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consistently outperforms "all other countries in the world" and achieves the "highest top scores on international math and science exams such as the PISA exam". High school students from Japan, Finland and Estonia have scored just as high or higher than some of these four in recent comparisons. It is also questionable if results on the PISA can be used to back up this statement at all. The "such as" suggests there are other comparisons with similar outcomes. If so, what are those comparisons? Otherwise, this should be changed to a simple statement along the lines of "High school students from these four countries consistently score near the top in recent PISA tests" with one reference.
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details of 'government involvement' is also needed to understand how different countries developed their economies(ie. the level of involvement from the state and private sector during industrialization would help understand the difference in development between Korea and Singapore). Missing information on ESI(Export Substitution Industrialization) as a characteristic of these four countries.
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for Asian tigers. Alternatively, rename to Four Asian Dragons, reflecting the name used by the originating countries of this economic phenomena. Google search results show 21 million for "four asian dragons," 11 million for "four asian tigers," and 58 million for "four little dragons." Google Scholar
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Organization and flow of this page is distracting. The order of placement for subsections 'cultural factors' and 'financial crisis' section seem out of place. Rather than have Cultural Factors with it's own subsection, perhaps a new subsection about overall factors for successful development of Asian
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If the lists of technologies and achievements can be reduced, the historical narrative will be easier to follow. The narrative could start from 1945 to set the stage. Much of this story also applies to Japan (almost everything in the page does, so perhaps what makes these four countries/territories
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The page reads like an essay and contains many pleonasms ("cerebral intellectual", "highest top scores", "advanced innovative world leaders in state of the art technologies", etc. It also contains several factual errors. For example, it is not true that high school students in these four countries
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Underdeveloped section on information regarding the start of industrialization and characteristics of the Four Asian Tigers. Hong Kong has specific mentions of industrialized sectors(ie textile, clothing, plastics), but not for other countries such as Singapore and Taiwan. Expansion/elaboration on
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In the "Overview" section, the two development policies, factor accumulation and macroeconomic management, should be explained thoroughly as opposed to simply being mentioned, or at least hyperlinked to a Wiki article or a separate source besides the overused World Bank report, to enrich the
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The second paragraph of the introduction offers many different theories to the reason of success of NICs but are presented in an inefficient manner. There was mention of only one institution or expert that offered a theory: a World Bank report. Other theories were suggested but not entirely
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Could "developing the cerebral intellectual abilities of their human talent, fostering and retaining their gifted geniuses" not be replaced by "education"? It reads very strange. Are a few "gifted geniuses" really more important than a highly skilled/educated workforce in general?
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The above was a response to the proposed target "Four Asian Dragons". The proposed target has since been changed to "East Asian Miracle", which I would also oppose because it represents a change in topic from the present well-defined and notable topic.
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are to blogs with data purporting to show that IQs are highest is east Asia and lowest in sub-Saharan Africa. The blogs appear to be based on the much-criticized study of Lynn and Vanhanen. We cannot use controversial claims with such a weak basis.
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Lead section summary is a little too long and detailed with information that isn't covered in the body of the article. For example, the summary discusses neoliberalization and it's related policies; but it is only briefly mentioned once in the body.
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results show 62,700 results for "four dragon economies," 56,700 for "four tiger economies," 66,900 for "four asian tigers," and 79,900 for "four little dragons". Another possible title is "Four Little Dragons" based on Google Ngram
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It also seems unlikely that 100% of Singaporeans own a smart phone (an average of 1 smart phone per citizen does not mean all citizens owns one, as many probably own two or more). At least this statement needs a proper source.
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In the introduction section of the article, the Four Asian tigers should be identified as "NICs" (newly industrialized country) since these countries are labeled by political scientists and economists.
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we see that the "dragons" usage peaked in the early 90s, and had now been displaced by "tigers". This is connected to the extension of "tiger" to fast-growing economies elsewhere in the world (
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The term was coincided by the time these four economies were still considered emerging market or developing countries dates back to 1970s and 1980s. Meanwhile, Japan was already a member of
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The lede should say what these countries have in common, and why they're grouped together with a nickname. We don't have a wikipedia page for every possible combination of four countries.
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NICS. Included with the cultural factors should be political and economic factors(ie the significance of political unrest in China in spurring foreign investment in Singapore)
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distinguished. One such reason, state intervention, has been mentioned but can be labeled otherwise as "embedded autonomy" a term explored by Peter B. Evans in his novel,
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the modified proposal. "East Asian Miracle" seems much more vague and also seems like it would have a different scope that has not been agreed as desirable. ā€”
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Agreed. Much of this overblown language was recently inserted into the introductory paragraph, completely derailing the historical summary. Per
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I have moved this material from the lead to a new "Education and technology" section, but it still needs extensive cleanup.
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for Asian tigers. The article can be restructured around the overall economic trend.
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I have again reverted the insertion of this material into the lead paragraph.
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and regarded as the only one developed country in Asia in forementioned era.
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For four asian tigers, why Japan is not in this group?
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