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Where are you getting this date from? That would imply he was around 19 years old when the fighting started and 20-22 when he gained leadership of the rebels, but our sources make no such claims about his age. He coulda been born anywhere from 185 to 215 for a range of 18-48, but this is so vague
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Pierre du Ryer was a french dramatist, but he did not wrote La chevalerie de Judas Macabé. The author of la
Chevalerie de Judas Macabé was a french clerk named Pierre du Riés, who lived in the second half of the 13th century. La chevalerie de Judas Macabé has nothing do with nationalism or the 17th
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