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infectivity attributed to those fluids (they are said to be teeming with tens or hundreds of thousands of viral copies per milliliter). The pictures published there show particles of notably varying size and shape (which could be mock-virus particles, but let's assume they are in fact infective retrovirions) that were isolated indirectly (not directly from centrifugation through sucrose density gradients as in the classical method of retrovirus isolation, which as the "A" pictures show produced much more contaminant than virus, so further processing was necessary to purify the result) and not from sexual secretions or blood or any other "highly infectious" bodily fluid freshly obtained from a seropositive individual, but from laboratory H9 and CEM cell lines, which originated in leukaemia tumors and are known to harbour and release retrovirus and retrovirus-like particles even when not infected with HIV. The H9 cell line in particular, comes from the HUT78 cell line of lymphoblasts obtained from a 50-year-old T-cell-lymphoma patient, cells infected with a retrovirus named HTLV-I according to Robert Gallo himself, a retrovirus that moreover is said to share important characteristics with HIV/HTLV-III including the molecular weight of their immunogenic proteins. All of which means such cell lines are inadequate to isolate HIV, and that is why they are explicitly excluded in the rules for reclaiming the
250:"the individual will develop a disease". If a test gives "(false) positive", and then repeats "(false) positive" five more times, then, yes, it is repeatable, but also invalid since it gave a false positive. The only way to know for sure that it is a valid test would be to compare its results with the gold standard (HIV itself), something that AIDS researchers obviously don't have since they are forced to substitute "surrogate measures" with the gold standard (HIV itself). How do you know that the alleged "HIV RNA" came from HIV? What I'm demanding here is: what did the scientist do, specifically, to harvest the alleged "HIV RNA"? It looks suspicious since if there were an HIV from which RNA could be extracted, then the "surrogate measures" wouldn't have to be relied on to "validate" the "HIV tests". --
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AIDS is solely based in correlation (and then asserted with appeals to authority and consensus). You admit as much when you write "a positive test correlates with the development of disease, and a negative test correlates with the absence of the disease". If you aren't implying that correlation implies causation, then what is the purpose of mentioning the correlation? You know as well as I that neither you nor any HIV researcher can tell me *how* HIV causes AIDS. Please show me that HIV has been grown in culture. I'd like to know who, when, and how. The record will show who has malice for whom. If you are unsure about my biases, then please visit my user page so that there is no confusion. --
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those fancy dancy wiki math function to get a number on that if we can not find a "reliable" citation. I mean, "alleged" is such a flexible word. My title was actually not completely correct, but it was not incorrect. The deaths in question were caused by AIDS directly, correct? Without effort, I can assure you the majority of death certificates (Legal documents) state the cause of death as AIDS, not "alleged harm caused by dissident views". This would be material that could be referenced if one was to goto the library.
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the first electronmicrographs of what was being called "isolated HIV" (which turned out to show a heavily contaminated population of microvesicles instead of a purified population of retrovirions). Besides, you could take
Montaigner's word that they did not purify HIV (even after "Roman efforts"), and remember that the "scientific community" also includes those scientists who do not find those conclusions "utterly convincing", so let's not make generalized statements. Also, the Perth Group
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HIV then those deaths (that are assumed to result from "HIV infection") were avoidable. 2) Assuming that HIV exists and is the cause of AIDS, it is NOT logical to claim that if people pay heed to AIDS dissidents are are convinced to stop taking anti-retrovirals and then die of AIDS then those deaths were avoidable (because AIDS is claimed to be both fatal and incurable, hence the deaths are, by definition, unavoidable). Can we agree on point #1 and also on point #2? --
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at least curious that, if HIV has been "adequately" isolated, there is still no gold standard to verify the results of the HIV tests. Anyway, this is not a forum to start arguing about these things, and
Knowledge's goal is not to try to convince anyone of anything but to present all the information in the most NPOV way and let the readers reach their own conclusions, so let's just agree that we don't agree and return to more productive work on Knowledge.
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five-year relative survival as patients in the most affluent category." If we adapt this five-year rule to the case of AIDS then deaths among people who can't access antiretroviral treatment definitely qualify as avoidable. A quick Google search will confirm that it is common for the WHO, MSF and others to refer to such deaths as avoidable.
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rate would have fallen substantially (as it has done in other countries), but in fact the death rate has risen. The difference between these two scenarios could be said to represent "avoidable deaths". However, I've not been able to find a strict definition of the term. Any experts should feel free to correct me.
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evidence that HIV is pathogenic. The fact that these researchers' names continue to appear on online lists of "dissidents", in spite of the fact that they have long since abandoned such views, points up the dangers of relying on dissident websites for an accurate list of dissidents, or estimates of their numbers.
168:"In any scientific test, repeatability is a surrogate measure of precision, and reproducability is a surrogate measure for accuracy." Nunh-huh, I think that's about the stupidest thing you've ever said. And for you, that means a lot. I'm glad your stupidity is being saved for future historians to ponder.
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I've changed my mind - I think the item should stay for now, and I've changed the source to a mainstream news story as suggested. Most likely the ICC will have to give a public response at some point, and that will be worth mentioning. If the ICC doesn't respond then the inclusion of this item should
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Agreed... doesn't the ICC have more important work to be doing? Brink et al. will be lucky if they don't give Achmat and the TAC a medal for their work. Seriously, I'd be fine with removing it until/unless the Court actually responds, or unless the "indictment" is reported by a mainstream news source
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It's not that I find "peer-reviewed literature unconvincing", it's simply that what
Trezatium referenced is not what I was looking for, and the papers you have just referenced date back to the 1980s, so they do not show anything that was not known when in 1997 a group of researchers finally published
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That may be true. However, the wiki page says that it has been proven. The page it links to says it has been proven. However, where was it proven, who proved it, how it was proven, etc... is not anywhere to be seen. It would just be a way to spruce it up a bit. This is an article about a view that is
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Let the record show that: 1) You are incapable of showing any study that indicates that HIV has been cultured. 2) You, along with all AIDS researchers, and incapable of understanding and thus explaining how HIV causes AIDS. HIV has never been isolated, much less "cultured", and if this is incorrect
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1) I repeat my request that you show me the who, when, and where of the alleged culture of HIV. 2) It's not that I am incapable of understanding how HIV causes AIDS, but so are 100% of the top HIV researchers. All they have is competing and mutually-exclusive theories about how it "may" happen. Do
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of the test - which is far more important than any of the other measures you've focussed on - is demonstrated by the fact that a positive test correlates with the development of disease, and a negative test correlates with the absence of the disease. And, of course, antibody tests can be validated by
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It's hard to actually believe that a group of pieces of shit like those paranoid excrements of well formed anii are given a platform to communicate and further spread their lies. This is the use of freedom of speach that isn't actually. If you so stronlgy believe that HIV does not lead to AIDS, then
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states, under "Links to be avoided": "Links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors." Having perused 10-15 pages, there appear to be two very active contributors at AIDSwiki and a handful of additional minor contributors. Thus, it would
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Duesberg's argument, and those who first obtain an EM image of isolated HIV from a fresh bodily fluid have a succulent Ā£10,000 reward awaiting them, so it is unlikely that those pictures have already been produced and published but the authors managed to refrain from reclaiming the money. It is also
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I agree on point #1, and would add the case of mother-to-child transmission, which is also preventable. Point #2 depends on how we define "avoidable deaths". One way to think about this is as deaths per year. Had South Africa provided widespread access to antiretroviral treatment then the AIDS death
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AIDS is both preventable and treatable. Antiretroviral treatment can prolong life for many years if not decades; the same drugs can substantially cut the chances of infant infection, thus reducing paediatric AIDS deaths. Had the South
African government, for example, not been influenced by dissident
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My question was for MastCell, but you may answer as well. Would you agree with MastCell that the notion that "paying heed to the claims of AIDS dissidents causes avoidable deaths" is one that is promulgated by the AIDS mainstream? Would you also agree that it is illogical since the mainstream also
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I think a section, as a child of the parent section "Impact beyond the scientific community" is justified on the same "allegations" you put forward. For example, "alleged harm caused by AZT" would certainly extend beyond the scope of "Impact beyond the scientific community" in terms of "allegations"
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I'm a different guy. Greetings, Yoguido! Saludos, Randroide! The one thing we must remember is to keep demanding that the mainstram show and discuss the evidence. "Burden of proof" falls on he who alleges, not upon he who questions. Don't fall into the trap of allowing the mainstream apologists
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HIV infected cells are used routinely in laboratory studies throughout the world, in many cell lines, including vero, A3.01, and U1 cells. It's how the effects of various manipulations on rate of viral replication are studied. And I'm afraid that if you are uneducated, it's not for lack of available
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Is this really worth mentioning in the history section? Anyone at all can put together some crazy accusations and mail them to the Hague; it's only worth paying attention if the court takes them seriously. Anthony Brink has no credibility and neither do his accusations. It's just a public relations
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OK, I've gone back to the section in question and added a number of references to the primary literature (via PubMed) on the isolation of HIV from semen/vaginal secretions and the epidemiological evidence for sexual transmission of HIV, to give a small sample of the evidence that the CDC, NIH, WHO,
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I think we are conflating two separate issues, and I'm only trying to exclude the one that is illogical. 1) Assuming that HIV exists and is the cause of AIDS, it is logical to claim that if people pay heed to AIDS dissidents and are convinced to enagage in unsafe sex and share needles and thus get
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That is fine, but I think we should balance that with a section on "alleged harm caused by AZT". I mean, alot of other dissidents believe toxic chemotherapy causes death too , and numbers are available if one looks for such. I do not see a similar bold section for that. We could probably use one of
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has run a series on it, it's the subject of 500+ PubMed papers, a seminar at the XVI International AIDS Conference, etc etc. Please look at the citations from this article, and the "Mainstream" external links, if you really believe you're being "diverted away" from the evidence. The burden of proof
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The "former dissidents" are pretty much cherry-picked...prob. no more than 1% have "recanted". But go on living out of touch with reality. You remind me of the people of the ship that's half-sunk still dancing on the
Titanic. Only Anthony Fauci going on TV and admitting HIV is a scam would convince
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HIV has been peer reviewed by several ( many ) of the top researchers in the world. Duesberg's list of supporters ( peers ) has grown steadily over the years - maybe just mascohists who hate money and research funds - to include an extremely impressive group ( look up
Dusesberg's site for yourself,
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I did not notice you had linked validity, forgive me. I will hereby abandon the use of "valid" and, in its stead, use "sensitivity" and "specificity" so that there is no confusion. I have in no way misconstrued your argument ("correlation implies causation") because any "evidence" that HIV causes
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The term "validity" has a specific meaning in statistics, which I linked to in case you'd care to learn it. You consistently misconstrue passages you've just read, either through inattention or malice: for example, your claim that I argued that correlation implies causation is false. I suspect you
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My point is that the article referenced just makes that statement (which is the one being questioned), and does not provide its own reference for that statement. You can't prove anything from that. Besides, it is what the medical industry says without proof that is being questioned. Redirecting to
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There is already such a section. It's titled "AIDS treatment toxicity". Since the toxicity of AIDS drugs is such a central part of the dissident argument that it already warranted its own section. The deaths in question were caused by AIDS, but are relevant because they've been deemed avoidable by
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If someone tells you that you've misconstrued their argument, you should regard it as a very big clue that you have. The correlation of a test with that which it is testing for is the very definition of validity. And your inability to understand how HIV causes AIDS is not our concern here, nor are
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I didn't address what you wrote about validity (your "correlation implies causation" argument), so we likely have a semantic problem concerning what "valid" means in this instance. I am using it to mean both sensitive (no false negatives) and specific (no false positives), whereas to you it means
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whether or not the first in the series of tests was accurate at all. The one and only way to verify the accuracy of an "HIV test" (specifically, it's the antibody tests that we're talking about here, since there is no test that can detect HIV) would be to compare the results against HIV itself. --
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It's not that the "HIV tests" are inaccurate, but that their accuracy is impossible to verify because there is no gold standard for HIV. The "accuracy" of "HIV tests" is determined by repeating the test over and over again to see if the same result is achieved. Naturally, this says nothing about
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Sounds good to me. I'd like to see the article focus mainly on history, people and context with only a brief summary of the arguments, which as you say are extensively described elsewhere. The book by Steven
Epstein from which you extracted Duesberg's homophobic quote is a helpful source for this
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I've found a glossary on the website of Cancer
Research UK (a major British charity, and a highly reliable source), which states: "The number of avoidable deaths is defined as the number of deaths attributable to cancer within five years of diagnosis that would be avoided if patients had the same
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I agree with you on this, but we had a long discussion (see above under "alleged harm caused by dissident views") and that was the title that everyone came to consensus on. That doesn't mean we can't revisit it now. However, your change to "Deaths caused by AIDS" is incorrect, in that it's not an
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It's already known that AIDS researchers use a "surrogate measure" because there is no gold standard (HIV itself) against which to verify the accuracy of "HIV tests". Repeatability only shows that the test will give the same result with the same data -- not that the result in question is valid.
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Ha, ha, well saidāit's useless to try to argue with people who are fanatically convinced they hold the unquestionable truth and whose only arguments are name calling, hate slurring and censorship advocacy. No wonder some journalist said the AIDS-establishment guys are the nastiest people he ever
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Again, "alleged harm caused by AZT" is fully covered in the section on dissident arguments. If you feel there's something missing, feel free to edit it or propose a change here. Adding another section to repeat the already-covered fact that dissidents consider AZT harmful doesn't make sense; we
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Point #1: agreed that it is logical for you to make that claim. Point #2, until we can have an expert here to clarify that "avoidable deaths" can clinically mean "avoidable deaths, but only avoidable for the time being", I ask that you desist from using it because it is illogical to talk about
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Although it's hard/impossible to total up the number of people who support AIDS reappraisal at any given time, the sources under "former dissidents" suggest that the opposite is true; in fact, several very prominent scientifically astute dissidents have become convinced by the accumulation of
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Yes, sorry about that - you volunteer for one job and I suggest another! In fact the article already gives quite a good account of the history, people, impact etc. and those suggested resources are unlikely to yield a great deal more. For now it would be best to concentrate on shortening and
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Thanks for taking the time to provide those references, but unfortunately they are not really what I was asking for. I was asking for isolated HIV from sexual secretions (semen, vaginal fluids)āwhich one would think should not be difficult to obtain given the high degree of "viral load" and
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And yet, you can't do this "simple
Medline search" yourself and pony up the evidence. That's because there is no evidence to support your claim. I ask you to prove me wrong with a "simple Medline search". But you can't, so you won't. Instead, there's going to be more invective and more
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interviewed, and no wonder they behave like that, since letting all of the information about AIDS flow freely and a true scientific debate take place openly would prove a fatal blow to their untenable dogmas. BTW, a question to administrators: Isn't posting such kind of heavy-worded
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I'm considering reorganizing this article and shortening it, from a point-counterpoint style to a briefer summary of dissident arguments. There are already lots of sites that argue back and forth, and they're linked. I'd like to make this article more readable. Any thoughts?
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There are quite a few items that have been tagged with cite-needed for ages. I'm planning to go through in the near future and make an effort to source them; failing that, I'll delete them. They can always be re-added if/when a source is provided. Does that sound reasonable?
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We really need to change this title "Estimated numbers of deaths caused by dissident views". There is no factual way you can attribute "cause" of death to dissidents views. That is not NPOV. It is so not NPOV it would be the same as saying "Estimated deaths caused by AZT"
915:"deaths ... deemed avoidable my mainstream scientific authorities"? That makes no sense. The mainstream scientific authorities whom you claim are doing the deeming have also declared that AIDS is fatal and that there is no cure. How can the deaths be "avoidable"? --
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estimate of deaths caused by AIDS. It's specifically an accusation by mainstream scientists that dissident activities are responsible for harm and death. It could be phrased any number of ways, but for now I'll change it back - suggestions from other editors?
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views then it seems likely they'd have put more effort into providing access to these drugs (as
Botswana and Brazil have done), and many deaths would have been avoided. My statement would be that, in some cases, "paying heed to the claims of AIDS dissidents
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It has already been reported by a number of mainstream news sources from South Africa, but they tend to follow the disputes between the TAC and their opponents like some sort of soap opera, so perhaps that's not a very good indication of notability.
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and every other international medical organization has drawn on to form their conclusions. As to the straw-man argument that you can't cite "one paper" proving that HIV causes AIDS, or that HIV is sexually transmitted, please see the introduction of
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I'd like to see the electron micrographs of the 1.16 gm/ml density gradient showing and proving the isolation of retroviral particles from those secretions, have they been published? They should look similar to
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more non-proof helps nothing. A study or two that proved this would make a much better resource for anyone who actualy looks at the references section to find out how the conclusions were reached.
2041:, as opposed to the address given in the sig). According to the talk page, he/she is leaving Knowledge and there are no edits after Jan 3rd. If you're having problems with a user, best to go to
1369:. Some of the earliest antidepressants were initially developed and tested as anti-tuberculosis medications. It happens. Is there something of relevance to the article to be discussed here?
761:"Cherry-picked?" AIDS dissidents constantly claim that their views are supported by "two Nobel Laureates". Turns out one of them long since became convinced that HIV causes AIDS (no, not
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What I was getting at is that the "reward" is a publicity stunt, which will never be paid out since Continuum keeps moving the goalposts. But you're absolutely right about the fact that
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deaths from a fatal and incurable disease as "avoidable". Death from an incurable, fatal disease cannot be avoided by definition. What you are describing is delaying, not avoiding.
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you disagree? Then, please, by all means, educate me. The burden of proof lies on he who alleges, and I believe it is you who alleges that AIDS is caused by HIV. How, exactly? --
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I think that reference number 36 should point to an actual article that shows proof for the sexual transfer of HIV, as opposed to a page that just states it as a matter of fact.
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some of the most significant responses to AIDS reappraisal from mainstream scientists, some of which might be worth quoting or referencing if you can access the full text.
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that HIV has been adequately isolated? Or you could keep moving the goalposts, as the folks at Continuum do. HIV has been isolated from male and female sexual secretions (
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to divert you away from the evidence, as they love to do, and understandibly so: it is where they are weakest, so the evidence is the last thing they want to discuss. --
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You know, I don't think anything will ever be good enough for you Loundry, and you're looking for the other side to loose breathe trying. Try to keep it on topic - the
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AZT - an old cancer medicine - has been resurrected by AIDS. It was too dangerous for cancer but thankfully they found a place to sell( I mean use) it.
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I've removed the external link to the dissident AIDS wiki.
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