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of divorce in secular US courts, they're both still divorce, and if "successful", both end up with the parties being un-married. The topic of this article is essentially a subtopic under the broader topic of divorce; therefore, it shouldn't get parenthetical disambiguation. My only reason for filing an RM instead of being bold is that I'm not sure which of these two titles is preferable. Please indicate which title you support, and if you think either one is better than the current, please mention that as well.
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There is also khul': mutual divorce. This is seen as being initiated by the woman, but it must be accepted by the man. There are financial issues that are important in each type. Divorce may be granted by a judge under certain, relatively rare circumstances: desertion or abuse (the latter especially in Maliki law-- North Africa).
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This article contains distortions and lacks important information. For one, Talaq is not synonomous with
Divorce in Islam. Talaq is a type of divorce in Islam (with sub-types), and there are other types. It comes from the Arabic root tallaqa, meaning to set free. No, women cannot initiate this.
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violations, and is missing the bulk of material discussed in academic sources: differences between madhhabs, relationship between historical theory and practice, modern transformations of the divorce law itself, and attempts to reform divorce norms through changes in judicial procedure. I've been
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Quranic principles of divorce. As you can see from the text of the section, it cites several surahs, and in fact SÅ«rat aį¹-TalÄq is not among the explicit
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I'm replacing the description of classical jurisprudence with a summary of two entries of The Oxford
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Thanks for your work on this. I've attempted to reorganize some of the content so that the material specifically related to talaq is under that section, and isn't confused with khula. It looks like some of the material under the
Aftermath section may apply to both, so perhaps that should be
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There are a couple of Quran and hadith citations without non-primary support and a couple of unsourced sections. We could replace the primary sources banner with a more general refimprove banner ("needs additional citations for verification").
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Removing material without non-primary sourcing is fine, as is adding non-primary citations, but all WP articles should stand on their own. Please don't remove maintenance banners until there's a consensus that the issue has been resolved (see
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Let's not use website citations, since these are generally not RSs for generalizations and need to be contextualized within the spectrum of Muslim opinions. For example, the book on al-islam.org is by US-based modernist authors, while
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Islamic women may be granted divorce under certain conditions, but it doesn't explain what those conditions might be or how they vary among different schools or regions. Could someone elaborate on this?
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citations. I don't know if the title of the surah makes you think that it's the principal source of
Quranic principles for divorce, but it's not, and the article on it is not the main article on the subject. Thanks.
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links to. The content we have here is much better sourced than the content in the other article. I don't see anything from the other article needs to be added here.
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and Atheists use the same word to mean divorce). I think the article either should be deleted or make it redirects to
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