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Hindustani/Khariboli as "Hindi" or "Urdu" or just "Hindustani", depending on their background. After partition, Hindustani/Khariboli was standardized for Perso/Arabic and with Sanskritizations removed, and it was called Urdu. So, Urdu can refer to Hindustani or to Urdu register of Hindustani. On the other side, Hindustani was standardized into a Sanskritized register with Perso-Arabic loans removed. This was called Modern Standard Hindi. So, "Hindi" can refer to Hindustani, Modern Standard Hindi, or the Hindi languages.
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Hindustani as medium of comunique. During British time Hindustani was standard instrument of communication in Northern India i.e. for Bengal Presidency, NWFP, Sindh, Rajputana etc. i.e. whole of todays Pakistan, Northern India, Western India and Central India at that time more than 75% of British Indian Empire, initially script was Nastaliq later Devnagiri also got place but this was only difference in script and not in words (british documents, stamps and coins are good example of this). So Hindustani is niether Hindi nor Urdu but is much broader then that.
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This map is very wrong in the sense that it doesn't depict southern or Dakhni hindi anywhere. On the other hand it shows all of
Himachal Pradesh(Western Pahari speaking area) and even parts of Jammu and Kashmir upto Punchch as Hindi belt. Also, some districts of eastern Punjab and Chandigarh are also
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I know that there is no single ethnic group for Hindi-speakers, but I'm sure that there must be a few ethnic groups who do only speak Hindi (for example the people of Uttar
Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh), not counting people from Bihar, Rajasthan, Haryana etc. I'm certain the people in the
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The way I understand it is that here there is a group of closely related languages called the "Hindi languages". Of those, Khariboli was one of them and it became the most used of all the Hindi languages. Persian, English, Portuguese, etc. loanwords came into the
Khariboli which was also called
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North India and the Hindi Belt (btw why does the name of this article keep changing?) are not the same at all. There are many regions of North India that are not Hindi speaking - Jammu & Kashmir, Himachal, Punjab. Then there are areas which are Hindi speaking that aren't included under some
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This map is very wrong in the sense that it doesn't depict southern or Dakhni hindi anywhere. On the other hand it shows areas that are not even Hindi dialect speaking like all of
Himachal Pradesh which is a Western Pahari speaking area which has upto 90% legibility with Dogri and neighbouring
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Punbjabi and even parts of Jammu and Kashmir upto Punchch as part of the Hindi belt. Also, some districts of eastern Punjab and Chandigarh are also included which are exclusively Punjabi speaking. It seems an attempt to artificially "expand" the Hindi speaking area.
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University Press. New York 1992." has been titled "Distribution of Hindi languages"
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