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hands who will fight tooth-and-nail to make sure the status quo will not change. There's so few people who actually disagree with the status quo, not nearly enough to make a difference and there's thousands of anal-retentive users who will ensure that every edit is undone no matter how civil or how well-written it is. This isn't my first negative experience with
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irritating when someone makes assumptions about you, isn't it? Nevertheless, you raise some good points about the
Pentagon's interest in a so-called grassroots campaign. You don't have to "shock" anyone in order to be listened to. I've been threatened before with being "banned" from Knowledge (XXG) over not being civil, so I toned it down some. It's obvious that you're intelligent, so why go to the brink of being kicked off? Though I don't agree with you on some of what you say, I'd hate to see the door shut on you for something that could be avoided. Good luck to you, hope you keep contributing, etc. etc.
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from the IWW to pick one motto from the labour movement. There is a labour movement section but it's particularly crippled by the reactionary nerds on
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