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company. SDN Invest was owned 100% by Mike Secher Dalsgaard Nielsen. Later he transferred his 3D Realms shares to another company wholly owned by him, MDN Holding ApS. Inteceptor meanwhile was voluntarily liquidated and a new development studio Slipgate Studios took over its development of the game Rad Rodgers. The Rad Rodgers IP was later sold to THQ Nordic. Slipgate Studios ApS is wholly owned by Slipgate Holding ApS itself in turn wholly owned by Kent Hedegaard Christoffersen. Public records reflect that on March 30, 2018 3D Realms ownership was changed such that it still remains a subsidiary of MDN Holding ApS but it is no longer wholly owned by that company, now that company owns "66,67-89,99%" of 3D Realms and Slipgate Studios owns "20-24,99%". That fact is reflected in the ownership tab here:

3610:, thanks for the replies. I'm not terribly well-versed in Apogee/3D Realms' history and I already knew it was complicated before taking on this, so those are probably mistakes on my part. I can ask Miller for some clarification, as he indicated he's willing to release relevant documentation to clear up any confusion. As for the article title, I just chose "2014-present" because that's when the acquisition took place, wasn't aware it was incorporated in 2015. I'll do some more digging once I get the chance later today. 1603: 2498:) Be careful, the company that will publish new games is ANOTHER company, Apogee Software LLC, not Apogee Software Ltd, which will be just licensing the name from the original Apogee... so in fact, the Apogee company in the article will only continue to publish games under 3D Realms (it's very confusing). Though I agree that the official name is Apogee Software, in practice the name they use right now and will continue to use is 3D Realms, so it actually makes sense retaining that name (as per 1576: 1758: 1613: 713: 1424: 1706: 274: 249: 771: 1144: 3564:, he said: "To clear that up, we have not purchased Apogee Software LLC. The confusion arises because 3D Realms, the legal entity of 3D Realms, is actually still called Apogee Software Limited.", which is not what you claim he said because we know that "Apogee Software LLC" was the company Terry Nagy established after he bought the trademark from Apogee Software, Ltd./3D Realms in 2008. Per 341: 320: 1718: 1335: 1314: 1131: 351: 218: 2984:

don't like the paper it's being drawn on, so they have to start over from scratch. As for the petition, I wouldn't read too much into that. I am not an insider, but I am sure a 3D Realms (former) employee started it when they got word of the closure. It's the same reason why a video of gameplay was just released on the net. It's not like they had anything else to lose.

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In 2021, Miller and Nagy acquired the Apogee name from 3D Realms and relaunched Apogee Software LLC as Apogee Entertainment. In 2022, Miller stated in a blog post that he was now uninvolved with 3D Realms and that " no longer has any link to the past, other than in name only" because he was no longer

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a distinction between Apogee Software Ltd. (the original entity, which went out of business in 2009 and was acquired in 2014) and 3D Realms Entertainment ApS (the new entity, incorporated in 2015 after the acquisition) that isn't clear currently. We do have the sources to clarify this, so I don't see

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Yeah, there should be a seperate Apogee Software, LLC page. Also this article says "In July 2008, however, they announced that the brand Apogee Software will be revived with new games on the mobile platform, but licensed to an external company, Apogee Software, LLC." But from the Apogee Software, llc

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Yes, I think that is the best thing to do. Even though the new company, Apogee Software LLC, it's making it appear as it is the same old Apogee Software Ltd for marketing reasons (using the same name, logo, talking about previous games as if they were its own, etc), in fact it is a new company. So, I

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I removed this as it's not an Apogee game. George Broussard did write the game while in the employ of Apogee, but it was never intended to be an Apogee title. It was written and published by Softdisk. The reason for this was that they'd let id Software out of their contract with them so they could

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I've asked Miller for clarification on what became of Apogee Software Ltd. and I'm just waiting on a response. He expressed to me that his primary concern is just that we're not distinguishing the old 3D Realms (Apogee) from the new 3D Realms well, which is muddying the history and making it unclear

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Maybe split the section "History" into two sections: "Apogee Software", which comprises the "Background", "The Apogee Model (1987–1996)", "3D Realms (1996–2009)", and "Corporate restructuring, legal disputes (2009–2014)" subsections; and "3D Realms Entertainment", which comprises the "New ownership

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Given the popularity of the game, it might get picked up by another company. It's Take Two's decision since they own the publishing rights. The problem 3D Realms had was they kept changing game engines for one they liked better. Essentially, it's like an artist scraps an entire drawing because they

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Now regarding the suggested action itself: Yes, I think a split between new and old 3D Realms could be done in theory, but how do reliable sources treat the matter? Also, why would 2014 be the cutoff point if Miller remained at the company post-sale? Companies being sold is quite common and rarely

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Does anyone know exactly how defunct 3D Realms is? As far as I know they no longer have employees (except management), but have they filed bankruptcy? If not, I presume 3D Realms still exists as a company in possession of assets (such as DNF) they could choose to sell or not to sell. Take Two does

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I think nobody is denying that the current and former 3D Realms are different, but only in the same way that 3D Realms was no longer the same after closing up shop in 2009, safe only for Miller still being on board. This was seemingly a non-issue while Miller was still with the Danish company and

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I think we can all agree that the current article isn't as clear as it could be about when it's talking about Apogee Ltd vs. Apogee LLC, so no matter what that should get cleared up. It's definitely messy having two companies with the same name, one of which licensed bits from the other and which

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I am aware that the two Apogee Softwares are often confused (cf. above discussions), but sources are rather clear that they were, legally and functionally, separate companies and co-existed with different managements for at least five years before Miller sold off his and a further six/seven until

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Actually those games are NOT by 3D Realms, they are done by this new company Apogee Software, LLC which is unrelated to 3D Realms/Apogee Software, Ltd. Similarly Prey 2 and Earth No More have been transferred over to Radar Group and are no longer 3D Realms games and therefore shouldn't be on this

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I put this here because there has been some confusion over 3D Realms' ownership structure. A few years back Danish company SDN Invest ApS acquired 3D Realms. This same company had invested in the development studio Interceptor Entertainment and owned as far as I can remember about 20% of that

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Be careful, the company that will publish new games is ANOTHER company, Apogee Software LLC, not Apogee Software Inc, which will be just licensing the name from the original Apogee... so in fact, the Apogee company in the article will only continue to publish games under 3D Realms (it's very

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All the forums are locked on the 3DR page, it looks like it's all over. Unless of course this is a big publicity stunt, although a company member called Joe Siegler said: "It's not a marketing thing. It's true. I have nothing further to say at this time." Stuffs in the BBC article.

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I agree with the merge but it is a little more compelx because Apogee Software is the parent company which owns the labels, Pinball Wizard, 3D Realms and perhaps others. 3D Realms just became the dominant label and all others fell away including the parent company's brand Appogee. -

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3D Realms Entertainment ApS' latest financials available here say, on the last page, that it owns 95% of Apogee Software, Ltd, d/b/a 3D Realms and 100% of Action Entertainment, Inc and that Action Entertainment Inc owns the remaining 5% of Apogee Software, Ltd, d/b/a 3D Realms:

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where we distinguish via two sections. I'd say the first section could be called "Apogee Software" and cover "Background", "The Apogee Model", and "3D Realms", and the second could be called "3D Realms Entertainment" and cover "New ownership" and "Acquisition by Embracer

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I will also be adding the external projects released since Prey, not sure if the Mac and Linux ports of Prey belong separately on the list or not so for now I will not be adding them, otherwise I will be adding all the non-freeware releases on this list since 2006:

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Mobygames is wrong. What a shock. Star Trek Trivia was an Apogee game. Star Trek: TNG Trivia was originally a Micro/FX game (George's company before Apogee), and when he joined Apogee, it became an Apogee game, and then Paramount stepped in and stopped both.

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It turns out that there are 3 new games coming to PSP and DS. Critical Mass, Chain Reaction, and Proving Grounds are the names all done by Deep Silver and Apogee. I didn't know where else to go but somebody should start these pages. Here's a link

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Nice work their! About the id/Apogee thing their earlier stuff like Wolf3D was released as an Apogee title, but their later titles like Doom were released under the id software name.. I will stick it back in, and see how it goes. Thanks again. -

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from the list of shareware distibutors similar to Apogee since as far as I know they distributed most of their games via Apogee... but I don't know much about that, so I might as well be wrong. So if I'm wrong, you may want to put that back in.

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I would guess Take Two hopes they can't and will just hand over the Duke Nukem IP (source code and rights to future games and other DN merchandise) to them instead. It seems unlikely that George Broussard will settle that easily though. –

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I can only imagine they were shut down because Take Two Interactive didn't want to give them anymore money for a game (Duke Nukem: Forever) that has been in development for 12 years. I know it's hearsay, but you can bet that is the case.

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list. Incarnate never was a 3D Realms game as it has been a Radar Group game from its conception and therefore shouldn't be on the list of games either, Radar Group also isn't related to 3D Realms(or the new Apogee Software)

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And there you go! I think these should be things everyone can agree on. Again, I apologize for not being as clear and my mistakes earlier. Let me know if there's any concerns or objections. (All this work for a free copy of

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I removed the bold faced lie that 3D Realms is not operating from the beginning of the article. A company that will release its next game next week and has upwards of 12 projects in the works is most certainly operating

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In 2022, Miller publicly distanced himself from the Embracer-owned 3D Realms. He said that "3D Realms no longer has any link to the past, other than in name only" because he was no longer there to help design and fund

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This is a somewhat notable fact but I don't think there is any reliable source about that in it self, but this article could merely note it as a fact and the Shadow Warrior article could be updated with that info.

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Ok, but not reverse the merge, but change the name to Apogee Software. As everybody seems to be for it, I'll do it. Only problem is, Apogee Software already exists as a redirect... should I copy and paste there?

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Mike Secher Dalsgaard Nielsen' position as CEO & President of 3D Realms can be verified here: (This can incidentally also be used as a source for the infobox field on the number of 3D Realms employees,

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confusing). Though I agree that the official name is Apogee Software, in practice the name they use right now and will continue to use is 3D Realms, so it actually makes sense retaining that name (as per

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It's almost assuredly a publicity stunt given that information has surfaced showing that a "save Duke Nukem" petition website was registered the day before 3D Realms was speculated to be shutting down.

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until the 3D Realms back catalog was sold to Apogee Entertainment. Arguing that no one from the current 3D Realms worked on the older games might be technically right, but you could say the same about

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due to naming confusion! If we were going to split it into two articles, I'd do it like we have now: article 1 = Apogee Software Ltd./3D Realms/Apogee Software ApS, and article 2 = Apogee Software LLC/

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An entity search here for "Action Entertainment" and choosing the last entry and then choosing "public information report" reveals that Mike Nielsen is the "President" and "Director" of that company:

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It seems so, and the article has already been modified to reflect that. However, there hasn't been yet an official statement explaining the exact status and reasons for the closing of the company. --

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think there should be a new page for Apogee Software LLC, which tries to clearly state its relationship with Apogee Software Ltd (3D Realms), and which contains further info about its new games. --

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I've been thinking about it, and though the merge is ok, probably the article should be called Apogee Software, as it is the real company name still, even though it may be known by other names...

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I love how this is considered an encyclopedic term. Even if it is worthy of a wiki, it's hardly legitimate in use in an encyclopedia; it just sounds too much like insider-industry slang.

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Bleh, sorry for the vandalism earlier. I'm kind of the caretaker of the dorm IP address and some people think it's funny to edit entries for fun and get everyone banned from contributing.

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Sorry for being ignorant. The article is much clearer now with the addition of headings and a better introduction, and I agree with all five of your points above. I did remove

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new alterations to make it seem less convoluted. Your welcome to revert my alterations as long as you include the above 5 points yourself. Oh btw, as for my headings,

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Inclusion of Software Creations BBS, a staple of Apogee for many years, and the primary method of distrubution used by many people in the day (before Shareware CD's).

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tag; from my read, the entirety of the "3D Realms (1996–2009)" subsection is unsourced, and I noticed several unsourced statements in the following two subsections.

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the info on Apogee Software publishing and Mobila Interactive developing the ROTT Iphone port comes from the Apogee Software webpage, the rest is from mobygames.

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Notice that the previous 3DR games released on GoG were put there by the new Apogee. Also notice that Shadow Warrior on GoG was published by Devolver Digital:

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Include an introduction that says immediately what they are known for popularising Shareware, Wolf3D, Keen, Nukem and a quick note they operate as 3D Realms.

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and a handful of other games. The Apogee that exists today is Apogee Software, LLC, not to be confused with the original company, Apogee Software, Ltd."

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That Slipgate Holdings ApS(and thereby indirectly Kent Hedegaard Christoffersen) owns 100% of Slipgate Studios is reflected on the ownership tab here:

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who made what. Splitting was just a suggestion to make the distinction clearer—we can probably do something like the Sonic Team/Sonic Team USA case at

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I'm unsure if the above game exists, as clicking on the link links to a game called Vivisector, which is by another company. Can anyone explain this?

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I also wanted to remove the term "Spin-off" when describing Apogees two subsidiaries, 3D Realmas and Pinball Wizard.... it was rather unencyclopedic.

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Sorry Teklund for my wording, i'm dyslexic and tend to write very convolutedly, however I did include new information with my contribution such as;

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That source in turn lists "Mike Secher Dalsgaard Nielsen" as a beneficial owner, on account of owning 100% of MDN Holding ApS, of 80% of 3D Realms.

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Here's the gist of it: Knowledge is currently treating two companies called 3D Realms as a single entity. Mike Nielsen only acquired the rights to

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According to the book masters of doom Apogee wasn't doing a good job selling there games. They didn't have enough people manning the phones.

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https://datacvr.virk.dk/data/visenhed?enhedstype=virksomhed&id=38541161&soeg=Slipgate%20Studios%20ApS&type=Alle&language=en-gb

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website: "Apogee publishes original content for retail distribution of games for the PC and next generation consoles and handhelds."(

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Well, as I said, MobyGames, the best reference I have, say they are all SoftDisk games. If it is wrong, so be it. You can also try

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You do realize that there are two companies called Apogee Software with the SAME PURPOSE, right? One's 3D Realms, and the other is

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Both of the XBLA titles should go on the list of titles developed since they were done internally as can be seen by their credits:

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3D Realms was relaunched in October 2014, and incorporated as 3D Realms Entertainment ApS in 2015. Mike Nielsen, the founder and

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There's word that 3D Realms may have been shut down, but its only as best-guess speculation (no one in 3D realms has confirmed).

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Alright, here's a clear list of changes based on my now-complete research. I apologize for not formatting it like this earlier,

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Following the acquisition, 3D Realms was relaunched in October 2014, and incorporated as 3D Realms Entertainment ApS in 2015.

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because he's no longer involved with the Danish company. What he's said to me is pretty similar to what he wrote in this

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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I don't doubt the factual accuracy of this statement, but a source here would be informative. The earliest version of

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that he specifically purchased the 3D Realms brand and Apogee remained a separate entity. Miller also states in this

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shared employees (Miller, at minimum). I know I need to go check that nothing from Apogee Entertainment leaked into

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I'm talking about The Computer Quiz, The Astronomy Quiz and the IBM BASIC Quiz, not the Star Trek trivia games.

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That Kent Hedegaard Christoffersen owns 100% of Slipgate Holdings ApS is reflected on the ownership tab here:

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The small list of large publishers that quickly adopted the model and for the most part utitlised the same BBS.

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in the "Current state and products" we should mention th max payne movie heres a link to some info about it

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When the sultans of shareware went retail (Reprint from the February 1995 issue of Game Developer magazine)

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On a completely different note, doesn't this article give undue weight to lawsuits involving 3D Realms?

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So will Duke Nukem Forever see the light of day? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick? mcjakeqcool

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Shacknews is a pretty reliable source but until there's confirmation this shouldn't hit the main page.

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3D Realms have also signed up with GoG.com, initially releasing Shadow Warrior and Terminal Velocity:

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with

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We need a page on the new Apogee company, to start putting this info and clear up the confusions...--

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warrants a new article. Furthermore, 3D Realms Entertainment ApS was only incorporated in May 2015.

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How would 3D Realms be able to pay for being sued by Take Two if they have gone bust? mcjakeqcool

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Why do we need two different pages for the same company just because they changed their name? The

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Machineworks Northwest is mentioned as the publisher(and developer?) of Duke3D for Android here:

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Again, I must give my thanks for that infomation, as it has been very helpful. mcajakeqcool

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I should know, I work here at Apogee - this is Joe Siegler, webmaster for the company. :)

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Tell me if I'm wrong, but I do belive that 3d Realms are defunct. Am I wrong? mcjakeqcool

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I agree, this should be entitled Apogee Software, since that is the company's legal name.

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Seeking clarification on some of those statements, as they could be somewhat misleading:

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would need to be updated to reflect this, as would the links in articles for games like

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did not even start work on Doom until after they moved into Suite 666 (post-Apogee).

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Yeah, in my conversations with Miller, it seems that he cares about the distinction

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I dunno, I'll google this one and then see if I can give ya a answer. mcjakeqcool

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the "Apogee Software" name, library, and logo were licensed to Terry Nagy in 2008

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The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:

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I'm not sure how to change it, but Apogee should no longer refer to 3d realms:

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My suggestion would be to handle this like we handle Telltale Games: like how

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Sources for THQ Nordic acquiring the Rad Rodgers IP can be found here: and

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Lakefall, may I thank you, as that infomation has been helpful. mcjakeqcool

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Don't know. One can only guess that they got a better deal elsewhere. —

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At the end of the subsection "New ownership (2014–2021)", add the line "

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Thankyou again, that infomation has been helpful aswell. mcjakeqcool

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also Apogee games? Or are those Softdisk games / Scott Miller games?

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So do you think there should be 2 separate pages for the companies?

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So do you think there should be 2 separate pages for the companies?

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the "Apogee Software" name and logo were sold to Terry Nagy in 2008

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This is a continuation of the discussion in the move proposal above

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Emphaisisng Apogee's role in the wide spread adoption of Shareware.

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.

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Miller and Nagy reacquired the Apogee name from 3D Realms in 2021

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Source for Duke3D for Android, DNF DLC and Shadow Warrior iOS

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tag—there are massive swaths of text that are unsourced.)

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not own the game, they just have a deal to publish it. –

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https://3drealms.com/news/thq-acquires-rad-rodgers-ip/

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Apogee Software LLC vs Apogee Software Ltd (3D Realms)

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OK, I'm a doofus. You did say the pre-Apogee stuff.

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