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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 27, 2024.

• Naoki Tanisaki → T-Hawk (wrestler)  (talk · links · history · stats)      

This redirect is unnecessary and misleading as this alternative name stems from a misunderstanding of Japanese spelling. When Onodera impersonated Naoki Tanizaki, he used a different kanji spelling for his name; it didn't change the way the name wad read and shouldn't change how it's transcribed. MordecaiXLII (talk) 21:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Vote to retarget the redirect Naoki Tanisaki → Naoki Tanizaki, per common mispellings under WP:POFR, which includes "Likely misspellings" as reasons to create redirects. The Kanji 崎 and 嵜 are both read as "さき" (saki), anyway, so it should be categorized as a possible mispelling for Tanizaki.

I do agree with the nom that there is no reason for it to be redirecting to T-Hawk (wrestler), though. MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 03:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Tighten → Megamind#Cast  (talk · links · history · stats)      

let's try this again... closed before with no consensus, with votes torn between... everything, really. opinions? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

for the record, my vote will be to retarget to tight cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. EurekaLott and Presidentman in the last discussion explained in detail why this is the best option and, unless something very significant has changed in the last 2 months (and I haven't spotted anything) then everything they said still applies. Thryduulf (talk) 00:25, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Pinging those who commented in the recent discussion: @Duckmather, Red-tailed hawk, Eureka Lott, Presidentman, BugGhost, Pppery, Godsy, BD2412, and Steel1943:. Thryduulf (talk) 00:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Bugghost: fixing the ping. Thryduulf (talk) 00:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Redirecting a dictionary word to the misspelling of a film character's name is downright wrong and astonishing. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:29, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  you'd be surprised to know that that's not actually a misspelling. i mean, it is a mishearing of "titan", but that's kind of the entire point, and he's referred to as "tighten" in the credits lmao cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 23:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Disambiguate. Per WP:SSRT, only topics with a less-than-encyclopedic scope that are commonly wikified words or that are repeatedly recreated should become soft redirects (emphases mine). This word is neither commonly wikified (indeed, there are no mainspace links that point to it), nor has it been repeatedly recreated. But because it might reasonably be a search term for multiple items on Knowledge, and none seem like an easy primary topic, a dab page should suffice. My view has not changed since the prior discussion. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 02:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per my reasoning at the prior discussion. As Thryduulf notes, nothing appears to have changed here. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 02:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• I suggest adding a {{Wiktionary hatnote}} at the very least. Seems rather WP:RASTONISHing though. By the way, I also checked whether tightening exists, but apparently we only have The Tightening. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per last discussion. Nothing has changed since last time. Would be fine with a hatnote at Megamind#Cast to Tight (or wherever else) if someone feels this is genuinely ambiguous or a likely search, but have no real strong feelings. BugGhost🦗👻 17:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment. I acknowledge I was pinged. Steel1943 (talk) 23:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Democracy Index → The Economist Democracy Index  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Democrasy Index → Democracy indices  (talk · links · history · stats)      

I'm not sure how primary the Economist index is for the title-case name, but these should point at the same target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• (1) Democracy Index: I too am not sure how primary the Economist index is. On the one hand one could say that a generic term should point to the general article rather than an article about one particular index (though to be pedantic, the generic term would be "Democracy index", not "Democracy Index"). On the other hand, I can think of reasons why keeping the present redirect might be better. The article Democracy indices mentions a number of indices, but the Economist Democracy Index is the only one containing the expression "Democracy Index", which could be taken as indicating that it's a primary meaning, as it is probably the one most likely to be searched for under those words. There's also the fact that the redirect Democracy Index was created by moving the article which is now titled The Economist Democracy Index, but which had been at Democracy Index for 16 years (apart from a period of 32 minutes when a disruptive editor moved it to another title, and it got moved back quickly) so changing the redirect title could break links. There are currently 588 internal links to it, and there may be external links, or links on individual users' computers or whatever. taking into account all of those considerations, I am in favour of keeping the redirect Democracy Index → The Economist Democracy Index.

(2) Democrasy Index: This is an almost pointless redirect. It has had 2 views in the last 30 days (compared to 9,892 for Democracy Index. I therefore don't think it matters a lot what happens to it. However, "Democrasy Index", unlike "Democracy Index", is not contained in the title of any particular index, so there isn't any particular index with any claim to be a primary meaning. There's also a case for saying that in the absence of a strong reason for doing otherwise it's better to leave it where it is, because someone somewhere may expect it to be there, though in this case that's an extremely weak case. My conclusion is that, as I said above, it doesn't matter a lot what happens to this redirect, but on balance I just about prefer leaving it where it is.

(3) I don't find the argument that the redirects should both point to the same target convincing at all. There's no reason why what happens if someone searches for one title should be influenced by what would have happened if they had searched for the other.

WP:TLDR abbreviated version: Keep them both as they are. JBW (talk) 21:44, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect to The Economist Democracy Index. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 22:12, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Keep Democracy Index as is. Virtually everyone searching for or linking to Democracy Index is expecting this topic. In fact, the article really should be at the more concise title. The redirect averages 312 hits per day (huge for a redirect), almost 15% of its target's total, and double what Democracy indices gets. Delete Democrasy Index as an unlikely misspelling. It has no incoming links and almost no views. No one will miss it. Otherwise leave as is or point to The Economist index; it's utterly unimportant. Station1 (talk) 03:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• MOSHEAD → MOS:HEAD  (talk · links · history · stats)      

I'm not sure that we need a redirect to a redirect. Any way, I came across this page when it showed up as an error on my Quarry query as a cross-namespace redirect from main space. Liz 18:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

delete. malformed, double redirect, unnecessary cross-namespace from mainspace, coincidentally the name of a likely unnotable thrash metal band, pick whatever reason you want cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:17, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

on that note, i'm assuming this is only here because it narrowly avoids a g6. if so, would it be because it was seemingly not created in error? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:25, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

G6 requires it to be unambiguously created in error, that is not the case here. So it doesn't "narrowly avoid" G6, it doesn't meet it at all. Thryduulf (talk) 20:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete. If it hadn't been nominated here a bot would have corrected the double redirect so that part isn't relevant, what is relevant is that we don't need cross-namespace redirects from the article namespace to the manual of style guidance about section headings. Like Cogsan I can't find evidence that the Slovenian thrash metal band are notable (if they were though the article would be at Moshead and this would be a good redirect to that article, given they refer to themselves as "Moshead" in prose but stylise it as "MOSHEAD" on all their release covers). Thryduulf (talk) 20:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete, obviously. In fact is there any good reason for having a discussion about it, rather than just a WP:CSD#R2 speedy deletion? I can't even begin to think of any reason why this might be considered as a suitable redirect from mainspace. JBW (talk) 21:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Redirects from the mainspace to project space (which is where MOS:HEAD points) are explicitly excluded from R2. Thryduulf (talk) 00:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@JBW: R2 excludes redirects from the mainspace to project space. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:42, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@Thryduulf and Crouch, Swale: OK, I was just going on the fact that MOS:HEAD is not in project space, and not thinking about where the page it redirects to is. However, it's still delete, just not speedy. JBW (talk) 19:22, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

MOS: is now a pseudo namespace equivalent to WP:, but if it wasn't then it would be in article space making MOSHEAD → MOS:HEAD entirely within article space and thus also not eligible for R2. Thryduulf (talk) 19:44, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete not a Knowledge specific term. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:42, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete as it is a failed shortcut where the proper version already exists. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 23:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2: Time and Darkness Expedtion → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness  (talk · links · history · stats)      

that's a lot to type before a tpyo cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Keep - One of the reasons I've stopped being active on RFD lately is the quantity of these kinds of entries. Nothing is gained from deleting (or even discussing) these kinds of redirects. It's unambiguous where it is meant to go, it's doing no harm, it's not wasting space - it's causing no problems. If a user types "Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2: Time and Darkness Expedtion" into the search box, they are obviously trying to get to the article Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness - so not sure why this redirect would be logged here. BugGhost🦗👻 18:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

should note that the name isn't the reason for the nom, since it's mentioned as the translation of the games' (tie in anime's) japanese name, give or take the 2. it's the misspelling of "expedition" cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 03:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Alicia Douvall → Celebrity Big Brother (British TV series) series 15#Alicia Douvall  (talk · links · history · stats)      

A redirect here is not appropriate as it could also redirect to Celebrity Love Island. I vote to delete the redirect to encourage article creation. Launchballer 16:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. This was an article before it was turned into a redirect in 2017 and still gets 20 hits per day. Deletion would remove the history. And although her name is listed and linked in the Love Island article, what little info there is about her is in a paragraph in the Celebrity Big Brother article. Station1 (talk) 07:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Pokémon Mystery Dungeon AKA NO KYUJOTAI → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Pokemon Mystery Dungeon AKA NO KYUJOTAI → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Pokémon Mystery Dungeon AO NO KYUJOTAI → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Pokemon Mystery Dungeon AO NO KYUJOTAI → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team  (talk · links · history · stats)      

same case as below, but the other way around. opinions on the plausibility of the mix of languages? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment The capitalization is seen on Chunsoft's official English page at https://www.spike-chunsoft.co.jp/pages/games/pokedun_i/index.html WhisperToMe (talk) 16:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  wow, that's official as h*ck, look at that pelipper go. i'm actually kind of surprised that page is still up lol

  that's probably enough proof that there's a use case for this, but the likelihood of it being used is something i'll leave for this venue to question, and only partially because the page view analysis tool doesn't like the accented redirects cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• I'm in favor of Keeping the redirect due to official use WhisperToMe (talk) 17:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per WhisperToMe Andre🚐 06:59, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Pokémon Fushigi no Dungeon Red → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Pokémon Fushigi no Dungeon Blue → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Pokemon Fushigi no Dungeon Red → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Pokemon Fushigi no Dungeon Blue → Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team  (talk · links · history · stats)      

implausible mix of languages? less so for the "dungeon" part since the series' title uses ダンジョン (danjōn, from the english word), as opposed to 地下牢 (chikarō, from... not the english word), but more so over the colors being in english cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:25, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Master Levels → Doom II#Master Levels for Doom II  (talk · links · history · stats)      

surprisingly, doom 2 is the primary topic for this... just seemingly not to the extent that it completely drowns out results to other things that might use this relatively vague term. doom eternal also uses this name i guess cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:23, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. My research agrees that the current target is the primary topic, and is more common than all the other uses put together to the extent that no other meaning got more than 1 hit on the first three pages of search results and even when excluding "doom" from the search term most other results were passing collocations. If there is something else that this is a useful search term for then it can be included in a hatnote. Thryduulf (talk) 16:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. This phrase also has particular affinity for some The Legend of Zelda games. Steel1943 (talk) 20:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

  I oppose deletion. If you disagree there is a primary topic (despite the clear evidence there is) then it should be disambiguated. Thryduulf (talk) 08:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

  Current target is a WP:PTM. The usage of the term in reference to Zelda is more of a search term than an official title. Deletion seems the way to go. Steel1943 (talk) 13:53, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

  It's a short form name not just a PTM, as people refer to the target as just "Master Levels" (in the same way United States is not just a partial title match for United States of America and Revenge of the Sith is not just a partial title match for Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith). Thryduulf (talk) 13:08, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Which Zelda games? The closest I could find was The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time § Master Quest. jlwoodwa (talk) 15:34, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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• Second attempted assassination of Donald Trump → Trump International Golf Club shooting  (talk · links · history · stats)      

Someone attempted to assassinate Donald Trump in 2016 (2016 Donald Trump Las Vegas rally incident), so the second assassination attempt would be the one in Pennsylvania. With that in mind, I think the target of this redirect should be Attempted assassination of Donald Trump. ArcticSeeress (talk) 12:14, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Security incidents involving Donald Trump. I think the span of time and exactly how things have been covered makes this ambiguous. Particularly because that lists three incidents before this year that could plausibly be thought of as assassination attempts (forklift, ricin, ricin). Skynxnex (talk) 13:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Security incidents involving Donald Trump. Too ambiguous for any one incident to be the target. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• Immediate procedural close. Seems this redirect/title has been mentioned multiple times at Talk:Trump International Golf Club shooting#Requested move 15 September 2024 as a location to move the current target of this redirect, Trump International Golf Club shooting. Also, this RfD was opened after the aforementioned move request; having two discussions at two different venues which could affect the same page/title is not cohesive to form adequate/accurate consensus. Steel1943 (talk) 19:46, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - Security incidents involving Donald Trump lists at least four assassination attempts before the July attempt, and the list is almost certainly incomplete. We cannot assign numbers to any of these attempts with 100% certainty. - ZLEA _T\ 23:08, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• 'Revert' to this version. I think suggesting common parlance is that the link goes to Attempted assassination of Donald Trump only two months after that incident is stretching what common parlance means. alternatively, would be fine with retargeting to Security incidents involving Donald Trump, especially if move discussion decides to merge the new article in. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 23:34, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Bluethricecreamman you probably meant this comment to go in the section below for "Donald Trump shooting"? Skynxnex (talk) 03:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you. I will move this accordingly. mobile edits and lack of sleep i suppose are the cause. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 03:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

  Neutral per above. Hurricane Clyde 🌀 19:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

• retarget to Security incidents involving Donald Trump per Skynxnex -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 23:24, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
• delete - I don't see anyone typing this as a phrase. If we do need to use it as a redirect, point it to the security incidents article, which will show many other attempts. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 02:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment the target article is now located at Attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Florida. Thryduulf (talk) 13:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Security incidents involving Donald Trump per Skyxnex and ZLEA. Thryduulf (talk) 13:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Chun King Inn (1964 World's Fair) → 1964 New York World's Fair  (talk · links · history · stats)      

No mention of the Chun King Inn in the 1964 world fair article. The only redirect target would be Chun King but again not mentioned there. Blethering Scot 12:23, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete, since this redirect is pointing to the wrong page and there is no viable target. The Chun King restaurant at the 1964 World's Fair did exist, so it should in theory be retargeted to Food at the 1964 New York World's Fair. However, Chun King isn't mentioned in that article either. – Epicgenius (talk) 15:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Black box (fiction) → Deus ex machina  (talk · links · history · stats)      

i really have to be missing something here, because every definition i found for "black box" that wasn't a vehicle part or literal black box was "a thing that does stuff that you're not allowed to see the doing of". not necessarily a macguffin, not necessarily a deus ex machina, and especially not necessarily tied to fiction, but the disambiguator takes care of that last part cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:23, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

for the record, until i find out what could tie this to this specific trope, my vote will be weak retarget to macguffin. seems it's sorta kinda what the last revision before being blar'd referred to (probably, maybe, i'm not sure) cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete I can't really find much evidence that this term is used in fiction except in a figurative sense of an actual Black box: Hitchcock shall have saidf it in passing, and it seems to come up in Redshirts (novel). Not enough for a redirect, I think. – sgeureka 13:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, without prejudice to a sourced article being recreated. A black box as a literary device is a real thing. However, it is not the same as a deus ex machina. Retarget seems pointless. Andre🚐 06:58, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Bulbagarden → Pokémon#Bulbagarden  (talk · links · history · stats)      

Redirect to a section that doesn't exist. In fact, the article doesn't mention Bulbagarden at all, and given that Bulbagarden is just an unofficial fansite I don't see why this has to redirect to the main article on the franchise. This should be deleted. 50.29.218.72 (talk) 23:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep and add to article. I found an interview with the site's staff in Nintendo Force magazine. This, while not enough for a standalone article, is certainly enough to mention it in the Pokemon article in a sentence or two. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:32, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: Per nom, I don't see any use of the redirect. M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 12:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Not mention at target, therefore useless. – sgeureka 13:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. I remember Bulbagarden, it was a fansite many moons ago, but sadly, if it's not even mentioned as a very minor aspect of Pokemon from the late 1990s and very early 2000s, the redirect seems pointless. While I'm sympathetic to the spirit of wanting to keep this around, nostalgia isn't a reason to keep it. On the other hand, it's not harming anyone by existing, but what is the chance that someone in 2025 almost is looking for Bulbagarden either in Google or Knowledge? Andre🚐 06:56, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: there is also Serebii. - Manifestation (talk) 17:45, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Weak delete. The Pokémon article once had a short "Fan community" sub-section, which the redirect (correctly) pointed at. I revamped the article in June 2023, and opted to remove the Fan community bit because it was of low quality. I don't know if there are enough sources to create a new Fan community section. If this would one day happen, then the Bulbagarden and Bulbapedia redirects may be recreated. - Manifestation (talk) 17:45, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• All-Star Batman → DC Rebirth#Batman  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• All Star Batman → List of Batman comics#Ongoing series  (talk · links · history · stats)      

weird case here. the different targets aside, primary topichood seems to have been entirely hogged by all star batman and robin, the boy wonder, and in regard to the second target, neither series seems to be "ongoing" (hell, almost none of the series listed there are, what's that about?). for this purpose, i made a quick draft for a disambig, which might be better off in one of those redirects now. opinions on what to do?

also note this discussion on cirno day september 9 that ended in a goddamn train wreck, and didn't even have the right redirects nominated. sorry, the oldrfdlist template doesn't work properly on the visual editor cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Gaming the system → Letter and spirit of the law#Gaming the system  (talk · links · history · stats)      

This AfD refers Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Gaming the system. Consensus was judged to merge to the current target, chosen by an editor who admitted they had not had time to do a WP:BEFORE. It is not the best target, as the parent page was Abuse#Gaming the system. I believe it was chosen off a search and became an anchoring effect on the discussion. No one engaged with questions about most appropriate redirect. No Child Left Behind Act#Gaming the system also has a section. 4150 Knowledge pages mention gaming the system. Suggest either the redirect is deleted to allow base search to do its thing, or else disambiguate - a DAB should be created. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. Having looked at all the pages I can find that are not just examples or passing uses of the term, the current target is the best we have. It could be expanded with a couple of well-chosen illustrative examples (as long as it doesn't become the mess that led to the AfD) but I don't think we can do better than that. Thryduulf (talk) 12:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Bending the rules redirects to this redirect. A softdirect to wiktionary wikt:game the synstem is also possible. – sgeureka 14:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Keep From what I can tell, there is no better place to point it that makes sense. The Abuse article is in a terrible state and I'm not sure that section even belongs there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Baduizm World Tour → Baduizm  (talk · links · history · stats)      

R with history. No mention of such a world tour at the target article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

• Restore article per WP:BLAR. A7V2 (talk) 07:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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• Restore without prejudice per A7V2. Thryduulf (talk) 11:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Baba Saheb Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering and Technology → Chandra Shekhar Azad University of Agriculture and Technology  (talk · links · history · stats)      

R with history. No mention of Baba Saheb, Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering and Technology at the target article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:18, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep See from the university's site. Relevant section: "Baba Saheb Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar College of Agricultural Engineering & Technology, Etawah was established during the year 1994-95. This college is a faculty of Technology of Chandra Shekhar Azad University of Agriculture & Technology, Kanpur-U.P." -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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• Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone → Big Yellow Taxi  (talk · links · history · stats)      

No mention of this phrase at the target article, no mentions of "always" or "till". This is not a likely term to use when searching for the target article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 20:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Except that it (along with "they paved paradise, put up a parking lot") is the part that most people remember - the title is buried in a single line towards the end. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

That might be the case: that this string of 16 words is memorable in the context of the song. When people search Knowledge, they search for titles of encyclopedia articles. If there's not a title, it scans the page contents for search matches. If you put this string in Google, "Big Yellow Taxi" is the first item that immediately pops up. The Genius lyric page, a link to Youtube, Big Yellow Taxi Knowledge page, it's all right there. But Knowledge isn't a lyric database. That line doesn't appear at the target page, so people searching for it in quotes will receive zero results. There's no way to know which line of the song is everyone's favorite, so unless there's sourced coverage about the line at the target article, and there's not, it's a confusing redirect without context. (Incidentally, they paved paradise and put up a parking lot actually has coverage at the target page, and exists as a redirect since 2007.) Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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• Wu-Tang is for the children → 40th Annual Grammy Awards  (talk · links · history · stats)      

No mention of "Wu-Tang" in the children's section, and no mention of children pertaining to Wu-Tang's entry. Without any context at the target page, this redirect does not answer questions for the reader, and only creates them (as I am now confused and am searching externally to find this, as the Knowledge page has not assisted this). Btw it was a "phrase uttered" during these Grammy's, but our article for it does not indicate as such. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Ol' Dirty Bastard, as his article discusses the incident. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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• I'm Slim Shady, yes I'm the real Shady, all you other Slim Shadies are just imitating → The Real Slim Shady  (talk · links · history · stats)      

This lyric is not mentioned at the target article. It is far more plausible for someone to type in the name of the song, rather than a full lyric ending in the word "imitating", which "imitating" does not appear at the target article. This is not an alternative name for the song, even if a line in the chorus. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. Redirects from sufficiently well-known song lyrics can be useful even if the lyric in question is not mentioned in the article. This line contains much of the song's chorus, and is therefore likely to meet that threshold of utility. While I do agree that it's unlikely a user would type out this entire lyric, I find it plausible that one might type in, say, "I'm Slim Shady" alone—at which point the redirect pops up as a suggested search, and the reader ultimately benefits. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete (1) There is no plausible scenario of any Internet user capable of typing 85 characters of lyrics that names Slim Shady twice without first trying Google for slim shady song that will lead them to this poetic masterpiece in the first lines of output - multiple times. (2) If we allow arbitrary pieces of lyrics as redirects, some editor will happily generate hundreds of them for each barely notable song. Викидим (talk) 19:24, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• The Mac Dad'll make you jump, jump, Daddy Mac'll make you jump jump → Jump (Kris Kross song)  (talk · links · history · stats)      

No mention of "mac dad", or "daddy mac". While a lyric, without mention this does not provide any benefit to readers, who are likely to get here from the song name. There is no context for this search term, or where "daddy mac" is derived. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: For clarity, "Daddy Mac" is the name of one of the members of Kris Kross, the group that performed the song. (The other member is known as "Mac Daddy", hence "Mac Dad" in the lyric.) No opinion on the proposal otherwise. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:48, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. There is no plausible scenario causing some Internet user to type the same sentence twice. Thus, the redirect is useless. Викидим (talk) 19:28, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Knowledge:Meditation → Knowledge:Mediation  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Knowledge:Meditation Committee → Knowledge:Mediation Committee  (talk · links · history · stats)     

Meditation and Mediation are drastically different concepts, and editors would be better served by a red link to indicate that they've used the completely wrong word rather than a silent redirect (as existed at WikiProject Medicine for months). --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 16:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

• Note I've added Knowledge:Meditation Committee to this discussion as the same rationale almost certainly applies. Knowledge:Meditation Cabal exists, but it is a humour page not a redirect, no other page in project space begins with "Meditation", but Knowledge:WikiProject Transcendental Meditation is a thing. Thryduulf (talk) 16:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete inactive committee, so even slim chance of a typo seems unnecessary to prevent. Andre🚐 07:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Japanese opera → Theatre of Japan  (talk · links · history · stats)      

Suggest deletion: the target article does not mention opera. The topic of Japanese opera is likely a notable one and this should be red link per WP:RED _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom --Lenticel 07:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Noh. "Japanese opera" is a phrase used in that article. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
• Keep Both Noh and the arguably more "operatic" Kabuki could plausibly be called "Japanese opera", and often have been: "Kabuki is Japan's opera. Dramatic storylines featuring sword-fights, ghosts, and love affairs are brought to life by gorgeously clothed performers." Theatre of Japan explains this well enough. A look through google suggests Japanese opera could only ever be a disam page, although there are some modern Western-style operas. Johnbod (talk) 15:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
• Disambiguate to Musical forms of theatre in Japan and its principal traditional forms Noh and Kabuki. – Fayenatic London 15:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete As-is, this redirect is incredibly confusing: it brings the unsuspecting reader to a page that says nothing about opera. That said, what did the searcher expect to find? An opera company or theater in Japan? An opera written by a Japanese composer? A native Japanese opera-like theater genre? Garbage in, garbage out, we should not answer an open-ended question with a random response or even a collection of these. Викидим (talk) 19:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Well, what they would have expected to find is presumably something fitting in Category:Opera by country. So maybe garbage out, but definitely not garbage in. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Het Rijk → Politics of the Netherlands  (talk · links · history · stats)      

Not mentioned at target. CycloneYoris 07:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

There's a lot wrong with this page, so I am not able to fix it completely, but I have included a reference to "Het Rijk". Dajasj (talk) 07:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per Dajasj's edit. Now mentioned at the target, and het Rijk is just Dutch for the (Dutch) realm. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:29, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per above if it is indeed unambiguous with other Dutch-speaking countries. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Cow neck → Cow Neck Peninsula  (talk · links · history · stats)      

Seems like a plausible target for a neck cut of beef also. (Though unfortunately web search results seem to be obscured by misspellings of cowl neck.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:43, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

The neck cut of beef in itself is not a WP:NOTABLE target. The Cow Neck Peninsula is notable, and moreover is known colloquially simply as "Cow Neck". Best, Castncoot (talk) 03:58, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

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• Convert to dab. The discussion thus far doesn't seem to recognize that Cow Neck is distinct from Cow neck. Cow, Cut of beef, and Cow Neck Peninsula are all plausible targets. "Cow neck" in reference to Cow Neck Peninsula is very rare, but has been used at at least once in print. Daask (talk) 14:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. This is not Cow Neck Peninsula, but Cow Neck exists for that. Whilst "neck" might describe a Cut of beef, it isn't mentioned in the article in that way (and no other "Cow xxxx" redirect targets that article). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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• 2005–06 South Carolina Gamecocks men's basketball team → South Carolina Gamecocks men's basketball#Dave Odom era (2002–2008)  (talk · links · history · stats)      

Delete this redirect. This NCAA Division I basketball team, the University of South Carolina Gamecocks, won the prestigious postseason National Invitation Tournament that year. A standalone season article easily passes GNG and this redirect will confuse readers and editors alike into thinking they will find out more NIT championship season-specific info, but instead are taken to a four-sentence blurb of a section about the head coach of that season? Give me a break. See Category:National Invitation Tournament championship seasons for myriad examples of worthy standalone articles. SportsGuy789 (talk) 04:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. A redirect does not prevent anyone from creating an article or improving information about the season at South Carolina Gamecocks men's basketball#Dave Odom era (2002–2008). As it currently stands, this is a suitable target and should be kept. Esolo5002 (talk) 04:55, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  I'd like to point you to WP:REDYES. mwwv ∫_edits 11:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• First Americans → First American  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• The First Americans → Indigenous peoples of the Americas  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• First settlers of the Americas → Peopling of the Americas  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• First North Americans → North America's Forgotten Past  (talk · links · history · stats)      

Hm. First American only links Indigenous peoples of the Americas, though maybe should link Peopling of the Americas as well; if not, then the plural "First Americans" should be considered unambiguous given the other disambiguation page entries. The last redirect points at a series of historical fiction books, which is probably not the primary topic. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:55, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Seems like all of these should redirect to Indigenous peoples of the Americas. Yuchitown (talk) 21:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• First Americans and The First Americans should both point to Indigenous peoples of the Americas because nothing on the First American dab page could be plural other than "Indigenous peoples of the Americas". First settlers of the Americas should be deleted as it could mean several things, gets no views, and has no incoming wikilinks. First North Americans should definitely stay as is, because it can only mean the book series previously at that title; it is virtually never used to refer to indigenous peoples. Bottom line: retarget the first, keep the second and fourth, and delete the third. Station1 (talk) 06:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  Support this suggestion. That sounds reasonable. Yuchitown (talk) 10:28, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Calvinosaurus → Calvin and Hobbes  (talk · links · history · stats)      

Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:32, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete unless a mention is added. It's not currently mentioned anywhere on en.wp. It was mentioned in the article when the redirect was created. WikiBlame is just timing out so I can't easily find when and why it was removed. The mention at the time was unsourced, but google suggests it would be trivially sourceable. I have no opinion whether it should be mentioned. Thryduulf (talk) 13:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• SMDP → First-past-the-post voting  (talk · links · history · stats)      

This abbreviation of single-member district plurality is not mentioned at the target; at the same time, there are Santa Monica Daily Press and St Martin de Porres School (Ghana) (or probably other entries at St. Martin de Porres (disambiguation) as well), so it might need disambiguation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:25, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Disambig. The electoral district acronym is mentioned in a few places, but the best for a redirect target is List of electoral systems#Systems (if it isn't added to the current target). In addition to the Santa Monica newspaper and Ghanaian school, there is Cristo Rey St. Martin College Prep in Illinois (formerly St. Martin de Porres High School) and the code for Shahabad Mohammadpur railway station in India that should be on the dab page. The International Space Station has Service Module Debris Protection, mentioned in several places, nowhere brilliantly but List of International Space Station spacewalks and 2007 in spaceflight#EVAs could be considered as targets. "Mellichamp Academic Initiative in Sustainable Manufacturing and Product Design (SMDP)" is mentioned at Susannah Scott but I'm wondering if that's a typo (I've not investigated). A couple of other things get passing mentions but that's it for what I've found. Thryduulf (talk) 03:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  (As for the typo, it most likely is; while creating SMPD I had to fix three instances that should have been SPMD, and I would not be surprised if similar situations were occurring with SMDP.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Disambig. Senior Management Development Programme in the UK, Simple Mail Delivery Protocol (unlikely to ever get an article, but notable), Semi-Markov decision processes in math popped up in searches. Викидим (talk) 17:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Free (computing) → Free#Computing  (talk · links · history · stats)      

After Special:Diff/1236379436, the target section only contains a single entry, so this is no longer an {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}. I'm not sure Free (programming) would be a great target, though. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment My first thought is that Free software at least should be reinstated to that list as people will be using it to find that meaning of Free in the context of computing. Thryduulf (talk) 03:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

My guess would be that this was about freeing memory. Andre🚐 07:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Template:Distinguish redirect → Template:Redirect-distinguish  (talk · links · history · stats)      

The title of this redirect can be seen as misleading since the target template first takes a parameter to fulfill the "Redirect" statement, and then the second parameter is used to fulfill the "distinguish" statement. Someone who does not know how the target template works could see this redirect's title and potentially do these in reverse order, which is not what the target template is used for. Steel1943 (talk) 01:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Keep: the original usage is {{Redirect-distinguish|REDIRECT|PAGE1|PAGE2}}. the synonym provides {{distinguish redirect|REDIRECT|PAGE1|PAGE2}}, which reads more like a command, hence it's useful as a mnemonic. the distinguishable pages are not mentioned in the template name, original or its synonym. fgnievinski (talk) 01:17, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Leaning keep as well. This seems rather harmless and definitely aids searching for the correct template. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:26, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Keep per above. I don't see this as misleading at all, but a very useful redirect from a reordering of words with the same meaning. Thryduulf (talk) 03:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Fhqwghads → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Fhqwgads → Strong Bad Sings (and Other Type Hits)  (talk · links · history · stats)      

The latter was already discussed at Knowledge:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 22#Fhqwhgads (which I apparently missed while collecting the redirects for the mass-nominations); that said, as misspellings of a term (Fhqwhgads) that is already not mentioned at the target, I'm not sure how useful these are. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:14, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• How'd you even find this? Can this be moved to my userspace as a relic? Andre🚐 07:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Userfy; not mentioned at target and Andre wants it Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 21:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks! This page (specifically Fhqwhgads) has an edit from User:AaronSw from 2004, so it's part of Knowledge and internet history. Andre🚐 21:34, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Kid Speedy → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Tendafoot → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Bigg Nife → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Marshie → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Marshie, The Marshmallow → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Marshie, the Marshmallow → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Marshie the Marshmallow → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Marshie The Marshmallow → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• "Lem" Sportsinterviews → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Leomard Sportsinterviews → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Leomard "Lem" Sportsinterviews → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Lem Sportsinterviews → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Kinda Long Haired Band → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• The Kinda Long Haired Band → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• West is Lip → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• West Is Lip → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Delabor → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Thoraxcorp → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Thorax Corporation → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Bronco trolley → Homestar Runner#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Battle of Strong Badia → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• FLAGRANT SYSTEM ERROR → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Homestarmy → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Piemonade → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Teal Screen of Near Death → Homestar Runner#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Bear holding a shark → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• The Bear holding a shark → Homestar Runner#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Grumblecakes → Homestar Runner#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Where's an Egg? → Homestar Runner#Web games  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Where's an egg? → Homestar Runner#Web games  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Where's an egg → Homestar Runner#Web games  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Non Sequitur Champ → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Polymascotfoamalate → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Trudgemank → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Pfargtl → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• It's dot com → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Crazy-go-nuts → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Homeschool Winner → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• The Unguraits → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Onion Bubs → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Brainkrieg → Homestar Runner#Music  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Eh! Steve! → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Eh! Steve → Homestar Runner#Sweet Cuppin' Cakes  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Eh Steve → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      
• Bwathom → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)      

None of these is mentioned at the target. I checked every one individually and there is nothing on the English Knowledge any of them could be retargeted to, with search results showing the occasional incidental match but otherwise only turning up this page, as well as a Wikiquote page a couple times, which is normally not considered an appropriate target. Apart from Where's an Egg? and Eh! Steve, none have significant page history, with pages either being created as redirects or WP:BLARED from unsourced stubs. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)