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The biggest Grey (male AKA "Boomer") I have taken weighed in at 62.5 kg. This roo stood at a little over 7 feet tall standing (measured from the heel to the top of the head, not the ears) and a touch shy of 9 feet tall "propped" (in the fighting stance measured from ball of the the extended foot to the top of the head). Hanging from the base of the tail, his neck and shoulders were touching the ground. My rack is 6.5 feet high. The biggest Red I have seen shot, by a friend in the
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I added some interesting facts given to me by my friend who works in a zoo as a volunteer docent. I am assuming that these are completely factual since the zoo has a strict policy about giving misinformation to visitors (it is not allowed under any circumstances). I also have access to the exhibit (I
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