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future research. These fraternity articles aren't harming anyone. Knowledge (XXG) is poorer for only allowing the major organizations to have a page... This is why I went long in my earlier response to them, citing the infamous "deletion" versus "inclusion" battle. --I'm not going to convince the person who nominated this AfD, but it might convince some lurkers to switch to a more inclusive position. Thank you, thank you. And I don't have a particular dog in this fight, not any connection to Delta Beta Phi. But it is a line in the sand. Now that the F&S Project is heating up to more activity, my plan is to restore some of the already-deleted pages, that are otherwise good articles, maybe only needing some polishing.
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of these, the original page may be viewable, upon permission by admins, but only to attempt a firmer rewrite.) My attention has been on the US-based societies, but I dug in enough to realize that a flurry of these deletions came about maybe five years ago, and was only stopped when someone began to argue that Philippine SEC registration conveys a level of authenticity. That made sense to me, and I therefore incorporated that rule in the
519:'s national historian and Greek scholar, Fran Becque. Adding that reference alone to many of the pages that need more citations would be a big help. On many of the watchlist pages I've created a to do list on the talk page. I was moving from A-Z, and started adding that particular update about midway through the alphabet. So I have to go back and put the {{To Do}} template into most of the pages between Alpha and perhaps Mu. 638: 320: 243:. This is a repository of free media that can be used on all Wikimedia wikis. The image will be deleted from Knowledge (XXG), but this doesn't mean it can't be used anymore. You can embed an image uploaded to Commons like you would an image uploaded to Knowledge (XXG), in this case: ]. Note that this is an automated message to inform you about the move. This bot did not copy the image itself. -- 572:
It appears that many once had Knowledge (XXG) pages, but these were deleted. Even as Stubs. The only residual traces are redlinks for these pages, and when attempting to link to them, an alert pops up that they'd been previously deleted. At some point one of us can attempt to revive them (for many
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In this particular AfD instance, the proposer slid in an "uncontested deletion" PROD, and was probably surprised when I objected, and (per the rules) deleted it. I provided a rationale on the Talk page, as directed. But he/she persisted, and put it up for a formal debate. Such a waste of time.
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Nicely, nicely done. Thank you for your very helpful argument about this. The particular user that offered this AfD has a low-level campaign to similarly delete lots of these. I'd run into them before, and the capricious, random AfD PRODs were just as you describe: unnecessary, and harmful to
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For many of us, these institutions represent a very impactful period in our lives. I know of several chapter advisors among the regular 300 participants, along with general alumni and undergrads that are Wiki-savvy. We presently keep an eye on 1,500 or so Greek pages, while a fairly substantial
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To your question, the project page has a list of some suggestions of things that need fixin'. About three months ago I began adding Greek pages that were not yet linked to the Project's watchlist. That list has now jumped from about 300 articles to now about 1,150, with some redlinks. The
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542:. Of course the Watchlist has several articles about Philippine (and Puerto Rican, and German...) fraternities, so prior to my comments, I did some research. There are several category pages that list an extensive selection of Latino fraternities: 65:. Knowledge (XXG) gets thousands of images uploaded every day, and in order to verify that the images can be legally used on Knowledge (XXG), the source and copyright status must be indicated. Images need to have an 41:
Hi Citizen - In looking over this article, I'm a little baffled by the mention of the Sing & Sing market. Is this really a landmark? In what way? I grew up on 98th Street, and I don't know this place at all. -
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number of recent or dormant local chapters don't make the cut. There are perhaps 6,000 locals that do not have a Knowledge (XXG) article, and maybe 50 that do - mostly at Ivy League schools. Long ago, the
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about whether to aggressively delete articles or allow their inclusion, based on a notoriously fickle determination of NOTIBILITY. Once an article is factually and cleanly written, I personally favor
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editors decided to include as national groups those societies that had three or more chapters, or locals that met a certain bar of longevity: ten years or more. We follow that same logic.
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Update: That same editor placed an AfD PROD on yet another page. I'm having a difficult time assuming their actions to be in good faith. In case you want to weigh in, here is a link:
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reference I recently added to Delta Beta Phi is the continuation of Baird's Manual, now significantly expanded online from the printed 1991 version. It is being curated by
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Whatever you choose to do, we would welcome your participation in this Greek-friendly project. Join by adding your name
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Can you include a publication date on your New Yorker reference? The article title is otherwise of little use. Thanks.
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Should you have further interest in Greek societies, we'd welcome your participation on our shared project, the
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Write an article to list the Greeks on a particular campus. 50 of these have been done, so far.
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You may not have seen these. There is an current AfD debate on two Project articles.
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Another AfD has cropped up. I commented there; you might find it interesting. See
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This same person recently inserted a "citations needed" tag on a page I wrote,
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Fixed. The article now references and links to all the periodicals relied on.
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The Project page lists several items on our To Do list, but among them are:
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