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Usually when the term, 'fast' is used, it means that the track is dry. It's is rock hard. Racehorse trainers hope for it always. But it's hard on a horse's legs. Most thoroughbreds prefer it. Sloppy is liquidy track so the horse has to slosh through it. Lot's of horses don't like it. Muddy is where
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Thoroughbred flat racing. So there IS a lot of info out there and some rearranging is really, really needed. I am part of the project myself, but like everyone, time is limited and this article is a disaster! But I guess merging isn't the solution...sigh.
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The bigger problem is that it is simply redundant. See the other two articles...the problem isn't an expert, it's also just bad writing. But like I say, I have other fish to fry at the moment.
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it's slippery but more like paste. There are certain horses that like it. Usually the ones with stronger and thicker legs. Hope that helps.
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