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some days research, and is as such a useful resource to many people (and I have been told as much!). I also noticed that you only listed some of the species in the relevant genus pages (ie: all links to Danios as yet scientifically unnamed were removed making it impossible to find the relevant pages, you had also removed the reference to two Danios now deemed synonymised with abolineatus, again making it impossible to find the page). As many people have these fish in their homes and the relevant pages have links to photos of the said fish, by destroying the link, this makes Knowledge (XXG) a less useful resource to the aquarist.

4417:) so it appears that by the time it was published in 2007 it was, with regard to erythromicron it was already superseeded by Tyson Roberts 2007 paper. Roberts calls it "Microrasbora" erythromicron not Danio erythromicron and it would therefore seem wise to use Roberts description of "Microrasbora" erythromnicron for the time being pending its probable transfer to Celesticthys at some time in the future. I do concur with the authors of the Paper about the status of Esomus, which I have doubts is even a Danionin, but that cannot be wikified until further study sorts this out. 4404:

left unresolved...Based on the evidence now available it seems likely that the species eventually will be placed in Celestichthys." He held back pending research into whether both erythromicron and margaritatus had evolved separately, a most unlikely prospect but one that could not be discounted without further study, given the distance between their habitat, and also that their respective habitats also contained microrasbora rubescens and microrasbora cf rubescens, very similar fish that live in separate habitats with no obvious connection.

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tweediei and Danio pulcher). I can only presume you had the mistaken view that these were never valid scientific names. This is not the case. I have copies of the original papers by Smith and Brittan respectively, and I note that you have removed the reference to these papers from the wikipedia pages for these fish - I am at a loss to understand why you did this, as the information was accurate, and I had made quite clear that the fish were currently deemed synonimised with Albolineatus.

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and changing the link in chela to chela (fish) as chela goes to a disambiguation page. Have also removed category cypriniformes as it is a supercat (ie has subcategories cyprinidae and danio), the point is that if you put every cypriniform fish in the cypriniformes category that category would end up with thousands of species and be impossible to use effectively. Would also request that you state what you have done in the edit summary when making changes.

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size of 12m...). I have taken really much research in the last years about the maximum size of wels catfish and other large fish, many comparisons and calculations with known record specimens and known growth rates. The result was that it is nearly impossible for a wels catfish to grow to a size of 4m, and there are in fact really no prooves that such big specimens ever existed. Please don´t re-alter it again.

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ever written) included the White Cloud (but also stated it was not actually a Danio). Again I come to the point that Knowledge (XXG) is not just for ,so ordinary aquarists are likely to look for it on that page because of the above, which is why I included it in the listing, but making clear that it is NOT a Danionin and referring people to the correct page.

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fundamental differences betwen Danios and erythromicron, not least in body shape and the total lack of Barbels (and for a fish claimed to be a Danio - a total lack of Barbels is somewhat remarkable to say the least). Erythromicron also has features only found in the other Microrasbora species and Celestichthys such as the protruding anus

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Nice work on this article. I noticed that before all references to this genus were "Sorumbim." Is that just an old typo? It gets a lot of google hits, but that easily could be the case if it had been there a while. There was an article on the French Knowledge (XXG) with the name Sorumbim, but I moved

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I agree. I had a feeling that many of the sections could be discussed well elsewhere. However, the Environmental impact one may (and should) also discuss corals and other invertebrates, but there isn't much information there yet about that; it is true that a lot of the current information could be in

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White Clouds - while scientific papers have not claimed it to be a danionin for many years some of older printed books have claimed it is leading to the belief among some that it is, a sort of "Urban Myth". Even Dr Brittans 1960's TFH book "Danios" (as far as I know the only published book on Danios

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Re the list of species, we must be careful to make Knowledge (XXG) accessible and useful to aquarists and other lay people as well as scientists. That list is a complete list of every fish that has ever been claimed to be a Danionin, with confirmation of its current valid status, and is the fruit of

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Frankly in my opinion effectively saying that its closely related to Danio therefore it is Danio" in a study which did not even appear to include Celestichthys margaritatus is not good enough. In addition, that paper you quote actually dates back to January 2006 (before Celesticthys margaritatus was

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Erythromicron is almost certainly the sister fish of Celestichthys margaritatus and Tyson Roberts seriously considered moving it into Celestichthys in his recent (2007) paper. Roberts had this to say about the Generic placement of erythronicron "Generic placement of "M." erythromicron is momentarily

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Hallo !I´ve seen you have written that wels catfish grow to 4m and in the Volga and Danubia, but I can confirm you that this are all big fish stories without any prooves, although it can be read in several book(and you can also read many other false dates, for example that great white sharks reach a

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several years ago, you added some content that was word for word copy of a copyrighted source. I've removed it and just wanted to let you know. The article is in rough shape now, with large portions of the prose having been removed. I don't work on that article at all, but it's been on my watchlist

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First of all ref: Microrasbora, Scientific papers have been discussing which genus erythromicron belongs in for some time now. Essentially it has been in and out of Danio and Microrasbora like a yo-yo. Fang dealt with the 1999 reallocation pretty thoroughly in her 2003 paper which stated that while

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Out of curiosity and concern, where does Johnny Jensen say that you can use his images from FishBase? FishBase too makes the comment that copyright remains with the owner (except for drawings by Robbie Cada, which are public domain). I haven't seen any indication from the owner of these images that

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Regarding of the wording of that abstract, it is VERY confusing. Also I am unaware of any previous paper that has claimed Danio and Devario are in a single clade since Fang's 2003 paper erected the Devario genus. I would however say I am fairly sympathetic to the broad conclusions of this paper. I

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Milton, I dont think we will fully agree on the neccesity for the listing, however I have pulled the current and former species listing from the Danionin page and put it on a new disambiguation page called Danionin species disambiguation. I've also removed the length details from each species that

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Essentially it is generally expected that erythromicron will become Celestichthys erythromicron, in the meanwhile, until its status is resolved it remains a Microrasbora. To the lay person both erythromicronn and margaritatus are pretty well identical, in every physiological and behavioral aspect,

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Quite like what you've done in activating Danio and Devario pages. (if you look at the history on danionin you will probably see I follow that page VERY closely). Are you planning to do pages for the other danionin genera? I have done a few minor changes, adding in hyperlinks for Danio and Devario

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Hey, anything to help. The more featured fish articles there are, the better. I'd like to make it a yes, but would like to see a couple days work on it at least to see if we can't boost it with some more information. I mean, through just a little flipping through my books I found information like

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Hi Milton. Thanks for helping me updating the newsletter. To change an article's title, I think using the "move" function (on top of the page) is a good way to do as it also transfers the history and talk page to the new title. Otherwise, they all got lost and it became a brand new article rather

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One other thing you did was hide the list of no longer valid Danionin species altogether. I'm not sure why you suppressed this list. It is perfectly correct and is a useful resource. Mystifying me further still is why, before you suppressed it altogether, you removed some fish from it (eg Danio

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Kindly correct the licensing part or delete the photos if necessary (as you may see fit). You can assist me in determining how to attribute it to the source or copyholders. Thanks for pointing out. Just want to improve/contribute more to our articles in the Wikiproject Aquarium Fishes (in good

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I don't think there is much doubt among the scientific community that erythromicron is related more closely to Danio than the other Microrasbora species, however that is not justification for putting it into the Danio genus. While there are many similarities to Danio, there are, however, also

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Wow. Thanks! You've done some good work there. I'm kind of halfbeaked out having done a lot to make the article worthwhile, and seeing the differences you made has really been rewarding. Don't forget to add a "Yes" or "No" comment to the Feature Article discussion! Cheers, Neale

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Hi there, MiltonT. Taking note of your changes to above articles. Any recommendation where I could find suitable images for the above and perhaps future articles I could contribute. You've been instrumental in my past contributions to the project (as well as

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suspect Danionins will eventually consist only of Danio, Devario, Microrasbora, Celestichthys, Inlecypris and some of the Chela species (as I have seen evidence suggesting that Chela, already much shrunken, is paraphyletic). A lot more research is needed.

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While this is ancient history, I am curious as to why you made Labyrinth (organ) a redirect rather than preserving it as a separate article. I found dozens of articles that could link to a dedicated page, and it seems to be worthy of such a page.

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Dear MiltonT. How are you doing? I need assistance in identifying this fish image which I uploaded, so that I can perhaps post it on the appropriate article page. Can you please help me on this one? Would appreciate it... Thank you in advance.

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Hi. I think you should have merged (or proposed to merge) these articles instead of just redirecting. There was information in electrolocation that was not in electroreception, although they do discuss the same general subject.

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the WikiProject Aquarium Fishes and make yourself known to other editors? I usually announce new project members in each newsletter. Your name could be in the April newsletter which should come out in a couple of days. Cheers,

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is attempting to organize uncategorized uploaded pictures (excluding pictures from wikicommons as those are already categorized in wikicommons). If you see uncategorized pictures, please add appropriate categories such as

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for some time, and was only investigating why an anonymous editor placed a "ref needed" tag there. It was upon investigation of the existing "Freeman" source that I eventually uncovered the copyright violation.

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Hi Milton, parts of the Ecology section are about "nitrogen cycle maintenace" while this is universal to water filled aquariums it's a issue related to keeping fish/inverts. As such I think it's an issue for

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page but it's not yet received any comment. I noticed from the article's revision history that you had made one or more contributions to the page. Consequently, I thought I might profit from your advice at

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Hi Milton, Great work on the article! Apologies for the unit links. Was trying to clear things up a little. There was lots of volumes in cubic metres, mixed with US gallons etc etc. Looks good now, thanks!

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I saw on your user page that you don't have access to the "Delturinae, a new loricariid catfish subfamily (Teleostei, Siluriformes), with revisions of Delturus and Hemipsilichthys" in the

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There is also what appears to be a major mistake in the Abstract, I quote "Danio is identified as a monophyletic group sister to a clade inclusive of the genera Chela, Microrasbora,

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Hello there, Milton. Thank you for the modifications made. I appreciate it very much. Positively acknowledging that the Farlowella is indeed a "clan". Best regards. - Rodsan18

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Fishkeeping, though. I think the aquarium ecology is much more closely related to aquariums specifically, so that section should remain. Go ahead and move the other material.

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essentially more research was needed it was not a Danio and Tyson Roberts also addressed the issue in his 2007 paper. Hence it is still listed as Microrasbora in Fishbase (

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I am not familiar with this species of fish. It appears to be some sort of killifish (Cyprinodontiformes). It's not a very common species in the aquarium hobby, probably.

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also is good. I hope you don't mind the short reminder; I come to your talk page the most and I figure you know what to do, but it doesn't hurt to post a reminder.--

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they are actually under the creative commons license; if they are copyrighted images like it seems they are, then these images are not allowed on Knowledge (XXG).

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nor Esomus as hypothesized in previous studies." ie it says it is part of a clade with Devario then says it isn't. This does not exactly inspire confidence

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Hi MiltonT. Thanks for adding the notes on the the species of fish with aerial locomotion to the flying and gliding animals page. Very interesting stuff.

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entry. As things stand now, Tony1 is the only vociferous opponent, seemingly on matters of writing style rather than substance. Sincerely, Neale

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had it- this was a hangover from when the page was called Danio and was almost the only page on the subject. I hope this now closes the matter

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and I have to say the article is a mess. I think it's overly long and should probably be split up. Firstly, much of the lead section refers to

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Microrasbora - havent't read what you rewrote yet but agree with your sentiment that it should be discussed on the M. erythromicron page.

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Various goldfish pictures have been deleted due to copyrights issues. This left many goldfish articles with no pictures at all. See

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except body colour. Tyson Roberts considered whether margariatus was a Danio and gave good reasons for erecting a separate Genus.

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In fact you've been so prolific you've attained the particular honour of being accused of creating a "bias" on the Main Page:

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Hello, in reply to this, I merely moved information from one article to the other. I didn't actually write that information.

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to that article. Secondly, some sections of the article deal with topics related to keeping fish and should be dealt with at

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Hey, if you could get that to me that would be awesome, even if it means only one or two more articles can be added to.

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is now a disambiguation page as this name can refer to several fishes. The original content of the article is moved to

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or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Finally, please do your best to

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Hi Milton. I'm wondering if you're going to be able to work on this article some more? A lot of work was done for

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Thanks for the heads up re: monotypic genera. I knew about the rule - but had it the wrong way around in my head.

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If i upload it to megaupload or rapidshare would that be ok? Either that or i send it to your email address.

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article should deal with the history of aquariums, the styles, home and commercial use etc. Cheers, David.

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Nice job. I had set it up and wikilinked it, but your additions add some much needed polish. Thanks!

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faith). Will return sometime soon to creating articles based on the task list (as soon as I find time).

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has created "breedbox" which replaced the taxobox in all goldfish breed articles. See our discussion

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is a friendly quiz competition designed to test your general knowledge of fish. The current game is

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Hi Milton. You have been contributing so much to fish articles. Just wonder if you want to formally

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New columns for information on pH, temperature, water hardness and salinity have been added to the

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has created the "Aquarium and Fishkeeping Hobby" box which has been placed in many articles in the

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the establishments that contain many aquariums. So I think we should move most material related to

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Congratulations on all the good work you've been doing. It's nice to see another UD-er on here.

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on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Please remember to

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are able to rapidly change their colouration to fit their mood or their surroundings? (July 22)

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For the hard work in creating and improving numerous fish articles, especially those of

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in the near future. If you have any objections, can you voice them on my talk page.

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Hi. I saw your edits to several fish articles. Just want to let you know that the

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If you do nominate the article for DYK, please cross out the article name on the

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wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template

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is getting really good. Can you please add your approval (or otherwise) to its

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Awarded to MiltonT for many contributions to fish articles on Knowledge (XXG).

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I was surprised nobody has given you a barnstar yet. You totally deserve it!

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started a discussion regarding the necessity of this move. See the discussion

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deserves our praise for arduously contributing to most of these improvements.

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has been set up recently. We have a couple of participants already including

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for comments regarding your nomination. Again, great job on the article. --

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for comments regarding your nomination. Again, great job on the article. --

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for comments regarding your nomination. Again, great job on the article. --

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for comments regarding your nomination. Again, great job on the article. --

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Do you know if the 2007 paper by Mayden et al is available anywhere online?

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has been expanded due to five more species being recognized or described.

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describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

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because of the presence of very long teeth on their upper jaw? (July 28)

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is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Knowledge (XXG)

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Awarded to MiltonT for his tireless work on missing catfish articles.

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has become a disambiguation page. The original contents were moved to

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it because it seemed like your sources confirmed that as a mistake.

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but no link to a pdf of the paper, did you mean to include a link?

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has been significanty expanded, however more input would be great.

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on next Saturday, July 21st at 5pm in DC. Since you are listed in

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guy like you. I just thought you might want to have a look at the

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Identifying an Aquarium Fish - Image:AquariumPetFishRodsan18c.jpg

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In the past two weeks, four different articles have achieved the

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I think it would be good if you could upload it online. Thanks.

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has proposed to combine some goldfish breed articles. Discuss

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