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work to get me banned, the only thing that you accomplished is that you shortened my stay here by two short weeks. So you had one tiny, insignificant victory that doesn't even matter much since I wasn't even doing that much damage to your pizzagate censorship agenda. In fact, by starting so many high profile AE and AEIs, ironically you actually brought new readers and editors to the pizzagate article that weren't aware of it before. And now those new editors that you helped bring to that article can have a bigger influence on that article than anything that I ever had. On top of it all, you FAILED to get the pizzagate article deleted, and it looks like you're about to FAIL to get the David Seaman article deleted. In fact, the only thing that you accomplished is damaging your own reputation as a wikipedia editor. Now everyone knows that you're pushing an agenda on wikipedia and I'm sure people are going to scrutinize your edits more carefully. If like I suspect, you're being paid (by CTR or some other similar organization) to do this, you're doing a terrible job. I know if I hired someone to push an agenda online, and he did the same job as you, I would have fired him a long time ago. I hope for your sake that your boss is more lenient than me. So again, congratulations on your (small and insignificant) victory. With Trump being elected and millions of people believing pizzagate might be real (according to public opinion polling) this must not be a fun time for you guys. And now you just wasted a bunch of your time going after me, just some random, insignificant person on the
Internet, while failing to get the articles deleted that you wanted. In fact, your AEs and requests for deletion just brought more attention to the very topics that you are trying to censor, so I think it's fair to say that your efforts totally backfired.
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Knowledge is heading towards a similar fate. Now that this website stopped being neutral, and has taken a distinctive anti-Trump editorializing slant, encouraged by certain administrators who block editors who try to stop this, I predict a significant drop both in donations and number of people who come to this site. If you want to continue fighting this, I wish you luck. But it seems to be a losing battle. Still, it's not a big deal. The mainstream media tried 100% to bring trump down, and they failed, and this website joining in isn't going to change that. In the long run, Knowledge is going to bring more damage to itself. It's just becoming another liberal echo chamber, and the millions of people who are opposed to this will simply leave the website, taking their donations with them.
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Hahaha! You finally managed to get me topic-banned! Sure took you a long time to do that. Well guess what, the joke's on you: I was already planning on leaving
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It looks like just letting it become so slanted that it becomes laughable might be the better approach. I see from your talk page that people are already trying to get you banned, like so many other people who tried to write from a NPOV were. If you look at the AE page, every single person who tries
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I feel it is beyond my expertise to fight a talk page battle so I will leave it to more experienced hands like you (or 3 others that I wrote to). Below is a link to my sandbox, which shows an edited version that does 3 things. 1. It fixes the jumping back and forth of related areas that are placed
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I'm not even promoting the theory, I'm just saying that the article should be written in a neutral way! I have made a legitimate argument in favour of removing the word "falsely" that you obviously can't refute, so you keep deleting it instead. So since I won the argument, please stop edit warring
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undid my edits without justification. I have attempted to negotiate with him, but he selectively deleted arguments that he was unable to refute rather than responding to them. See his talk page history, I made arguments in favour of my edits that he simply deleted. I simply believe that
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for example. That is also a theory that was proven false by reliable sources and says false, defamatory things about living people, yet the article states the claims of supporters of the theory, and doesn't say the theory is false. Why the double standard?
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