic edits, as we run up to the election I foresee this situation deteriorating, if there is a return to destructive edits I suggest someone requests semi protecting the article.

1116:. Can we have comments from other editors please? Or shall we find out the names of all guests at Phillip Green's sons 12th birthday party and permanently record their connection to a wealthy schoolfriend also? Hardly encyclopaedic is it? 2646:

I still do not think this needs to be gone into in such detail on this page, its about the conservative party policy more than about David Cameron himself. Also why do we use the term caucus all the time and not group? Its is one of the

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The lead is only a summary of the article. If a claim in the lead is contentious, then one should proceed to the relevant text in the body of the article and investigate further. Citations within leads are just messy, and unnecessary.

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Just checked Elliott and Hanning which has him living in London until 1969, then moving to Peasemore, and that Peasemore remained the family home throughout his schooling and while he was at university. Have therefore removed the claim.

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If you are gonna do it then I would just do it, I was the only person resisting the removal of the section and British Watcher and Sam both supported the removal of the section. If there is any objection from anywhere you can blame me..

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for such a dated photograph! The lime/pale green tie outfit was taken at the Conference, at the celebration event after his election to the apex of the party on the 6th Decemeber 2005 - Why should we not change it?? O2Firth 27/10/09

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It is not Knowledge's purpose to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives. Biographies of living persons must be written conservatively, with regard for the subject's

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Because editors keep jumping the gun and adding that he's PM, even though he's not yet (a) been offered the job by the Queen, and (b) accepted it. As soon as it's added we revert. I've started warning editors on their talk pages.

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I think the CMEC file looks terrible. Cameron's shiny mouth makes it look as though he either drooled all over himself or just put down the big, greasy turkey leg he was eating and is now about to scoop out a big helping of cake.

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To be perfectly honest all this crap about the conservative party's European allies belongs on the conservative party page, not on this page about David Cameron. Anything unsourced in this article should be removed immediately.

3102:. But considering his being referred to as "Dave" is not in the same sense as, for example, Tony Blair was referred to (he is referred to as David in the House of Commons), then ths shouldn't really be included in the article. 2360:

the treaty rejected, the UK would not have been removed from the EU any more than the French or Dutch were for defeating the EU Constitution. Cameron has not yet said what a Tory government would do if the treaty is ratified. -

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issue here myself, but I think I'm generally neutral on the matter. Probably the most important question here is whether the event is sufficiently notable for inclusion; it made it into the Mail on Sunday story at least.

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I don't consider that this is a profession in keeping with the other descriptors usually applied in this category. It it also unreferenced. I would suggest deleting this, or alternatively replacing it with "Politician".

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percentages ... like how the conclusion was reached and by whom... in fact the section is more like propaganda than fact and I would prefer to see it removed .. which I suppose it will be after the next election is over.(

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I have suggested an alternative course of action by making a derivative work. That is perfectly within the rules of Knowledge and the licence on the image supports it. Is this alternative solution not acceptable to you?

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Does anyone have a better quality or more recent photo? This photo is rather dated now, it was taken around the time he won the leadership election in 2006. He certainly looks slightly different now. Any other pictures?

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from this link.."The son of a stockbroker, Cameron grew up in Sheffield's quaintest little village, Totley, before going to a preparatory school in Berkshire and onto Eton, Oxford and the notorious Bullingdon Club."

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According to one of the references here, he never said "Call me Dave"; rather, it was used mockingly to equate him with Tony Blair, who was (mis-)reported to have said "call me Tony" at his first Cabinet meeting.

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I don't really see the point, in the uk all people called david would also be known as dave, it is not really important, but hey, have you got a citation to support your comment? Call me Dave, is this a joke?

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2) Cameron takes up less than half of the image space. While this may make a good image for later in the article, for the lead image we should really have one that focusses primarily on the article subject.

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Yes,being invited to the birthday party of a friend with wealthy ancestors means....you are connected to the wealthy. Why is this of biographical interest? Does Blair's article mention his schoolfriends at

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Whilst it is entirely possible one could be born at a boarding school (say, whilst one's mother was visiting or trespassing), Ian Cameron was born in 1932 and the boarding school wasn't opened until 1947.

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primarily Jewish, the better question we should ask ourselves is: if we were to make mention of this information, what is the motivation behind it. --irshgrl500 16:01, 27 May 2009 (UTC)Irshgrl500

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Actually the political articles here are in general very newssy with lots of people insisting that they can insert whatever they desire as long as they have a trusty cite, just thinkin out loud.

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Well this article is bound to get some pretty high traffic over the next month. I thought I'd go through it with a fine tooth-comb, if nobody minds? Maybe we could work fast and get this and

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Agreed its not worth getting into an edit war over, although he was right about removing political scientist if thats what was there before, but to claim politician is redundants a little odd.

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Agreed i would support someone deleting most of the stuff which is basically just commentary on Cameron and peoples opinions. Such sections should be reserved for serious issues, not POV.

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It's a meaningless reference because it is just the local government district. Ivan's accurate birth location was given as Queen Charlotte's Hospital in Elliott & Hanning (p. 218).

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His social background may be seen as relevant, and it is comprehensively covered in 3.5.1 "Allegations of Social Elitism" - we do not need tittle tattle about his schoolfriends also.

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We already have this...Cameron is a direct descendant of Queen Victoria's uncle and predecessor on the throne, King William IV(4th great grandfather) how far should we go back?

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lol i find it amusing that people need to even try to justify listing David Camerons profession as politician.. ofcourse thats the case, theres nothing else we could put there.

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I was going to the working men's club when Cameron passed me on his bike. I said, "Hi Dave" and he replied, "Yo man, up the workers!", so I assume he likes being called Dave. (

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Depends what they are backing up. If it is to back up references to party campaigns and policies then it is fine. However for general analysis, a neutral source is preferable.

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expect them to read all the rules before editing. Complex stuff, I appreciate, but maybe a re-read of the BITE essay may help you, and trying to understand the spirit of it?

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I will take a look. The most striking feature there remains the organisation: those vast blocks of text are rather discouraging and might benefit from a little loosening up.

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My view would be that the information should stay, as above, though it does need to be brought up to date. In July there was a dispute over leadership of the group involving

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We had a few editors making new posts at the top of the page, which I've now fixed. People really need to learn to look for new discussions at the bottom of the page. --

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User Yorkshirian has added a quote from Perter Hitchens, as Hitchens is already quoted and mentioned in the article another quote seems a bit excessive, imo, any comments?

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this comment has had the word poisonous added to it today, it is in the cite, but I would like to remove it altogether, of what value is this comment from the sun editor?

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In this case the line is also long past relevance. Hazel Blears is reported as having criticised the lack of action over Nigel Hastilow's candidature; in fact Hastilow

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I am sorry to have been amusing myself with this, it is a serious business. What is there now is just not encyclopedic, I suggest total removal of Dave from the lede.

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Based on the URL of the image, I'd assume that the BBC got it from Getty images - so, no, I'd imagine it's not in the public domain. I'd love to be wrong, though...

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There are or were three quotes from one political writer, this is undue weight to his opinion. Also poor (not notable) comments are worse than no comments at all

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Perfectly ordinary? Yes, I suppose so, I was always being taken on trips to different continents by schoolfriends when I was at junior school. </IRONY: -->

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Hmm im not a huge fan of the current photo used, if there is a better one i wont object to it being changed, but will have to look at the alternatives.

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position on the eu and the people he is associating with there, actually I think daves standpoint on this should be expanded here as it is a big issue.

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Hmm im not a huge fan of the current photo used, if there is a better one i wont object to it being changed, but will have to look at the alternatives.

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must be in the public domain? Can't find any link to it on royal.gov.uk. I think it would be appropriate to include this article if licensing allows.

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that the detail of the current section may be of value in that article. Any comments on the draft text or direct changes to it are of course welcome.

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This is one option, yes there is a lot of coatracked content here imo as well, this belongs elsewhere, the party article as you say. Boldly removed.

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On 11th of May 2010, David cameron was announced as prime Minister of Great Britain. He succeeded gordon Brown, whom resigned only hours before.

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163 is rubbish too, I would say the Sun is not a good paper to link to a political comment, surely there is a strong cite for those comments? (

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I don't care what the answer is, but if we are going to say so, we need a reliable source. Yesterday I reverted a claim that it is that cited

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I believe we need a few sentences on David Camerons view on Israel. I am thinking of adding a few quotes from this article, where relevant.

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There have been umpteen rounds of mini-rows about selection details in many parties under several leaders. Knowledge is not a news service.

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conservative party article, where it mentions a possibly unreliable report and the awful edit to the article on Gordon Brown which i undid.

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The following is incorrect and should be removed: 'but spent much of hisearly life in Totley, Sheffield'. It has not been attributed.

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Someone needs to convince 92 that opinion is against him, what, shall we start a little straw poll and then the result will be clear?

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a {{WPBLP}} tag - the standard BLP warning is displayed anyway, through the WPBiography template as far as I understand it. Cheers,

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3) The slogan in the background is a little misleading. The first thing a reader of the article will see when opening the page is "

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I hope he's not going to treat us like Maggie Thatcher did. I must say, the tories have changed a little over the years though.

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At present there is only Cameron's appointment of Ashcroft making it relevant. However, a further fact remains unused, given at

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It's not a strong citation but leans me to think that it could be correct and to see if any other edits know anything more.

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What events? is this a news issue? Its a bitcoatracky imo, ill give it till tomorrow and have another look at it, regards.

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Hmmm...this sounds somewhat fraudulent, but I've heard he's called Dave in that Conservative party whistle blowing video.

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This was added to the controversy section and I removed it as being a bit newsy..I am open to being wrong, any opinions?

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So that's David's dad's mum's dad at the least. 1/8 barely merits a mention, but a direct source might shed more light.--

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Could we make this a bit more serious/cut the weak rubbish? I mean being criticised by Hazel Blears is nothing special.

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conservative parties European allies. I doubt i will find a list of labour / lib dem allies on their leaders articles.

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What has this actually got to do with the biography of Cameron? It looks like content that belongs elsewhere to me.

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Some media comments from prominent conservative writers regarding Cameron is relevent, as is the Tebbit quote IMO.

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A picture change every now and then imo refreshes an article, I can see nothing really wrong with this new pic.

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been completely discredited and didn't get anything regarding that they have been discredited? Please explain. (

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Argument is another name for discussion, and I said I made arguments. I did not say that you were arguing. ^_~

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I'm not sure how this helped though. It meant that the contest was between David Davis and David Dave. ;-)

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Would there be support for the formation of a separate section along the lines of the pages for the PM and

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We could use "(Arthur) Elwen" if the names are correctly ordered and it is the middle name that is used.

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which mentions having a childhood friend with wealthy parents I'll let it lie. I think this falls under

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That's not correct. William Pitt the Younger became prime minister in 1783 at the tender age of 24.

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learn the rules so that their stay here is pleasant and effective. That's all I was saying. --

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David Cameron's wife is expecting their fourth child, due in September. Will this be added soon?

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I think we will just have to disagree on the misleading issue. It is up to consensus to decide.

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Cool, the polls section needs a rewrite and an update as was mentioned some time ago by SamB.

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Whoever wrote this enormous section must be a master at padding. A career in politics awaits.

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Not very significant; if it needs putting in the article why not in the section on 'family'?

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I am deadly serious actually, I have also heard the press refer to Dave as "Comrade Dave". (

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pov and there is a bit of moaning from within the party, it is worthy of a little addition?

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Yes. If you consider the months further, you'll see that Cameron is younger than he was.

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William Dugdale related to which parent? Cameron, Levita, Mount, Llewellyn which family?

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Woops the image 02Firth added*. If others support changing the image then i wont oppose.

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Maybe mention it somewhere else but it seems out of place in the intro. Just a thought.

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He has not been "sowrne" in yet. Also, if you can't spell, don't update the article.

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often preferable to place images of faces so that the face or eyes look toward the text

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David Cameron is widely known as "Dave Cameron", "Davey Boy", or sometimes just "Dave".

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With no opposition so far I will be bold and begin with the section on poll ratings.

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just change the name of the section as there is nothing controversial in it at all.

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Thanks BritishWatcher, if there are no objections from anyone I will remove it later.

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Membership of the BPC means that they are transparent, not that they are any good. —

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Off of the top of my head, I think he was raised in Oxfordshire, but I am not sure.

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I have replaced it, I can't see a consensus for its wholesale removal, it might be

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Yes, wait till he has been in power a year or so and the press turn against him. (

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I do know that thanks, well, if it gets more coverage...we will see, no worries.

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As a descendant of the Levita family, Cameron is of Jewish descent? Am I right?

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The introduction should mention that Dave Cameorn is widely known as "Dave". (

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business editor Ian King described him as a "poisonous, slippery individual".

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There also seems to be a lot of links to the conservative party, is that ok? (

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I said the title on the Britannica is "DAVE Cameron", don't you see? Rrius --

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to FA, and have our very own version of the US Presidential election TFA :)

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a matter of hours after, which somewhat removes the force of the criticism.

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as evidence, but that list entry is uncited and does not accurately reflect

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weight is given to it here and I will delete it if there are no objections.

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No, I don't. I followed the link you gave, and it does not say "Dave" blue|

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Why did you remove this information? For what purpose did you remove it?

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Yeah, it's on the BBC news now. "Queen confims David Cameron is new PM".

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/feb/20/david-cameron-the-pr-years

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I also don't really mind, the new photo is not a bad photo and as I said

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Can someone please protect this as well - more unsourced speculation. --

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Uh, that's right. Are you saying that the article doesn't reflect that?

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I followed the link and it does not contain "Dave" at all. What gives? -

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File:David Cameron - World Economic Forum Annual Meeting Davos 2010.jpg

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I think that's what is known as a piece of unnoticed vandalism. Added

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this is the disputed edit,I am going to get my trout out in a minite.

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I see a few BLP issues here. Presumption in favour of privacy for one.

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I don't have any objections to this information being retained. While

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Reads fine to me, I would say it covers the big issues quite nicely.

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legislation or gaining official recognition until the 20th Century.

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The Newspaper pages I've seen it on say REUTERS/POOL underneath. --

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It's perfectly checkable; all you have to do is find a copy of the

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and their parentage? If you can find me one example of a wikipedia

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According to our articles, Cameron is younger than Addington was.

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When I, for example, talk about him, I will often refer to him as

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I thought this was a silly edit warring over the nick name. Well,

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As now PM, this article will need semi-protection beyond July 4th

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I think there is a case for this material, but not in the intro.

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Sams taken it out, I have left 92 a litle note about reverting.

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when we come to it (i.e. if vandalism recurs on/after 4 July).

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OK thanks for the info. It's just a matter of time now really.

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Thank you; I am of the same view. The section is almost ready.

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Can some please explain why this, just before the election of

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George Osbourne and the entire shadow cabinet call him Dave. (

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I propose that this section be deleted or at least re-written.

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story and that line was not pursued. Also don't know why the

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Sadly, I suspect you're quite right. However, I'd recommend

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1) Cameron is facing away from the text in this image where

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Agreed, what one newspaper editor thinks isnt very notable.

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Further debate on this continues at the bottom of the page.

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actually most of which will sit better in other articles.

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Full support for anyone willing to make the required cuts

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Jack and the spirit and ramifications of that guideline.

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I have three main concerns with the proposed new photo (

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You mean he's met the Queen and the accepted the post?

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The point is it shows that Dave is a true Labour man. (

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Hi, totley? did he? or didn't he?...I'll have a look.

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Should we make it the article's picture? Any ideas?

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Cameron impersonates Nazi in blast against ID cards.

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Politician is fine. I have added the same to Brown. (

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Yes, it looks ok and is the most recent, I like it.

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pull all comments, praise and criticism, feel free.

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