Talk:Hanukkah/Archive 2

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historically all but openly embraced it, while Judaism has treated it with revulsion and disdain. The idea that Chazal turned a pagan festival (for whose existence there is no evidence) into a Jewish one is ludicrous; it explicitly goes against everything they taught. On the contrary, everything we know about them tells us that had there been a pagan festival on that date, they would have deliberately moved Chanukah to some other date, just so as to avoid the appearance of syncretism. --

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24). Shabbos starts at the latest when the sun has set (before dusk), and the shabbos candles are traditionally lit 18 minutes before that. On a weekday the Hanukkah candles are be lit at nightfall (after twilight) and stay lit for a half hour. As twilight can be 45 minutes long, and the shabbos starts 18 minutes before that, the hanukkah candles must last a long time in order to be lite for 30 minutes after nightfall.

839: 4105: 240:. Maybe its only during the period of Hanukkah, which is now, but the article is being ruined. Maybe some interested parties could get a temporary restriction on editing especially by people without user accounts -- just for the time of Hanukkah. If this is not the appropriate or best place for this note, then please move and or copy it to a more appropriate place. Thanks. 3264: 2371: 4049: 4307:"Hanukkah" outnumbers "Chanukah" on Google Scholar and Google Books at a ratio of about 2:1, and vastly more so on Google Web. I'm aware Google search results are not the ultimate truth regarding frequency of use, but the sources using "Hanukkah" seem also to be the more reliable ones; see for example articles published by the 3853:(Thought I replied to this but I must not have saved.) It shouldn't have been there. It was added over a year ago by someone who was adding similar imaginary material to a number of articles. It was quickly deleted, but I am ashamed to say that I re-added it in a sloppy revert that undid several edits. I have now deleted it. -- 2092:) basis of Hanukkah. The fact that not all Jews(Phasaic-Rabbinical Jews) accept them as canon does not remove its historical or scriptural significance to other Jews and even Christians as they accept Hebrew history and traditions as part of their faith even though not necessarily by race. Sadly, the faith of fellow 4174:

the aspiration of "h." In current jewish culture, both variants are used, but more and more, the "chanukah," is replacing "hannukah," as people wise up to the error of their ways. The title of this page should be changed to reflect the correct spelling. To avoid doing so, is a form of cultural destruction.

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The version of the story in 1 Maccabees states that an eight day celebration of songs and sacrifices was proclaimed upon re-dedication of the altar, and makes no mention of the miracle of the oil. A number of historians believe that the reason for the eight day celebration was that the first Hanukkah

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I'm not sure I would call the 1870s "modern". But something on the history of the holiday itself would surely not be amiss in the article. In contrast, I doubt we need all of the Maccabean history we have in the article. In particular, the entire "Historical timeline" section seems partly irrelevant,

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What place does this numerological speculation have in an encyclopedia? What sources can be cited to back it up? Did the ancient Jews use a modern arabic numeral 8 turned on its side to represent infinity? Did the similarity of the numeral 8 with an infinity symbol inspire them in their understanding

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Considering 1.5 billion of the World's Christian population considers 1&2 Maccabees part of the bible(vs ~500 million Protestants) not to mention Ethiopian Jews (Beta Israel) I think its is only fair to at the very lease conscede the following "The story of Hanukkah is alluded to in the book of 1

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I am refering to semi-protecting because its a holiday being against policy not because of vandalism. And i would say the worst vandalism was from a logged in user at that time frame. But what I am saying is some stuff was stated to be vandalism that wasnt so it seems to me that some people are pov

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It's not your place to personally determine what pictures are appropriate and what pictures aren't. (Though I grant this one looks a little demonic). The other two pictures of people lighting menorahs are of hassidic rabbis. This is certainly not a typical representation. Good to show some diversity.

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This holiday is consistently misspelled by people who don't know hebrew. In hebrew, the first letter of this holiday is a "chet," giving a pronunciation like the "ch" in Loch, like Loch Ness. The correct spelling is NOT "hanukah," but rather, a word that has the consonant sounds of "ch","n","k", and

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That's a very good picture, and I recommend it replace the Chaplain Cohen picture too. I'm afraid I'm the one responsible for choosing the Cohen picture, as I was searching around Wikimedia Commons for something appropriate. This one is much better, clearer, and shows people lighting menorahs, which

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Judas and his brothers said, Now that our enemies have been defeated, let's go to Jerusalem to purify the Temple and rededicate it.37 So the whole army was assembled and went up to Mount Zion.38 There they found the Temple abandoned, the altar profaned, the gates burned down, the courtyards grown up

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8 But Judas said to his men, Don't worry about the size of their army, and don't be frightened when they attack.9 Remember how our ancestors were saved at the Red Sea when the king of Egypt was pursuing them with his army!10 Now let us ask the Lord to have mercy on us. Let us pray that he will honor

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The protection was not preemptive; it was in response to several incidents of vandalism on the 11th. However, it is common practice to semi-protect holiday articles for the duration (as has been done with this article for the last four years). If you have a suggestion for improvement, you can make a

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I was going by the citation you supplied, which gave the publisher as "the Society for Humanistic Judaism", i.e. Wine himself. If KTAV published it then it's not self-published, but it doesn't change much, since the notion that KTAV would have fact-checked a claim like this is utterly fantastical.

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There is no perfect way to create a "ח" sound with English letters. Both 'ch' and 'h' fall short of perfectly transliterating the word. I understand that some have a preference for one version over the other but I don't really see a reason to get worked up over it. There has been ample discussion

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According to Jewish law, dusk or twilight, the period between sunset and nightfall (when the stars are out) can be considered either day or night depending on the circumstances. For shabbos both the Friday twilight, and the Saturday twilight are considered shabbos (so shabbos is really 25 hours not

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I just edited the "Historical Sources" section to mention that the rededication narrative appears in 1 Maccabees 4:16 and thereafter. This is already mentioned below in a different section, but with a citation to a broken link (currently ref ). Is there a canonical way to give links to Bible verses

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Take another look. The "on the other hand" line is a quote supporting the previous statement. See the sentence right before it, where it says "According to Joseph P. Schultz:" and note the colon. They are not two separate paragraphs; it is a paragraph with a quotation set apart from the rest of the

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Also, it is silly to believe Falasha Jews received books from Christians, as Gentiles had no understanding of Jewish history or literary traditions. For how is it that Falasha Jews received books as Enock, Jubilees, Tobit, Ben Sira(Sirach), or Baruck (Letter to Jeremiah) from Gentiles yet they are

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I noticed a lot of the so called vandalism was actually good faith edits (sure there was some vandalism but every artical gets vandalised) also just because it happens a lot doesnt make it within policy. Also I have an acount its just a paiin to login every time i want to make an edit and it doesnt

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evidence that any such festival ever existed, or that Chanukah descended in any way from a solstice festival. Wine's agenda, of course, is obvious: if one is to build an atheist Judaism it would be useful to have some sort of tradition older than a few decades to hang ones (figurative) hat on, and

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The rules for the dreidel game are incomplete. I'd like to edit the rules, but I don't have access. The rules don't point out that when the pot is empty or only has one item, all players should immediately add another item to the pot. I tried it the way described, and most of the time the pot is

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If you light the candles on Friday at dusk then they are already lit before the Shabbat (which is Friday dusk to Saturday night) So why would we need the candles to burn longer than a half hour? Are the candles supposed to burn continuously from the time we light each one each day?(it doesn't state

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I don't understand. The source for the statement is in the books themselves; the exact citation is given in the article. The article isn't claiming that what the books say is true; it just says that Chanukah is referred to in these early books, which shows that the authors had heard of it. What

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of the altar. With great joy they brought burnt offerings and offered fellowship offerings and thank offerings.57 They decorated the front of the Temple with gold crowns and shields, rebuilt the gates and the priests' rooms and put doors on them.58 Now that the Jews had removed the shame which the

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is even referred to as the festival of lights). The issue is if this effected the timing of Chanukah, and if it was a replacement (a claim made for many, many xtian holidays WRT pagan holidays). The meta issue is if it's worth documenting. And if it can be done calmly. (given the jewish propensity

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Like many people, I'm wondering, when is Hanukkah this year? So, my family being non religious in the extreme, I don't have a clue when Hanukkah is. In order to find out, I have to read through several pages of wikipedia. Simple basic info should be at the top for folks like me looking for a quick

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The celebration of Hannukkah is cited in 1 & 2 Maccabees of the Catholic(also Christian) Bible, thus I am offended by the author's obvious bias or oblivious ignorance. He speaks of the Septuagint as if it were common everyday verbage and completely fails to even mention that the Bible of more

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I am just as puzzled by the discussion of "Simple English Gematria" in the section on Spelling Variants. Or maybe "discussion" is too strong a term. Is the application of gematria to English spellings something anyone seriously does in connection with Jewish topics? Are we supposed to derive some

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Back in the 1870s, when Christmas was just starting to come into its own as a mass-market cultural phenomenon in the U.S., two Cincinnati rabbis looking for a way to cheer up Jewish kids who felt left out—and bring more young families into synagogue—launched the first big Hanukkah festivals, with

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As a secular Jew, I'm offended by the fact that only orthodox Jews are shown as celebrating Hannukah. This holiday is celebrated by the vast majority of Jewish people around the world, religious or not. It has great traditions, and is celebrated by most families. You should find pictures of more,

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part of the Jewish canon. It doesn't say they aren't. It just says that they mention the holiday. If it were mentioned in some other book - the Bhagavad Gita, for instance - we wouldn't have to specifically point out that the book was not part of the Tanakh. Whether it is or is not is irrelevant,

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Huh? Even if the "Beta Israel" are descended of Jews, they certainly have no Jewish tradition: they have completely forgotten the oral torah, and their scriptures are copied from the Ethiopian Christians. Chanukah is a Jewish holiday, and there is no question that the books of Maccabees are not

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you have a huge selection Hanukkah pictures, can someone please add this link at the external links? or any other link to Hanukkah pictures to direct people to more about Hanukkah? (BTW, i think that the older picture of the menorah was better on top, rather than this rabbi lighting candles. This

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I'm not sure I understand the problem. The Assyrians were long gone when these events took place; how are they relevant? I believe services in the Temple had been disrupted in 168 on Antiochus IV's orders, and Hanukkah is the re-dedication celebration after the Maccabees had won the ensuing war.

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Zsero, I am a bit surprised at your commentary regarding Falasha Jews, to say that their scriptures are copied from Christians is quite absurd. Its is rather, evident you have not read 1&2 Maccabees for their are pure Jewish in context whether Rabbincal Jews accept them as scripture or not.

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Can someone please clarify this for me? The article states: "Friday night presents a problem, however. Candles must be lit before the start of Shabbat and inexpensive Hanukkah candles do not burn long enough to meet the requirement. A simple solution is to use longer candles, arranging them in a

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The article needs to clarify the issue of the Books of Maccabees. These books are not part of the Jewish canon, not even as "apocrypha". They have the same role (religiously) as the the plays of Shakespeare (ie None). They are not found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The festival is only found in the

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52 The twenty-fifth day of the ninth month, the month of Kislev, in the year 148 was the anniversary of the day the Gentiles had desecrated the altar. On that day a sacrifice was offered on the new altar in accordance with the Law of Moses. The new altar was dedicated and hymns were sung to the

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Add to these arguments the fact that there is another Jewish holiday that falls at about the same time, that gets much less attention, and the fact that Hannukah itself was an utterly minor holiday until xmas celebrations became the norm. However - the question isn't if it's a worthy claim, the

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There is a school of thought that the Hanukkah we celebrate today is a modern creation, in imitation of Christmas. It used to be a minor holiday but was elevated in importance to become the Jewish Christmas, for commercial reasons as much as religious ones. I've seen this in many sources, most

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Judaism isn't most cultures. In the case of Xian festivals such as Xmas, there is overwhelming evidence for its descent from Saturnalia/Calendaria; in the case of Chanukah there is no such evidence at all. Xianity and Judaism have taken radically different views of syncretism; Xianity has

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I think this paragraph needs further work, particularly the last sentence, which is bit unclear. Lamps are also lit in homes during Sukkoth. Also were the priest able to light lamps in the Temple before the Assyrians were defeated? Hadn't the Temple been profaned? I hope that someone more

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Well, the protection expired some days ago but evidently anonymous users can't edit this article in a constructive way. So it's semi-protected again, for 2 weeks now. That takes us into the new year and by then all these bored vandals will have found something else to focus on instead.

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tag on a section of apocrypha and have made it clear in my edit summaries that I am questioning that they are infact apocrypha and want a citation for that so I do not understand why people are removing a citation request when you can only remove them if there is a citation or one is

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There's nothing wrong with the subject of the photo; I just wish it weren't so dark. Chanukah celebrates a military victory against a tyranny, so it's especially appropriate to show someone still engaged in another such war, lighting the menorah to remember this ancient victory. --

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It is gone now, and I agree it wasn't a great photo, but it was the only one I could find on commons of a child participating in a Hanukkah tradition at home, which is something I think could improve the article if we can find a better one. Perhaps children playing the dreidel game?

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Can someone confirm for me whether or not Hanukkah may also come from the Aramaic word "Hanuk", which means to strangle? The meaning behind this is that the Jews felt themselves "strangled" and oppressed under the regime of the Polytheistic Seleucids and so rebelled for freedom.

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During that war, before the re-dedication, the festivals supposed to be celebrated in the Temple could not be held. We might make the last sentence read "lamps were supposed to be lit" to clarify that the Jews did not light lamps when they could not celebrate the festivals.

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When the Nazis seized power in 1933, they suppressed Hanukkah by burning menorahs and candles, and abolishing the game of Dreidel. They even destroyed and vandalized synagogues that provided Hanukkah services. Wasn't that terrible. - Vahe Demrijian. 12:01. 19 February 2007

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Probably the photographers who put their pictures on this site, but i found this link as a great source for Jewish pictures of all kinds, and the issue is not to copy pictures or any break of copyright, just a link to rich the knowledge's of Hanukkah. A great thanks! :)

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I've removed the quote altogether. It adds nothing at all to the main text, and already appears in the footnote if someone really wants to see it. It's not as if this Schultz guy were particularly notable, so that a quote from him would carry particular authority. --

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I agree. I also think the picture of the "Santa Claus" girl (as Yoninah put it) is especially bad. From that angle she could be lighting almost anything; the girl herself is clearly the main focus of the photo, distracting from the subject, which goes against the

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Sorry, I didn't read your initial post carefully enough. For some reason I thought you were advocating posting the images themselves in the article. There would be no copyright problem with posting links to those images, but I don't know if the link would satisfy

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states it was protected because of vandalism and as my count shows below it was 50% of anon edits so I am conceding that point but as for the preemptive which it is not I would say is against policy because its not a time stated as allowed but because as

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in a forest of weeds, and the priests' rooms torn down.39 In their sorrow, they tore their clothes, cried loudly, threw ashes on their heads,40 and fell face down on the ground. When the signal was given on the trumpets, everyone cried out to the Lord...

4239:); I'm more inclined, however, to transcribe as close to the IPA as possible while still allowing for English orthography rules. Thus, 'ch' for , 'ah' for at the end of a word (as opposed to ), and a single 'k' to keep the 'u' long (i.e. , not or ). 2249:

That's an easy fix. Though sources abound for that statement, the article is about Hanukkah, not a place to debate the apocrypha. Since the books are linked themselves and it doesn't directly relate to the topic, I just removed the apocrypha bit.

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Please could someone add in details about the last verse of Ma'oz Tsur? It was an addendum written at a later date to the rest, and by a different author, but I can't recall the details. Also, a translation of the whole thing would be nice :-)

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It's a fringe theory, and not even a significant one. If this were a widespread belief, documented in multiple reliable sources, then it would be worth discussing, and presenting the evidence for and against. But unsourced speculation that has

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While I agree that the historical accuracy is questionable, I still think that Nayrot, with disclaimers about accuracy, should be included in the article. Perhaps in a different section than where I originally included it would be better? See

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no matter where you are. Sunset on Dec. 1 in London is Dec. 1. Sunset on Dec. 1 in New York is still Dec. 1. Those were probably just people doing what we call subtle vandalism, making small changes to dates that they think won't be noticed.

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Should this article be semi-protected again? I just restored a large block of text that was deleted by a vandal and not caught due to two acts of vandalism in a row. This has the possibility of causing real, lasting damage if it continues.

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That doesn't change that they were good faith edits I was just putting a count because you asked for diffs and of course I am conceding just explaning what gave me the conclcusions I drew initialy and then in my concession up there why it

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Additionally, the Catholic term used, "deuterocanon", does not equate entirely with the Septuagint. You see, books such as Maccabees 3 & 4 and others of the Septuagint are NOT part of the Catholic Old Testament deuterocanon books.

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and as such has specific observances that make it "kosher". The choice of pictures of Hanukkah menorahs with candles positioned in an arc rather than a straight line, the little girl lighting who looks like a miniature version of

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where it is written the three different customs of lighting, it mentions the third to be the most beautiful. Not only is this personal research, it is not quantifiable, therefor not a fact. no opinions on the wiki!. changed.

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than half the world's Christians, the Catholic(Christian) Bible's Old Testament is derived from it. Simultaneously, calling the Protestant bible the "Christian" Bible, immediatly implicating any other bible as non-Christian.

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I would vote on this one too, and possibly to replace the "Chaplain Andrew Cohen" photo. I agree with Yonina that we should only have photos of "Kosher" Hanuka Menorah's on this page, and the photos of round Menorah's removed.

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I changed a number of photos in the article, as well as the layout and captions. Parts of the article were much too crowded before, so I did remove some and added others in other sections. It could be improved still further.

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While I don't have any source offhand, there are authentic Jewish sources that mentions the idea that 7 represents nature (7 days of creation) and 8 is supernatural. It has nothing to do with the shape of the number.

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The author might want to note that the Hebrew Scripture Canon is really strictly the Rabbinic Judaism's(though most of today's Jews) canon as Ethiopian Jews still utilize the Septuagint as their version of the "Hebrew"

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Near the end of the second paragraph "As such, if one were to read from the lights – something prohibited – then it's not clear whether the light one's reading from was from the Hanukkah lights of the shamash light."

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are phrased/presented as though they are showing two different points of view, but both seem to be saying roughly the same thing. Is it possible these can be re-phrased to illuminate the contrast a little better?

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On what basis was it decided that "Hanukkah" was the most common? I've seen both "Hanukkah" and "Chanukah" with fair frequency. It seems to me like we should go with the more "correct"/"standard" choice (and yes,

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in Knowledge? I've seen a few of websites referenced, some more reliable than others, some Knowledge authors just give pointers to the Knowledge article on the book itself and leave out chapter and verse. Thanks.

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The word "deuterocanonical" is a Roman Catholic and Eastern Christianity term, and indicates that they are canonical, which is not held by protestant believers (or by those in the day of Christ, for that matter.

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Chanukah is an 8 day festival not a 9 day festival. Also the Chanukiah (menorah) is 8 branched lit i for each of the 8 days of Chanukah. The center candle is called a Shamash and is used to light the others.

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So all together, excluding the shamash, two lights are lit on the first night, three on the second and so on, ending with eight on the last night, for a total of 36. (including the "shamash" is a total of

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who cut quite a striking look as they light their ornate, indoor menorahs, seems to downgrade the religious significance of Hanukkah. When I have time, I would like to fill in the absence of certain

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games, music and plenty of good food. The concept was wildly popular and soon spread across the country, says Dianne Ashton, a religious scholar and author of the coming book "Hanukkah in America."

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guide. But much of that you will probably find you already know since you were able to edit this page, by making the entry to which I am responding right now. If you need any help, let me know on

4010:, which was a couple of hundred years before the events of the Hanukkah story. Of course that doesn't mean the tradition of eating cheese doesn't exist. But no source that I can see says it does. 1175:

When reverting my edit, you commented that it's "unfounded" and "self-published". It's neither. I give references, to which I am unrelated. I do not say with certainty that this is true, but that

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Nonsense. There is no one "correct" spelling for Hanukkah in English. This article uses the most common romanization. If you think it should be changed, there's a process for achieving that. --

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The article is incorrect when it says "the Assyrians were defeated" in the story of Judith. Holofernes was an Assyrian general, but serving in the Babylonian army despatched by Nebuchadnezzar.

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rededication of the altar should be celebrated with a festival of joy and gladness at the same time each year, beginning on the twenty-fifth of the month of Kislev and lasting for eight days

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Most of the "good faith" edits were reverting vandalism of other IP edits. Not sure what you want us to do here. We've told you why the page was protected. To request unprotection go to

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accompaniment of harps, lutes, and cymbals.55 All the people bowed down with their faces to the ground and worshiped and praised the Lord for giving them victory.56 For eight days they

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in action. (The amount of vandalism an article receives is directly proportional to the amount of readers it gets, which is proportional to how fast the vandalism will get reverted.).

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question is if it's worth documenting. Would the average English-speaking human benefit from having information available that wasn't from Wine's book, or an ad on the side of a bus?

3564:), it will probably create confusion in North America, where Hanukkah begins on 1 December. Is there anyone with Hebrew calendar expertise who could put in some sort of explanation? 2665:), so I wonder whether "servant" is a later connotation, or if there are simply two unrelated homophones in use here. Either way, an authoritative reference would certainly help! 3560:

Someone changed the date of the beginning of Hanukkah 2010 from sundown on 1 December to sundown on 2 December. Although I think this would be correct in Europe (for example,

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I have attempted to clarify the definition of the word Shamash as it is written and defined in "Webster's New World Hebrew Dictionary", Hayim Balstan, Wiley Publishing 1992,

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was a belated celebration of Sukkot and Shemini Atzeret. During the war the Jews were not able to celebrate these festivals, when lamps were lit in the Temple (Suk.v. 2–4).

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I believe protection of this page to be in violation of wikipedia policy seeing as it isnt mentioned in the talk page and it in inconsistant to preemptively protect pages--

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get him away from this page. there is no need to associate this jewish holiday to the american imperial army. do you want a second holocaust? i'm taking this picture away.

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one can write almost whatever one likes about Temple-era Judaism without fear of being contradicted by anyone but those obscurantist Orthodox types, and really, who pays

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over the past few days and, if '06 and '07 are any indication, things will only get worse as the holiday approaches. However, if anyone believes the article is best left

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I don't see anything in the policy against preemptive semi-protection. Preemptive full protection is specifically forbidden, but preemptive semi-protection is not. --

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If a policy states when to do something and those events havent happened then it is against the policy as for rough not being a policy it still explains a policy --

4275:. Bear in mind that the current spelling is the result of a prior consensus and the likely result of a new discussion is that that consensus will be reaffirmed. -- 2535: 1708:

pushing and calling it reverting vandalism as often as it is vandalism (even if it isnt intentional POV pushing as some people see their POV as definitive fact)

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his covenant with our ancestors and crush this army when we attack today.11 Then all the Gentiles will know that Israel has a God who rescues and saves them...

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It is unfounded speculation, not on your part but on Wine's. Wine's book is self-published, so it is no more reliable a source than he himself was. There is

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just as it's irrelevant whether or not Christmas is mentioned in the Christian scriptures. If anyone is curious about the status of Maccabees they can read

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Talmud, and here it is mainly by comments on the details of candle lighting. The Karaites, who follow only the Bible (Jewish canon) do not recognise it.

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Page protection is not mentioned on the talk page. The current protection was activated on December 11th due to vandalism and expires on December 19th. --

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Done. Thanks for your input. By the way, I hope you realize that it is very easy to do things like this yourself. For the full story, you may read the

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Something like, "Because of the different calendars Hanukkah could start in different years on Nov29? to Dec24? and end as last as Jan3?" (not real dates)

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widely used in the American Jewish community, and this phenomenon probably deserves an article of its own. There should be some mention of this in the

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According to his Wiki entry, Antiochus VII besieged Jerusalem in 134 BC, and died in 129 BC, dates differing from those noted in this locked article.

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What policy are you claiming forbids semi-protection in response to vandalism, or even preemptive semi-protection in anticipation of vandalism? --

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The author would probable like to include that the holiday is also mentioned in the Christian text of the Book of John. Chapter 10 verses 22-23.

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Not sure what you're referring to but most of the IP edits on the 11th were straight up vandalism - enough to be called "sustained" vandalism. --

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Jewish communities of the Essene Jews of the Dead Sea Scrolls...or do you also consider them less-than-worthy (non-Rabbinical/Pharisaic) Jews.

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states its not related to the reason for the protection that is irrelevent . And For mentioning the DIFFs i looked into it and saw my error --

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I don't really think it has to do with the season, probably a bunch of anitsemites or just ignorant people deciding to change it for fun.--

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Unfortunately, you do not realize that is precisly the overall point, it is a "Jewish subject"! Deutorocanoncial scripture respects, the

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are popular American Jewish parties held on or near Christmas, and linked to Chanukah as well, ofter singles events. This terminology is

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Do you think it would be possible to add an audio file with the correct pronunciation of hanukkah? i think it would help a lot. thanks!

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This article incorrectly states that the Hanukkah lights are light from right to left when they are actually light from left to right.

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I don't think it actually said that, but it was kind of unclear. I've added another sentence to more clearly explain what's going on.

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Agreed. They don't seem to illustrate a whole lot other than candles in menorah's- pictures we ourselves can just as readily provide.

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Gentiles had brought, they held a great celebration.59 Then Judas, his brothers, and the entire community of Israel decreed that the

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The page is semi-protected, so he could not have done it himself in this particular instance. Thank you for asking on the Talk page.

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about this already and unless you can add a strong reason that hasn't been said already I don't see a reason to revisit this issue.

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Hanukkah is actually a minor holiday on the Jewish religious calendar. But enterprising entrepreneurs have long seen its potential.

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Again, the article was protected because of vandalism. It will be unprotected on the 19th. To request unprotection sooner, go here:

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I don't think that image would add anything to a reader's understanding of Hanukkah above and beyond the images we already have.

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What about Nayrot? I have found some information about it, but I have no idea how reliable it is. Is any of this verifiable?

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which has this rule I'm suggesting be added. Also, in its variation, Shin means to give everything you have into the pot.

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Well, the whole thing doesn't seem properly sourced to me. The Judith and Holofernes story takes place during the reign of

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I just read it it says on the other hand at the begining of the second paragraph of that section hence two opinions/ideas--

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Under good faith 14 could count as one or two good faith edits making for about 50% vandal 50% good faith Vandalism Edits:

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As i have previously stated multiple time I was asking for a citation on them being apocrypha( as opposed to cannon) but

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that in the article.) I don't understand what is meant by what is written there. Please explain it to me in more detail.

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Interesting. Our timeline had Antiochus besieging Jerusalem after his death. I'll correct the dates according to the

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sort of guidance as to how to romanize Hebrew based on the numerical values of the English spellings that result? --

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This way, the beliefs of both Catholics and Protestants are included and thus, the sentence becomes void of bias.

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Hanukkah Boosters Light a Fire Under Holiday Acrobats, Heavy Metal Join Celebrations; 'Vodka and Latkes' Parties

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guidelines for Hanukkah, but as of now, I think the pictures detract from the original meaning of the holiday.

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straight line and setting the shamash candle apart and above the rest, or by using the traditional oil lamps."

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The article on Hanukkah is simply not the place for this debate. The sentence as it is does not say the books

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request here on the talk page. If you want to edit semi-protected pages yourself, you can create an account.

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Could somebody figure out for the general public what is the earliest and latest Hannukah could possibly be?

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Considering that the article is about a Jewish subject, and there is no question that these books are

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The text of the Book of Judith makes no relevant reference to cheese or milk, only drunkenness. --

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I didnt say there was none just that there was good faith edits that were marked vandalism as well

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If you're seriously interested in moving the page, the place to seek consensus for that is at

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Eight, being one step beyond seven, represents the Infinite (as an eight turned on its side).

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OK, I would go along with that too: the above image to replace the "Chaplain Cohen" picture.

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let's say, "common looking people", celebrating the holiday, shouldn't be difficult at all.

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I didn't realize Wine's book is self-published. According to Amazon, it's published by Ktav.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203893404577101241593280750.html?mod=ITP_AHED

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If you have a good photo with a free license, or can take one, please go ahead and add it.

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Sorry, I just realized I cited a Knowledge mirror. Hopefully, we'll find a better source.

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claimed this. I even wrote that I could not find a historical basis for the Nayrot claim.

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Deep breath... Most agricultural cultures have a solstice/winter festival (in fact,

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No, it doesn't. The root is H-N-K, to train or dedicate, not H-N-Q, to strangle. --

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I see nothing at either link to support your claim. (And ROUGH is not a policy). --

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Part of the article speculates about the mystical significance of the number eight.

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I cant take the picture away. Do we have any administrators not conspiring with the

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Europe vs. North America makes no difference because the holiday begins at sunset

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Knowledge would do well to include this correction, for the sake of accuracy.

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knowledgeable than me could improve on the details for the paragraph. Thanks.

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First, any 'numerology' regarding G-d and scripture is to be referred to as

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Perhaps you should take some time reading the books as Chapter 4 of 1 Macc:

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Please discuss any suggestions and issues here. Thanks and happy holidays.--

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The sidebar thing on the right would be the most sensible place to put it

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I would vote for the inclusion of that. I think it is a very good image.

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What makes you think they are supposed to be two different opinions? --

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http://he.wikipedia.org/%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%91%D7%A5:Hanukkah-candle07_.JPG

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I've created a new template for Hanukkah. Let me know what you think.

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Can someone put the date of Hanukkah this year at the top of the page?

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article which seems backed up (at least on the death date) by the

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part of the Jewish canon, I think "Apocrypha" is appropriate. --

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attracted a significant following needn't be mentioned at all. --

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during the holiday, please feel free to ask for unprotection at

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empty and it not very interesting. After researching, I found

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confirms that Hanukkah began on sunset of December 1, 2010. --

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That's absurdly trivial and doesn't belong in this article. --

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Yup. That's what I'm asking about. Anyone know the answer? --

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Thanks! Never knew that. Thought everyone held one way... --

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Christian Bible refers to Jesus & Hanukkah (John 10:22)

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Can you tell us what that has to do with this article? --

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Erran Baron Cohen Presents: Songs in the Key of Hanukkah

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There's been 'non-stop' rampant, malicious vandalism of

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is symbolically significant! - Brad Watson, Miami, FL

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is a common Semitic word for the sun (and an Akkadian

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Shulchan Aruch OC 676:4. (See Shaar Hakolel 46:3) --

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of Hanukkah? That section needs to be cleaned up. —

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