1807:. I therefore lean towards common noun for the pomodoro technique. The 52/17 rule sounds even more like a common noun to me. The name is based on the findings from one study, and I imagine that based on studies coming in the future there might be given new but similar recommendations only with other numbers (45/30 rule, 10/15 rule, 50/5 rule, etc.). In another context, and the numbers might be wrong if I don't recall correctly, the Norwegian military has a 50/10 marching rule (or something along those line, i.e. 50 minutes march, 10 minutes rest, repeat). The originality of the name itself doesn't speak very strongly for me. I also don't get the impression that it is heavily trademarked and marketed, which in sum doesn't speak to me as a proper noun. Before my edit, the article used 52/17 rule (lower case) and 52/17 Rule (upper case) inconsistently. This is only one small sample, but may also be an indication of the "commonness" of an expression. I will often err on the side of common nouns if in doubt. I'm open to expert input on the subject.
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Philosophy" as a thing reflecting Steve Jobs etc's approach and mindset around design and user experience, whereas the "Apple philosophy" would be Apple's philosophy. The "HP Way" was a thing. Along these lines, the "Pomodoro technique" reads as "the tomato technique," a kind of technique, as opposed to the specific named thing, the "Tomato
Technique." So, I am for stick with the current capitalisation. But I am no grammar expert, there may be grammar rules that govern this kind of thing. :) Now to stop procrastinating and start doing some Pomodoro Technique :)
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alerting timer (originally a tomato shaped or "pomodoro" timer) as a help for staying focused on a task. The fact that it may be trademarked (don't know if it is?) might indicate that it should be classified as a proper noun and should be capitalised. But I would also assume that there would be many cases where proper nouns gradually become common nouns over time as they are starting to become more used or known generally, or democratised, or not pushed heavily by only one supplier. For example
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may be widespread promotion of pomodoro techniques by others than those who have trademarked it (i.e. other than those associated with trademark holders). At that point it slides into the public domain and I hold that it can be accepted as a common noun. This
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looked just as much like SEO links, so I deleted them. What is so special about these particular links? There must be market leading tools that have been reviewed and can be linked to. DonIago appears to be very posessive about this article, and has reverted changes made by multiple people. Does he have a connection to these links?
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Read the book, commit to the learnings for 7 days. Then decide wether or not it is something new. Learning comes from awareness and knowledge, not from ignorance. Giving it a go and deciding that there is nothing there, you haven't lost time, you now have an informed decision. The book contains great
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Have you timed how long you concentrate on trains of thought? Certain people may have the ability to focus for hours at a time on extremely complex tasks, but most of us have neither the mental discipline nor the willpower. As far as I understand it, the
Pomodoro technique, and similar systems, are
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Pomodoro technique (upper, then lowercase) is out of the question for me, as Pomodoro is not the name of a person. I think that if the proper case (Pomodoro Technique) is to be retained, it should at least be emphasized in the lead who the method is trademarked by. But it seems that there
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Hi all. The pomodoro technique is a technique created and used by people without much, if any scientific backing from an evidence base. Almost all references in this article come from the creator, or the articles reference the creator. This reads more like original research without neutrality due to
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When I first read the article I was surprised that it did not contain more material. Looking at through the history there were some interesting additions that were reverted. So I added one back. This was reverted for being SEO spam. Ok, if that is the rule, then the tools links had low value and
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are all news links, not the kind of links to specific tools that we've had issues with, and the text itself is broad and relevant. I agree removing that section is an overreach. What we've had persistent problems with on this page is IP users adding links and references to specific tools or apps, in
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Hi, I have no idea how to do replies either, but I remembered making this comment back then and just came back to check if it's still here. I should have signed it! I know I'm not even a registered user and my IP isn't even static so it has probably changed, but I'll sign that comment retroactively
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hello I changed it to what that guy above said^^^^ because of the same reason he talked about, I was going to leave a note about that here so they don't change it back again but he did already so I'm leaving this thing under this topic. by the way the style guide probably says this isn't how you do
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Pomodoro Technique is not optimal for everyone and every task. It is commonly used by programmers in the software development environment. You get a good productivity and you get the necessary resting time. If you do not "clean" your mind every 25 mins, you will have a good headache when
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Does this technique work for daydreamers, for people with ADHS? To me it seems it assumes that we humans are all robots who can work fully concentrated on one thing, same time span each day. Is there any information on how individuals "react" to this technique? Are there alternatives or tips for
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Even more baffling to some of us is the fact that someone may find it practical to split concentration into such small periods. How can one expect to perform complicated tasks, needing hours of continuous focus, while emptying the mind every 25 minutes? Take for instance any relevant scientific
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Hello, I'm also open that I may have been wrong in asserting that these are common nouns. My impression and rationale for viewing the pomodoro technique and 52/17 rule as common nouns was that they did not sound very special to me, i.e. ordinary nouns. The pomodoro technique is about using an
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I was initially partial to the change, but on reflection the current version seems correct. For example we say the "Toyota Way," not "the Toyota way," to refer to Toyota's philosophy. The "Toyota way" would be a vague reference to the way Toyota does things. We would reasonably say the "Apple
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I learnt the very simple study technique of 20 mins work, 10 mins break in the 1970s when I was a schoolboy. The study guide I got that from - or was it word of mouth from a teacher? - was probably written in the 1960s. I'm boggled that someone should make a whole career, book, promotional
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problem, mathematical, physical or otherwise. As a mathematician I can think of very little that can be actually accomplished with such a method. Quite on the contrary long trains of thought couldn't take place, concentration would dwindle and performance probably drop to a minimum.
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Not only do the cases of "Pomodoro
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If there are no further comments on this by the next time I see this page after today, I'll go ahead and delete it myself. :) And I may possibly add the options above as *suggestions* (not rules) for what to do with the remaining time in a pomodoro block.
1709:: I'm not quite feeling a lot of passion about the idea of this merge, but I admit that the bulk of this article merely describes the technique, and based on the amount of time I've been monitoring this article, I doubt significant expansion is likely.
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In the case that both Pomodoro Technique (trademark) and pomodoro technique (common noun) are both valid options, I would argue for using sentence case. This would be in line with the Knowledge policy to avoid un-necessary capitalization:
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I am unable to find any scientific evidence demonstrating that this is actually credible and I think that should be noted. I would welcome any further research that demonstrates this technique to actually be effective or otherwise work.
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simply a formalized method of obtaining agreements with oneself to take short breaks in exchange for work. In fact, I invented a 15-minute method for myself, for the same reason: I procrastinate. --
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