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not my opinion but theirs) you did a dance to explain why you felt it was acceptable to accuse EFF of hating white people but not AWB of hating black people, despite both pages having sources that alleges such. Specifically referencing legal systems, which are themselves bias. Playing devil's advocate for a bit: The US legal system determined Kyle
Rittenhouse and George Zimmerman acted in self defense, so why is it acceptable to have sections on top of sections explaining why some people think the ruling is bullshit or a miscarraige of justice? Why do their articles use sources that accuse them of being perpetrators or racists? The legal system also determined the murder of Emmett Till was justified, why does the entire Emmett Till article paint him as a victim of racism?
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includes sources written by historians and political scientists as well as news outlets and even (in cases like this) the subjects supporters and detractors. Indeed we already have at least one South
African political scientist who has written an entire paper on why the EFF should rather be classified as "neo-fascist." I have no objection to removing (or keeping) the "anti-white ideology" description so long as there are good citations for it and, should it be included, is well contextualized. All I was doing was trying to get clarity on what you were saying whilst pointing some problems with what you were saying and not "ignore your points." Please don't jump to conclusions. --
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news media outlets, their characterisations of the EFF need to be treated in that context. The point is not about denying far-left elements of the EFF, but rather, that there are more than simply far-left elements to the EFF, that it spans a spectrum of left to far-left, and to use
Knowledge's voice to characterise the EFF as simply far-left is inaccurate as it is not something reflected in the literature. FWIW - some of the same media sources above *not* using far-left:
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found for far-left on top of these. I think the consensus on reporting has clearly shifted since 2015 and the party is not the same as it was then. The clear vast majority of sources now refer to the party as far-left and I don't think we should be retaining some 7-year-old sources of what was rather than what is to define how the party is now.
1436:. To answer your point on this, I shall quote parts of my answer to November 2021 discussion: "We don't make a judgement of what takes place on this article, by what takes place on a different article, that's not how Knowledge works. But if you believe that racism should be included in the ideological section of the
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Because there is a lot of debate on The EFF's political position being either Far-Left or Far-Right, and the
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It is not our job to read our opinions into an article, our responsibility as editors is simply to take what reliable sources say on a particular topic. Your opinion & my opinion(s) on particular topics are actually fundamentally irrelevant beyond what the reliable sources say. You may be believe
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Complicating matters further on this issue are the sources arguing that the EFF is a fascist party that has right wing tenancies. There is even a line of argument by a minority of commentators in South Africa that the EFF is in fact a right wing party, or at least a crypto-right wing party. I haven't
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is well understood as a newspaper of the free-market right with large dollops of (right-)libertarian sympathies when it comes to individual behaviour. I never said these were invalid because of their political worldview, I simply noted that those sources' worldview colours their understanding of the
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I'll reiterate: using contemporaneous media sources is a poor substitute for specialist academic literature (and comparing the two on the basis of publication date is equally problematic especially since many of the sources "discounted" deal with the ideological origins of EFF in the ANCYL). I'd also
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I agree that, as things currently stand, the terms "anti-white racism" and "anti-indian racism" should be removed from the infobox as they are accusations and not official EFF policy. Its better left in the
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That is not in any way to say that these citations have no place in the article whatsoever, in fact, the point they are getting at is essential to discuss, but the infobox is not the place for them and the citations do not substantially back up the characterization of the party as having "anti-white
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Whether the sources were written by historians or not is irrelevent. I would argue that articles written by political scientists would be better but that is also aside the point. The point is that
Knowledge tries to distill and summarise the general public consensus on what is true on an issue, that
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As for "Derailing" you first accused an IP of making personal attacks merely by raising his opinion on the issue. When another user argues the "Anti-white racism" and "Black supremacy" labels are inaccurate since EFF rejects the accusaitons, while orgs like AWB would accept it (The latter (BS label)
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South Africa has ridiculous fringe groups on both sides, and to accuse the entire organization of hating white people because of the statements of a few of its members is odd. Again, considering my "Opinion", it's not ridiculous to assume other people's negative views of black people, perhaps yours,
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I see other articles (Such as AfriForum) rather than calling them "Neo nazis" and "WHite supremacists", it states "They are accused of these things" and then list sources and excerpts to explain why they are accused. Rather than stating an opinion as fact, it states the opinion is popular and proves
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Even considering that, why are we condemming the opinions of a group of people who have been terrorized and violated by white british colonists for hundreds of years? It is not "Racist" to hold distain for a group of people who come to your country to harm you. Profesionally speaking, we are overdue
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I want to add my voice against the "anti-white" ideology section. The first source used is from John
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I haven't "selectively decided" anything, the situation is that we've got some things included on the page that are backed-up by a large number (and variety) of reliable sources. There are some users who disagree with the inclusion of this stuff on the page, and instead of providing a justification
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In South Africa, you can be convicted for "Hate Speech" simply for referring to its own history. History of genocide and colonialism committed by white british colonists against its black natives. Julius Malema is convicted every 5 months merely for referencing history. Many of his charges, such as
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all but one of those sources you provided fall foul of part of what I spoke of. They are all bar one from 2015, only two years after the party was established and 7 years ago from now. I have provided three non-media sources within the list of 15 reliable sources I provided and I'm sure more can be
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The two sources for left-wing were fairly shortly after the party was formed and less was known about it and it had less time to develop. The sources for this claim are from 2015 and 2016. In comparison since there are far, far more sources that call the party far-left. This includes those that are
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Are you talking about the section or the mention in the infobox? The section does not mention any sources written by John
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The sources used to accuse EFF of hating white people are consistently and by multiple users shown to either be NPOV or unreliable, whoever is forcing it in might have done so in bad faith, and we as future editors are simply unaware of it and just accepting it as status quo, which is also against
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All reliable sources can confirm are statements made by individual members that could be percieve as "Anti-white" and were accused of being such. I would using better wording, or suggest removing "Anti-white racism" from ideology, and renaming the body section detailing statments as something like
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Based on my personal opinions and whatever opinions I can infer from other users, this is hellishly opinionated. I also doubt most of us are even from South Africa, so none of us truly know whats going on, even then, many SA users may be white rather than black so it is one sided. I still think it
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Which sources are more reliable and detailed? Helper201 posted only three academic sources, none of which are actually discussions about the EFF. I've posted nine academic sources which are all specific studies of the EFF. The
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I understand what you mean about reliable sources but I don't understand how this allows you to selectively decide what stays based on your opinion while squandering the opinions and educated assertations of others. I have also never said assertation = fact, I just addressed people had said these
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Apart from you, two users have made claims about the supposed NPOV of the article, one of those users made the claim 1 day after the official founding date of the EFF (27 July 2013), that is long before the sources now on the page had ever been written. The other person who made such a claim, was
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And I dont accept your accusation of me not being credible. That user who was mentioned by the IP saw what was said about him and decided for himself it was a personal attack, after you haf jump ahead to brand it as such to paint him as a bad person. Completely ingoring their arguement. You only
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From the talk page, it appears that "Anti-White racism" was not in the ideology section for about 7 years until you included it. And everytime someone questioned its inclusion you arrived to derail the conversation and justify it, repeatedly force it back in whenever it was removed. All of these
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There is reason for doubt about their classification, yes. That is why I ask for non-Israeli sources to see if there is a wider coverage of the EFF being antisemitic. It is load and clear that the EFF is creepy but the article itself does not state that the EFF is antisemitic. It is just in the
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You didn't explicitly say he was a victim, but you did suggest that Malema is somehow unfairly prosecuted for hate speech for simply to 'referring to South Africa's history'. I don't consider it a stretch of the English language or a misrepresentation of what you've said, to point out that what
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Remove the "Ant-Black" racism section because the only example for it would actually be considered an actual incident of "Anti-White racism". Would you consider a white man/woman racist against white people of they made a social media account pretending to be a black men playing into age old
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In answer to your questions about Kyle Rittenhouse, George Zimmerman, and Emmett Till, the answer is very simple: the articles are the way they are because of community consensus around what the reliable sources say. If you genuinely don't understand that, I'm happy to direct to Knowledge's
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On Knowledge, we go by what the reliable sources say, and as far as I can tell, the reliable sources on the page currently support the inclusion of "Anti-white racism" (among others) featuring on the page and in the infobox. The suggestion we should not include them based fundamentally on
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These topics are ESSENTIAL to discuss in this article but in accordance with Wikipedias NPOV policy and guidelines, they do not belong under the infobox section "ideology" and instead belong squarely in the section "Criticisms and controversies" subsection "Racial and ethnic prejudice".
2015:, looking at the page history, it seems that you're the one that keeps reverting to keep anti-white & anti-Indian racism in the infobox, as well as you being the original editor. Can you please stop reverting to defend your edit and achieve consensus before adding per
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These are also opinions, but relevant opinions. You get my point. As I'm typing this I could reel back a bit. The idea of EFF being anti-white is just a relevant opinion, not an ideology or fact. So at best it should only remain as a relevant opinion held by some people.
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The Jerusalem Post is considered reliable and neutral even with regard to Israel-related matters. However, in this instance, the source does not actually term the EFF anti-semitic—rather, this article on one press release is placed into the "antisemitism" category. Per
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The sole source linked is from The Jerusalem Post and describes the EFF as being anti-Zionist, which would make the antisemitism descriptor to be inaccurate as the material of the source doesn't support the claim. An anti-Zionist descriptor would be more appropriate.
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The same goes for the citation of a news article about someone filing a complaint or lawsuit to a SA court against the leader of the EFF accusing him of racism particularly given that as far as i can find, none of these complaints have resulted in any conclusions.
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Another example might include the way in which the EFF harnessed the will of the #feesmustfall student movement, demonstrating a leftist politics which moved fluidly from championing the rights of mineworkers to supporting access to higher
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Not only is there more known about the party and it has developed and changed in the years since these sources, I also think the sheer weight of sources specifically stating far-left rather than left-wing means that to include left-wing is giving such a claim
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are relevant here. I do not see any academic consensus that unequivocally regards the EFF as far-left; of course, media sources grounded in a world view of North Atlantic liberalism will struggle to define the EFF as anything but far-left. Regards,
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90% accepted fact. It appears that that is the case for "far left". BTW a source saying "left" might consider them to be "far left" and use "left" to include that. I wrote "weak" because I didn't take the deep dive here to learn this 100%.
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that is your opinion, which you are free to hold. However we go by what reliable sources say, and it is certainly not a fringe view amongst reliable sources to accuse the EFF of anti-white racism and by that matter, anti-Indian racism.
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Just please stop reverting and achieve consensus for your edits. Do I need to add the diffs of your adding the original text or your constant reversions? So far, I do appreciate you not reverting this time, so thank you.
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I want to expand on what I said, I support it so long as a section summarizing their publicly stated positions replaces it and there is a section describing the uncertainty around how to describe the party's political
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Antizionism is not antisemitism and I propose that we immediately remove the tag of antisemitism from their ideology. On top of that the only source is the Jerusalem Post, a newspaper with an obvious pro-Israel bias.
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But I feel like we can agree this is going nowhere. I don't think we should waste our energy with eachother since neither seem to budge. I said what I wanted to say and people will see this for a good decade or two.
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I support this as well, for every "far-left" citation there seems to also be a citation stating the party is "far-right". There is very clearly no public consensue on this issue and this should be reflected in the
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As for the claim about anti-white racism not being an ideology, that's a topic of debate. However it is not unusual on Knowledge to include key ideological positions (like anti-White racism) in an infobox, and the
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If the Eoconomic Freedom Fighters were white and had the same views, they would be listed as a white-supremacist party. Why is the fact they're a black supremacist party being removed from the ideology section?
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On the point about discussions, you and I are having a discussion right now about the subject matter. The fact that you and I are having said discussion does not pose a barrier to other users joining in.
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I have also said some users posited the sources claming anti-white racism as an ideology were "Weak". Limiting my statement ot just POV to make it seem small and insignfigant is just bad.
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Other people are able to put their opinions in if they please, since more than just both of us were making these edits I feel like there should be more people discussing things here.
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page? The idea that somehow the EFF is the only political organisation with a page on Knowledge that mentions its racism in the ideology section, is just patently inaccurate."
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I just noticed that there are already a large chunk of people removing and re-adding "Anti-White Racism" as an ideology for the EFF. Right after I did it I realized this.
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stereotypes claiming he wanted to assualt white women? That's esentially what the EFF councillor did, but pretending to be a white woman hating on black women. Allegedly.
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In their official publications, the EFF places support for Trotsky and his ideology, albeit with some criticisms. Can I add Trotskyism to the ideology info?
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addressed their arguement when another user came to repeat it. That is why I said you derailed. And you are now stuffing words into my mouth. Derailing.
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