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The entire reference section consists of the definition of two words- "caper" and "heist". So I gather this article is just the imaginings of a wannabe film scholar and what he or she thinks a "heist" film is. At this point, years on, the article should be scrapped and restarted with the proper
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I agree with Buster. This article is nothing but the opinions of a bunch of would-be film scholars. I have removed some of the more egregious sections in which opinion stands in for referenced information. I also removed the etymology section, which was utterly irrelevant. If you want a
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I removed THE STING from the list because it is not a "heist" film as defined in the article; while there is a criminal organization and criminal acts are performed, the criminal act is a swindle of the main villain and not a major robbery.TonyPS214 19:36, 23 March 2015
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Fine, "vandalism" was an overstatement. I didn't see why completely valid and reliably sourced content had to be removed outright from
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Please don't call my edits vandalism. I left a detailed edit summary with my reasons to remove the list. To repeat: if this is an exhaustive list, why do we need it and why do we need it here (as opposed to on e.g.
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This Heist film sub-plot isn't notable enough for its own article. If it was nominated for deletion I doubt it would be kept, but it's a common theme in heist films so would be more appropriate as a section here.
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in the article. I have already taken all of the duplicate links and other films out by removing the list, and you restored them, implying that they are all notable. Don't just dump the whole pile of
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See below, but for now I will follow your suggestion and remove all of the duplicate links and films I haven't heard of. If I make any mistakes, please restore any notable films, with an explanation.
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Yes I see you yourself had time to deduce which of that is RS and which isn't. No need to be snarky. This isn't my day job, I can't always drop everything for half an hour to improve an article.
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include unambiguous statements of membership criteria based on definitions made by reputable sources". Please explain what is notable about the listed films. What on earth is notable about
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Why re-merge the big un-annotated list into the article? It is purposeless, spoils the look of the encyclopedia article, and threatens to keep growing as everyone adds their favourite film.
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I'm saying you have the power to revert the addition of unsourced content. Fine if you wanted to template the lead-section prose, but undoing the unsourced content was an easy step.
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I restored vandalism that removed reliably sourced content. However, I do not endorse the unsourced content, so I have removed them. The removed content can be seen
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