1013:, that's a HMS affiliate institute which gives me complete confidence that they are not a paper institute. Joslin is very well known with an excellent reputation in Diabetes research so I don't think they would do this if it wasn't . I'm not fully sure I understand your argument for deletion, the institute exists, they do have sources that don't seem to be press releases. Remember that institutes outside of the anglophone won't have as much coverage in the international press. Journalists tend to cover institutes in their own country and region more often. i.e. The ABC (AU) will cover more Australian science, etc. They do have coverage in the Arab times. For pubmed, I think not only the articles with the centre in the title are relevant as that would normally only be clinical populations etc but also the affiliations of the scientists - you have to expand the section on authors to show that, there are around 300 for that - by searching the name and checking a couple, which seems okay, not a huge number but it really seems they have only become more active recently based off the graph, I'm guessing some kind of expansion. There is a fairly common bias against non-anglo/euro institutes and I would be really careful to avoid perpetuating that.
1227:: If you are saying that the mentions are all of the researchers who work at the institute, then I think you've proven notability. The institute (as with all academic institutions) is not just a building, but a collection of researchers. If you are saying the researchers are producing notable discoveries, it stands to reason, the institution that groups them together and supports the research is also notable. The research is not possible without the institute. Their coverage can't be separated from the institution. As a general point, this kind of coverage would be most academic institutions, but it seems counter intuitive that most institutions wouldn't be notable.
1187:: In Google News, most of the prominent mentions are coming from press releases as pointed by the nom. And, in the main media segment, passing mentions are either coming from a doctor or a researcher who is affiliated to this institute, talking about certain diseases or treatments. No one is talking about this institute per se. Besides that, a sockpuppet is involved in moving this page from draft to main article namespace. So, enough pieces of evidence are available to support the prevailing consensus.
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1208:. While I didn't pick through all of the references, announcements of awards and contracts in local and industry publications smacks of their reprinting press releases coming from the institute. While there's nothing wrong with that it's not reliable journalistic coverage involving fact checking and editorial oversight.
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814:, I'm just under 2000 edits, a kinda noob. I need to learn a lot of things. But, thanks to both of you for showing the way - 1) Notify the relevant wikiprojects 2) Random editors' views on the subject of deletion may be disregarded. Crystal clear. -
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