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addition, the intervenor may act as a guide and even instruct the client on 'personal grooming'! The word "interpreting" that you have changed to "intervening" in the article is actually part of a list. This list is introduced with the phrase "methods of communication involve:". So unless you are suggesting that deafblind people can only communicate if someone intervenes or makes decisions for them, then I suggest we leave it as "interpreting services such as sign language interpreters and other communication aides." The phrase "other communication aides" should cover those instances when the worker is not strictly working between two languages, such as relay interpreters and transliterators. If you would like to add a separate section about "intervening services", then please do so, but I don't feel it belongs under "communication". By the way, please remember that wikipedia is global, and different places use different terminology.
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P.s while we're on the topic, I don't think the sentence starting with "Multisensory methods" is very illuminating. What I could glean from the Tacpac article and the links there is that they use touch and hearing (for those who have residual hearing). It's doesn't seem that multisensory to me. ;) Is
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I had never heard of Tacpac before reading about it here. I get the impression that "multisensory methods" that go beyond the tactile methods described earlier in the paragraph are mainly for deaf-blind children. I can't claim any expertise. Looking at the edit histories for both articles, it looks
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I think recent edit reduced the accuracy of the sentence. Every deaf-blind person I have known who uses sign will express themselves in the same way that other signers do. It's only when others are signing to them that it becomes tactile. Thus, I think the description "supplemented by a tactile
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It seems that you have a restrictive definition of interpreting which explicitly excludes anyone who works with deafblind people. This is a peculiar definition! It is also not backed up by the sources you provide, which describe "interpreting" as one of the services an intervenor may provide. In
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with red stripes indicating deafblindness and replaced it with a generalized note about what a white cane is. I've reverted this because a see also section is not the place to be introducing new information, i.e. the info should be elsewhere. I'd have removed the note altogether, but left it for
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including each other. That is absolute nonsense...I have seen deafblind people talking just fine to each other through tactile sign, and I have talked with deafblind people myself, also in tactile sign, without the need for an intervenor. I agree with
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Easy enough to fix. Added an attribute to the link, "deafblind girl" may not be the best attribute, feel free to change it. Also added a link at the bottom referring to her story; will try to expand this to an article so the link isn't red anymore!
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perform the services of an intervenor without special training, although an intervenor may also be trained as an interpreter. I am also highly opposed to any suggestion that deafblind people need intervenors to communicate with
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