Talk:Methamphetamine/Archive 4

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was in his early teens and had bought some beakers. He was visited by the police soon after. Drug labs will avoid glassware for that reason, but also because it's expensive and the methods involving it are often more complex. It is extremely common to find household items in both illegal drug labs and even those being used by amateurs for legal hobby experimentation; again, due to the cost of blown borosilicate. Raids on suspected drug labs can mean removing everything from the house that could be used as a stand in for lab glassware. That includes measuring jugs, jars, funnels, buckets, plastic containers, gas cylinders and so on. I have heard of people using plastic fizzy drinks bottles for pressurised reactions before. It is effective for catalytic oxidations, which require around 1/4 of the rated burst pressure of the container. I have also heard others speculating about low pressure hydrogenation. Of particular concern would be this 'Shake and Bake' meth synthesis, which is a simplified version of the birch reduction that requires dry ice and anhydrous ammonia. Instead, the dry ice is being substituted by containing the ammonia as it boils off. In the two other methods I mentioned, catalytic oxidation and hydrogenation, gas is added to the bottle to a set pressure, and potentially absorbed. In this, the gas is generated inside the bottle and, looking at the vapour pressure chart, it could pop the bottle. The contents of the bottle are an excellent mixture for a fireball; lithium, flammable solvent, hydrogen gas, possibly some oxygen from capping it, all under pressure. To add insult to injury, the bottle needs periodically venting.

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illustration in two sections of the same article. In terms of looking at the sole appearance or layout of including both images, it appear more detailed, for the simple fact it adds more illustration. As in most articles, information (text) is often repeated, though in a different context, and this same principle also applies here. In going back over what was mentioned above in more detail, these images of methamphetamine in crystalline form are of course not an item, product or drug which is legally available anywhere in the world, in addition, it's perhaps the most taboo of any illicit drug in modern culture. Therefore a person willing to contribute two high-quality photographs of the drug in this form to Knowledge/Commons or the public domain, although perhaps not unprecedented, is at the very least extremely rare, as common sense suggests a lack of interest in doing so by most users or dealers, in addition to potential concerns of drawing needless attention to evidence of their possession. As also mentioned previously, the PD images from government sources are far less superior in quality and often inferior, as shown in the current and earlier versions of the article. To conclude, having both images is more a contribution to Knowledge users, the image left floating around Commons where the majority students researching the topic for assignments and presentations (slide shows) etc., will more than likely not come across it, which they may want to add to their work, as two is better than one, as the more information and illustration in the project, the better, and this principle shouldn't be different at the Knowledge project.

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Toward the top end of the dosage scale euphoric effects diminish and a significant amount of discomfort sets in, along with anxiety. There is also the matter of tollerance. A relatively new user obviously would not use a large amount. However, I know of persons that have used in excess of one gram (iv..) The person in question looked like a pterodactyl on the verge of having a seizure. Very jerky/exagerated movement and a loss of fine motor control. Gas chromotography testing later showed the methamphetamine injected proved to be in excess of 96% pure. Oh, and not that it has any place under doseage, can we get rid of the references to methamphetamine as addictive? It is in fact non-addictive. It is most certainly habbit forming. But, to call it addictive is to cave into the mass error that we know as the media. Yes, you read that correctly. Methamphetamine is not medically addictive. The W.H.O. used to enforce the meanings on medical words. Now it allows any 'Jerry Springer' upstart to induce hysteria and make up 'facts' as they go along. Med school taught me the difference between addiction and habbit. Working at a rehab set it in.

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the severity of SSRI withdrawal but honestly the people who say SSRIs are the worst drug to come off of often have not experienced withdrawals from other drugs. I have not used methamphetamine before, thank God but I know people who have got addicted to it. SSRIs do have quite profound withdrawal symptoms but so do most psychoactive drugs. Smoking tobacco typically takes decades for its consequences to manifest, but I am not denying smoking is carcinogenic so not sure of relevance. Its consequences are different,,, so apples and oranges to compare the two. Methamphetamine can cut someone down within a matter of months, destroying their brains,,, it has a very long-term recovery,,,, prolonged psychosis is quite common,,, is very neurotoxic (just read the extensive research if you don't believe me). You say "amphetamine",,, but if you compare say dexamphetamine or even non-amphetamines stimulants such as cocaine to methamphetamine,,, methamphetamine comes out worse due to its profound and rapid development of neurotoxicity (central nervous system brain damage), prolonged post-withdrawal, neuropsychiatric syndromes etc.--

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exist.* Yes, there are changes from usage, yes there is cravings, but those are from the *habbit.* The WHO eventually gave up on trying to make that distinction, and incorrect usagage prevails. That is why you have every yahoo, druggie, and nit-wit using the term 'addiction' for anything under the sun. But, this is *suppossed* to be a factual encyclopedic forum. And, it is *fact* that physical addiction DOES NOT OCCUR! Instead of running with the incorrect masses, why don't the people that know better stand up for once? No matter how many people swear that 2+2=5, it *does not make it correct!* I would love to cite my sources. Unfortunately, doing so would kill multiple drug trials, would breach patient rights, and would get me fired. I suggest if you doubt what I say, you look up the history of the word 'addiction' with the World Health Organization. @Skeptical Chymist: You sound like someone that would be very interesting to talk to. You are interested in PEAs, huh? Ever heard of methy-MDA?

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Unlike dopamine antagonists, BMY 14802 did not induce major changes in the acute motor effects of 2 mg/kg methamphetamine. Repeated administration of methamphetamine induced progressive augmentation of stereotyped behaviors and resulted in behavioral sensitization. However, repeated administration of methamphetamine in combination with BMY 14802 at either dose produced no increase in the intensity of stereotypy when compared with the first treatment. After a 7-day abstinence period, a challenge test with methamphetamine alone revealed supersensitivity of methamphetamine-sensitized rats to subsequent methamphetamine, whereas rats pretreated with repeated methamphetamine in combination with BMY 14802 exhibited no difference in the intensity of stereotypy from rats pretreated with repeated saline. These results suggest that σ receptors play a crucial role in the induction of methamphetamine-induced sensitization.

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being the sign of purity in the laboratory, also became the sign of purity on the street. However, again, it has nothing to do with which enantomer, or if it was racemic. Which, leads me to another portion of this article that is not correct: The section on who synthesized it first. Recrystalization is a step that follows reduction (of ephedra alkaloids) and gassing or titration with aqueuos HCL. There is no method, what-so-ever to synthesize crystalized methamphetamine one step. It is a volatile liquid! It must be bound to a mineral acid to salt it out! Finally, yes, it is available as the freebase. The freebase is commonly called 'snot.' It's difficult to handle and smells horrible; like a combination of ammonia and rotten fish. It is smoked. The epithelial cells in the lungs absorb nonpolar compounds such as methamphetamine freebase in exactly the same way that they absorb cocaine freebase.

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these chemicals are vasoconstrictors.) I didn't see anything regarding it, but there is a semi-true rumor that 'speed' can be extracted from inhalers. And, while it's true that the levorotary form can be removed with great difficulty. It is also true that it is prohibitively expensive, it is tainted with camphor, and it's not very useful for recreational purposes. I do not suggest it and that is why I do mention it. Using large amounts of the L-form can cause significant heart strain. I have heard of a method to convert chiral atoms to racemic mixtures via refluxing in a halo-acid. But, it seems like a tremendous amount of effort for something so insignificant. Drugs are boring. It's the people that are funny.

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It is common knowledge that extreme stimulants such as meth and cocaine cause sociopathic conditions in users by destroying key neurons, specifically the empathic mirror and spindle cells. I absolutely cannot help but notice that the "handle" you are using here as the word meth in it, and I honestly have to wonder if it does not mean "ButOnMethYouAreOn." Your conception that I want to "introduce" my "slant" seems to me to be paranoia on your part--a typical symptom of meth use. After watching the effects of meth and related drugs in the environment around me, I know that this article describes it nearly purely inaccurately, and I want to see that changed so that people are not mislead by it.--

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strawberry. It is not even smoked in the same way. It is really inaccurate to call this "meth in Thailand". Meth is Thailand is "ice", it looks just like the drug in europe or other parts of the world- like glass shards. Yaa baa is a orange or red pill a little smaller than a typical "E" pill. "yaa baa" is really so different to "ice" that it is inaccurate to report meth in Thailand as "yaabaa" despite the chemical simularities- as Thailand is afflicted with "ice" just like other countries but just so happens to also have the pill form in "yaabaa". You are more likely to be able to find "ice" in Bangkok or other major cities than you are "yaa baa". Hope this helps.

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they can only rationalize, which means thinking purely sequentially-based on many tiny calculations, or ratios: causal thinking. In nature these defectives are marginalized, and hence prevented from reproducing. But because of the intellectual nature of human empathy, which tends to anthropomorphism, these anti-empathic defectives are actually encouraged to reproduce as part of well-intentioned attempts to bring meaning to their lives: the human flaw of attempting to teach kindness to those who cannot conceive of it. Those who may be in this category cannot accept the neurological sense-based explanation for empathy.--

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would be led to believe with the name 'one pot synthesis.' The 'shake and bake' productions often explode because of an inability to contain the pressure (think busted soda bottle, not firey 80' TV explosion.) When using the Birch inhalation of ammonia gas is a very real possibility. And, it's a hazardous gas. In addition, it's cold. And can cause frostbite. Typically, any inhalation issues are going to be ammonia, phosphine, hydrogen chloride, or hydrogen iodide. None of them are too healthy. But the first two are the more dangerous (and completely avoidable if the synthesis is done safely.)

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mucus production (cotton mouth), which would also seem to be beneficial in terms of reducing transmission. I believe the problems to be (as others have pointed out), unprotected sex, promiscuous sex, sex with people who are swapping needles, open cuts in the mouth (as a result of chewing their cheeks and lips) and more aggressive and longer duration sex (combined with less mucus production, leading to a higher probability of blood transmission). Some users will also have open cuts on their skin, as a result of picking at spots, scars or 'meth bugs', although that isn't stricly sex related.

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Hygiene, Use in pregnancy and breastfeeding, and Public health issues are facts and effects of methamphetamine - suggesting sexually promiscuous behavior and unprotected sex is an effect is ludicrous, if someone is prone to such behavior, methamphetamine may exacerbate this, but that's common sense. Suggesting "forgetfulness" as an effect of methamphetamine and contributing to this problem is equally ludicrous. Moreover, there are no sources. If there are no objections, I'll remove this section. If it's to be reinstated, it would require reliable sources.

2409:... So what then does this say of the ionic properties of these amphetamine class drugs otherwise and their effect in the brain? Is this ionic charge greater than most salts imbibed as an abusable substance that readily crosses the BBB? How does it, if at all, elicit radicals with its affect, and would those radicals have any radiological properties with resultant waveforms that would be read as an increased radio signal made in the image of ones existent brain signaling pathways extended outward? No 'MK Ultra' experiment implication intended. ;-P 1610:. That said, the lead section is incomplete. Among other things, I think it should be expanded to briefly discuss the most important aspects of both abuse/addiction and medicinal use. This would include things like what it's prescribed for in various countries and that methamphetamine abuse is widely recognized as a serious and growing problem in some areas. Things that aren't essential to the discussion of methamphetamine, like neurological effects or particular social attitudes, don't belong in the lead. 3755:

it weren't for these contributions, there would be no quality images of crystalline methamphetamine for the article at all. One is certainly better than none, but two is still better than the one. It remains that there shouldn't be any strong incentives at all for having one of the two image removed from the article, rather the opposite, as they both illustrate different text and are not redundantly displayed on top of one another or illustrating the same text. That's my two cents.

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implies that the substance (whether it is regarded as a drug or not) is prohibited. Hence this might be nitpicking - drugs in South Africa are Scheduled from S0 (such as paracetamol ) up to S7 (including medicine that may be prescribed such as morphine ) and after that, S8 and S9 prohibited substances (such as the amphetamines, cannabis, methaqualone, etc. ) which are only made available for research purposes (but needless to say, abused widely).

31: 430:" is no longer correct. To start with, it was merely a Substance Summary page on PubChem (NCBI), where "Pervitin" is just mentioned in the list of "Depositor-Supplied Synonyms" (no particular connection with Nazi Germany was made there and "Pervitin" was a name for pharmaceutical methamphetamine after WWII in some countries, e.g. Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia). Secondly, even that page on PubChem got revoked by the depositor in 2006. 3505: 2454: 2219:

basic stuff is usually present on a Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS). Sure, there are vague descriptions of impure forms of the chemical synthesized with improvised equipment, but not what a certified factory might produce. (I guess this was overlooked by all those enthusiastic editors who piled onto the article because of the lurid subject matter, which is actually just a

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do not cite their sources, in fact it seems as if they use wikipedia as their source. Just to be clear: I do not doubt airmen and tank crews were given methamphetamine in WWII, I just have seen no verifiable source about chocolate with Methamphetamines handed out. This concern has been raised previously in the Talk Archives as well, but it seems not to have been resolved.

1823:(Here I start at the beginning.) There is nothing in this article from the social perspective that resembles anything I, or any one I know, has experienced in real life. It has failed common scrutiny and therefore must be mostly lie. (I have discussed this issue with friends and they all showed surprise at the facts presented here.) 1275:"Acute METH intoxication results in powerful stimulation of the sympathetic nervous system resulting in mydriasis (pupil dilation), hypertension, tachycardia, diaphoresis, and hyperthermia.The reinforcing or positive effects of acute administration include euphoria, increased energy, heightened attentiveness, hypersexuality, and 1911:"phenyl-2-propanone" to be what they called "prop dope", whereas modern U.S. crystal meth is made from pseudoephedrine and purely a dextro-rotary, single isomer form of methamphetamine. Can anyone confirm from a colloquial interest here in this discussion page whether racemic meth has more of a rush at onset than dextro-meth? 3591:

where not using the reagents but the by-products as a 'finger print' for batches, so they could potentially identify if two samples found in different locations where from the same synthesis. From memory, I seem to recall that the group did not investigate what these other products where, merely their distribution.

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on the subject but rather I found even in the main article these issues were not discussed, only a section on acute "side effects". Anyhow, I do not have a huge amount of time to expand on this important area but if any editors have the time if the harms associated with methamphetamine could be added

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I can't find any reference to "Alabama high tech" being the slang term for methamphetamine anywhere on the Web or in the several books on methamphetamine I have. Neither have I ever come across it in the press. Perhaps it should be removed? Because my feeling is that it was added as a joke, "just for

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And then get distracted and start tidying the kitchen for 27 hours. :P On a more serious note, why would vasoconstriction lead to a higher rate of disease transmission? If you're talking about blood transmission, constriction is going to reduce the amount of crossover. Users also tend to have reduced

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I'm of the opinion that this section should be reduced to one or two paragraphs. Almost all of it is unreferenced and there are entire articles dedicated to each route. These articles should be wikilinked and only the most important and notable aspects of administration should be included. Trivia and

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I am going to say outright that your statements "was not considered a problem when it was first studied" and "did not see significant abuse until the 1930s" are so irrelevant to anything I may have said that you have forced me to believe that you don't have the ability to understand what I am saying.

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I don't think a discussion about psychoactive drugs is complete without some material about their effects on the underlying neurology, and how that affects behavior. Here the discussion skips right to neurotransmitters, which are a subset of neurology. It creates an incomplete, and hence irrelevant,

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Having seen the effects of abuse in various environments around me, I think that supporting material needs to be located so that the enhanced self-esteem reference can be replaced with narcissism, which is what I have seen. Linked to narcissism in this context is cynicism and paranoia as the effects

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The ld50 for methamphetamine is about 15 to 20 mg/kg*. For a 70kg adult that's between 1 and 1.5 grams. That's maybe possible, but it is an utterly astounding dosage (about 50 or so time a recreational dose). From that I'd at least think that overdoses wouldn't be as nearly as common a cause of death

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In some states, possession of glassware will certainly warrant investigation by the authorities. I have heard that it is particularly prominent in Texas. In Australia / New Zealand, I have spoken to numerous people who have been investigated or reported as a result of buying glassware. One individual

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It doesn't sound like one. So far as I know, the typical "meth lab" set up in the United States is single pot and involves something like a soda bottle. But I don't think this is the result of legal restrictions on glassware (though I do know that glassware HAS become less accessible). I'll look into

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The shake and bake is largely media hype. It involved using ammonia salts to produce ammonia gas on the fly, and under pressure, theoretically producing liquid ammonia. The liquid ammonia is commonly used in what is known was the Birch reduction; aka solvated electron. It is more complicated that one

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Oh, one last thing: crystals are not the sign of purity that they once were. Methamphetamine is commonly cut with MSM. The crystals that form are larger than would normally form. They look beautiful, but they burn up right away. It can be removed with acetone. But, I doubt that wikipedia is the place

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Crystal meth vs. meth, agreed: It's the same thing. You need a citation? lol. Anyone that passed high school chemistry can tell you that. It has nothing to do with the specific enantomer. 'Crystal' simply means that the substance has been allowed to crystalize. Crank, typically, is powdered. Crystals

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headings (where they both are as of now), as well as the image captions used, they're both illustrating different text of the article within their respective sections. In my opinion it's worth keeping the two, they're both significant contributions to the article, and as I'd previously mentioned, if

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Whilst I agree with the statement, as it should be fairly obvious to those with some experience with chemistry that an average drug lab is not all that interested in washing, extracting, recrystallising, distilling and loosing yield, I believe the converse effect, of unsubstantiated fear, is not the

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We have demonstrated for the first time that the σ antagonist BMY 14802 prevents the development of behavioral sensitization induced by repeated administration of methamphetamine. Rats received an intraperitoneal injection of 15 or 30 mg/kg BMY 14802 followed by 2 mg/kg methamphetamine 30 min later.

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I think the simple fact that the prison population in the US has increased in factors over recent years specifically because of sociopathic behaviors caused by this and similar drugs is fact enough to present a case here on the talk page forcing a complete re-write of the article so that it actually

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and many others). Many humans don't have a full set of functioning empathic neurons, and the percentage may be as much as 20%. This high percentage explains the extreme resistance to their existence, as those without the neurons cannot conceive of having them. In fact they cannot conceive at all;

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Fatal overdoses are exceedingly rare (I've had no luck in pulling up hard numbers) and I suspect that rarely do they have anything to do with acute toxicity. The most likely scenario seems to be heart failure, where the heart is previously ravaged by drug use. If heart failure is the actual cause of

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In the article for Fliegerschokolade in the German Knowledge, Methamphetamine is not mentioned at all (Actually, Fliegerschokolade is still sold in Germany). So I think we need a citation for the claim that Airmen were handed out chocolate with Methamphetamine. All the References I found with Google

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For the freebase there's Norodin (Endo), for the hydrochloride form: Amphedroxyn (Lilly); Desfedrin; Desoxyfed; Desoxyn (Abbott); Destim (Central Pharm.); Doxephrin; Drinalfa (Squibb); Gerobit (Gerot); Hiropon; Isophen (Knoll); Madrine (Langley); Methampex (Lemmon); Methedrine (Burroughs Wellcome);

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Does anyone have a reliable source for the level of usage in the States? In the UK, the 2009/10 British Crime Survey (England and Wales only, not including Scotland or Northern Ireland) estimates 309,000 people aged 16-59 had used methamphetamine at least once in their lives, 16,000 who had used it

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You are talking to someone who has experienced a cold turkey SSRI withdrawal. :) Rather nasty but not even close to being the worst experience of my life. I know lots and lots of people who have had problems with a wide range of illicit drugs and prescribed drugs,,,, and I am not trying to minimise

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I have spent the past couple of days adding in information about the effects on mental and physiological health associated with long-term methamphetamine use/abuse. I came to this article to see what it said about the damage methamphetamines can cause and was surprised that essentially there was no

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In the pharmacology section, it states that the levo enantiomer of methamphetamine is not addictive nor a stimulant. Actually, l-methamphetamine is stimulating, but at higher doses than the d enantiomer mendelson et al., Clin Pharmacol Ther. 2006 Oct;80(4):403-20. Further, l-methamphetamine fully

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I had a look at sexual behavior and it's riddled with unreliable information and claims. We all know that methamphetamine increases the libido and sexual pleasure, it's mentioned in the lead and under psychological effects. Furthermore, this information is listed under "Health issues" - Meth mouth,

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The article currently lacks any sort of physical description of the chemical. Is it a solid, liquid or gas? Is it colorless, white, blue, green, whatever? If it's a solid, is it a powder, crystal, or glassy, amorphous mass? What is its solubility in water and various other solvents? This kind of

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As I recall, L-amphetamine is more active in some parts of the brain than D-amphetamine. L-meth on the other hand is not considered active in the brain at all and has no recreational potential by itself. You may be onto something, but I think it would be a mistake to apply information about racemic

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Your support for separating neurotransmitters from neurology, and the drug itself from the effects it has, is actually suspect as it appears to deliberately disable the proper construction of Science knowledge. I mean this as critical inquiry, for both you and the article, but experience has shown

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My Brother was recently and mysteriously killed or died suddenly,I really want to know if it is possible to die from an Methamphetimine/amphetamine overdose,is it possible with constant regular use that the drug will cause death,what would the dose rate be and the duration period of taking the drug

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South Africa In South Africa, methamphetamine is classified as a Schedule 5 drug, and is listed as Undesirable Dependence-Producing Substances in Part III of Schedule 2 of the Drugs and Drug Trafficking Act, 1992 (Act No 140 of 1992). Commonly called tik, it is mostly abused by youths under the age

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Amphetamine, and methamphetamine are two distinctly seperate compounds. The former has a more physically profound effect whereas the latter has more of a psychological effect. That being said, overdosing on methamphetamine is rare. However, someone believing that they have overdosed is not so rare.

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Meth with respect to society, culture, and the law is certainly a relevant topic, but probably a topic of its own. I think it justifies its own article, perhaps as a subset of drug culture. There is no denying the neurological connection between drugs and behavior, so perhaps a discussion article

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I noticed that Phenylephrine, the active ingredient in the product Sudafed PE (non-drowsy), is not included in either the list of compounds that produce false positives nor the list of compounds that do not. Considering its prevalence, this seems like it would be relevant for inclusion. Does anyone

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The first line in the Hostory section (Methamphetamine was first synthesized from ephedrine in Japan in 1893 by chemist Nagai Nagayoshi. T) and the caption of the photo right next to it (Crystal methamphetamine was first synthesized in 1919 by Akira Ogata) are obviously in direct contradiction of

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Keep in mind that a number of perfectly legal products are sold with contaminants in them from their production process; a number of polymers leak carcinogenic or hormone mimicking compounds. Yet these are widely accepted as safe despite there being substantiated evidence of their presence and the

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and there's some valid points there, but the section was exaggerating the problem in the least. Methamphetamine does allow people to have prolonged sex, causing abrasions, bruxism could increase the risk of STDs as a result of oral abrasions, so perhaps reintroducing the section under a title like

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can be applied to you as well. The article should reflect reality, not misconception. From my view, you seem to want to protect misconception, which cannot be allowed. For instance, your statement that meth is a "serious and growing problem in some areas" should read, "abuse was widely epidemic

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Somehow I think that the FDA view of the drug is irrelevant. I cannot see how a drug that can be shown to be so addicting and prone to creating violent psychosis could be legal for any use; certainly there are less dangerous stimulants. It deserves mention, but its actual relevance needs further

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Thank you for your support. Your opinion that "not one of those items belongs in the lead" is correct, but on its own it does not count for much. You have to argue rationally in its favor. I appreciate that you are in a Wikiwar with Editor182. However, I have an interest in phenethylamines, and my

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I am not, even when signed in, able to edit the page on methamphetamine, which contains a factual error - the article states that methamphetamine is a S5 drug, which is in fact untrue, all amphetamines are S9 Prohibited substances in South Africa. I understand that Schedule 5, outside South Africa

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You, sir, are a complete idiot. I don't know what "med school" you went to, but you might want to inquire about getting a refund. You can't even properly spell common words associated with addiction (tolerance, dosage, habit), yet you try to pass yourself off as some kind of specialist? Is this

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I built a new structure using ACD ChemSketch but I can't seem to export it into a suitable format for wikipedia, i.e. the .svg format. I can only export as a .bmp, .gif, and .png which are quite small and crappy compared to the types already here. If you know of how I can do this, let me know -- I

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article, so I would imagine this article only deals with dextromethamphetamine (which is misleading because the article title is simply methamphetamine which implies a racemic substance), but if you can make an image representing the accurate stereochemistry of the racemic compound and can replace

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The legality section is very big and there's nothing stopping it from getting bigger over time. I think the solution is that the country-specific information should be split into a separate article and that the legality section in this article should consist of a brief global view of the subject.

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I know I get more of speedy "rush" with racemic amphetamine, although it has more unpleasant peripheral side effects. With dextroamphetamine I have less of that speedy energy, it's more of a head high. I'm assuming there is enough of a similarity between amphetamine and methylamphetamine to apply

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Certainly you can die from (methyl)amphetamine toxicity, you can die from water too, the dose makes the poison. Constant use can lead to death, but amphetamine psychosis, sleep deprivation, and malnutrition are the biggest worries with chronic use. Everyone reacts differently to drugs so I cannot

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Methamphetamine addiction does not exist. Please remember that the World Health Organization tried to make the distinction between 'addiction' and 'habbit' known. One of the measures was to 'invent' psychological addiction aka habbit. True physical addiction with methamphetamine, again, *does not

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Hi sorry if I mess this up- just want to mention for Thailand- where most articles always say its "yaa baa" (which is true, in a way), the drug is actually called "ice". Thais speaking thai will call the drug "ice". "yaa baa" is meth sold in a pill form, with added caffeine and flavouring such as

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Chocolate has beta-phenethylamine in it. You have more chance of hitting a false positive from eating too many Hershey bars than you do from taking phenylephrine (useless chemical in my opinion.) Pseudoephedrine works very well. Methamphetamine works excedingly well for nasal decongestion (all of

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My first impulse is against this, but the section clearly had a bit of kudzu DNA. I've reduced it all to straight text. I haven't checked through references or confirmed the terms - it needs that, plus some secondary sourcing, and after that... maybe some of the stuff could be moved. Covering

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As far as I am aware, after a significant amount of searching, there is very little (barely any) material from a qualified resource that has done a detailed, broad study of contamination by reagents for any synthetic drug. The closest I have seen was one by the Australian police for Ecstasy, who

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The Routes of Administration section is full of unreferenced medical folklore that could be dangerous. I have tried to clean it up in the past, but to no avail, it was simply put back. I have tagged what I could as unreferrenced. I deleted the Suppository section because it seemed to be the most

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while 'meth' is well known slang for methamphetamine, it is a colloquialism. We should be following the nomenclature listed in the sources we use for reference, not general use by the public. As far as I know, no pharmaceutical journal would call methamphetamine simply 'meth'. Knowledge articles

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Strawberry quik is probably a myth, caused by overactive police imaginatons and strange fears about kids being tempted to take drugs, the playground dealer idea. In fact the snopes page to which the article links says there is no evidence for such a thing. The section should be removed or should

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L-amphetamine is most definitely centrally active, though on the whole it's not as active as D-amphetamine. If you want to know more, I remember reading a paper last year that suggested that P-glycoprotein (I think) is involved in the transport of L-amp, D-amp, and D-meth across the BBB, but not

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For notability, we should use Google hits. Local, obscure, or erroneous nicknames won't make the cut. A more important issue is how we address nicknames. How do we most effectively make the distinction between meth, crystal meth, and glass? Use a dedicated section? Personally I'd like to see the

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Whilst it is highly likely that it is not fully cleaned up, this is a statement made about just about every illegal drug with no reference or statistical figures. It is often used in a misleading fashion, e.g. it is apparent from reading comments from members of the public that not only a large

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I get that it illustrates a single sentence, and the caption paraphrases this sentence, but if that's your standard of inclusion you could put pictures of that one crystal in in a dozen different sections. You have to account for how multiple pictures of the same subject, distinguished only by

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I had a colloquial conversation with an erudite professional individual about the longterm effects of methamphetamine, and she claimed she had spent years researching medical journals, and though could not cite me a source, claimed that it takes 4 years to recover all your DAT (dopamine active

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I know an old school, 72 year old, amphetamine abuser who says the current crystal meth doesn't have the rush and onset as the old "prop dope" and he said it was a different drug prior to 2000. Doing a google search, I only find that a racemic (dextro & Levo) methamphetamine, yielding from

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Energy, biologically, is the chemical conversion of matter that allows for life; here it is used to described neural changes that trick a higher organism into thinking it has more energy than it has, allowing the organism's probably defectve mind to push itself beyond its limits. I have seen

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There are several versions of the "shake and bake" method. It's more formally known as a one pot synthesis. The most common version is reductive amination with lithium in a bottle. Though that's not a new method by any means. As for the article, it is possible for chemicals used in and around

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I edited this caption to make it more concise and relevant to the article (removing the role of the agency and method of detection). Another consideration is whether the photo belongs under the "addition" section, when it might be more appropriate for a distribution or trafficking section.

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In fact I think SSRIs cause much more long term effects than methamphetamine use, ask anyone who has used them for a long period of time and suddenly stopped. Calling methamphetaine the most destructive drug of abuse is ridiculous considering the death toll from tobacco and alcohol far far

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I'll add another 2 cents to say that I see where you're coming from. However, I think it's unfair to say it's no better than using the same image, as it's obviously not a duplicate image posted in two different sections in the same article, instead it provides a second different image for

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is a show about a struggling high school chemistry teacher who is diagnosed with terminal lung cancer and begins manufacturing methamphetamine to provide for his family after his impending death. The show mentions several methods to synthesize methamphetamine and goes into explaining the

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I'm not a master of IUPAC convention or anything, but wouldn't a more accurate chemical structure be one showing that the methyl on carbon 2 of the alkyl chain (the chiral center) be a mixture of stereoisomers...similar to how amphetamine is represented as a mixture of stereoisomers?

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On Bruce Springsteen's album 'The Ghost of Tom Joad' the song 'Sinaloa Cowboys' deals with a pair of Mexican brothers who are employed cooking crystal meth until an accident destroys the factory. The song highlights the helplessness of the immigrant in their slide into criminality.

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Crystal meth is (dextro)methamphetamine hydrochloride. Crank is "racemic" (dextro/levo)methamphetamine hydrochloride. Methamphetamine base, whether dextro or levo (or both) rotatory is not a street drug because it is an oil insoluble in water and cannot absorb into the bloodstream.

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Actually I am pretty sure an amphetamine overdose resulting in fatality is not very likely, anyway you are correct, when someone says they are using a gram of methamphetamine it is always cut street methamphetamine. Methamphetamine's recreational dosing tends to fall under 100 mg.

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Crystal methamphetamine is not the same thing as methamphetamine any more than crack is the same thing as powder cocaine. Someone should either remove the part where they are referred to as identical and rewrite a subsection about crystal, or start a new page on crystal meth.

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I imagine one can easily guess how I feel about the drug in the environment, but what I am looking for here is accuracy. I believe that inaccuracy here actually supports the opposite cause: people who, for a variety of reasons, want this drug to further spread throughout the

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Both amphetamine and methamphetamine are schedule 7 according to the Medicines and Related Substances Act of 2003. Amphetamine and dextroamphetamine are also schedule 8, but there is no schedule 9. Unfortunately, I can't find anything explaining what these schedules mean.

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and eventually split out into a dedicated article this would be great. I am not sure though if there are any motivated editors watchlisting this page interested in improving it? Hopefully there is; it is a very important article topic and needs improving and expanding.--

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is a movie about an out-of-control speed freak (Jason Schwartzman) who was introduced to his drug of choice's creator (Mickey Rourke) by his dealer (John Leguizamo). A massive three-day adventure ensues (with Patrick Fugit, Brittany Murphy, and Mena Suvari in tow).

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Going to have to disagree with you, there. I work in a forensic toxicology lab and we see many cases of methamphetamine overdose. While deaths due to meth overdose may not be as common as, say, car accidents, I wouldn't classify it as "exceedingly rare," either.

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Boy, that is propaganda if I have ever seen it. I really doubt methamphetamine caused those problems, more like a contamination with a byproduct of methamphetamine production. Methamphetamine isn't a gas so how would those kids developed breathing problems?

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explain that hysterical mothers believe such a thing exists and its probably nonsense. Let's face it most drug dealers have a surfeit of punters, the last thing they could be bothered to do is lurk around children and hand out free flavoured samples.

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As I said, this might just be me, but I am certain that South Africa includes all the amphetamines in the Schedule 9 list ( which appears to be equal to Schedule 5, as written in the article, which makes my complaint/observation/statement redundant.

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Several things there seem dubious to me, but maybe it's best to stick to the main point: where is the scientific evidence that methamphetamine destroys mirror neurons or spindle cells? I've never seen any publication that makes such a statement.

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Is it a violation of Knowledge policies to include a detailed, graphical presentation of the various methamphetamine synthesis techniques? I don't mean pictures of clandestine meth labs or tutorials; I mean mechanism boxes with reaction diagrams.

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Free images of crystal meth are generally poor in quality, these are rare quality contributions by a private author, so I think it's unnecessary to remove either one, as there are currently very suitable sections and room available for both.

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Reaction diagrams are not a violation of policy, but the article and the synthesis section are both very long. It might make sense to remove the synthesis section from the illicit production section, but I don't think there's a POV issue.

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It's not necessary, but you have to ask yourself what having two images of the same crystal adds to the article. For the same reason we don't have a popular culture section anymore, we shouldn't keep both of these images on the article.

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Maybe you and your friends should get together and come up with some concrete proposals. Why don't you outline your ideal lead section so we know exactly where you're going? It doesn't have to be polished, but completeness is important.

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Methamphetamine was not considered a problem when it was first studied. It did not see significant abuse until the 1930s. If you're intent on introducing your slant to this article, please make sure you are at least factually accurate.

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I have no idea, being pretty much clueless about drugs, but there's a much better place for you to ask! We have virtual reference desks, where lots of knowledgeable editors and inveterate googlers hang out, answering questions. See

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I'm not good at editing articles, but there should be an article about usage rates, not only America but also in other countries where use is significant. I'd also like to know what environmental factors would drive people to meth

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have always failed. If you want to show that D,L-meth is genuinely unsuited for crystal meth, you should start with the crystal structure. But even if we assume that it is, so what? Surely someone is selling tiny D,L-meth crystals.

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some kind of joke? Needless to say, the "information" you posted is dangerously inaccurate and, for the most part, complete garbage. In the future, please refrain from commenting on topics that you know absolutely nothing about.

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Source 102 needs a new link to validate the cititation. " Mexico says pseudoephedrine case signals breakdown in port security in U.S., China AP, The Telegram (The Canadian Press), July 26, 2007. Olga R. Rodriguez" is now invalid.

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Not sure If I'm doing this according to protocol. There are no prohibitions on glassware in the US. There are prohibitions on what you put in the glassware. You can have a chem lab in your house, Just not a meth or bomb lab.

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There's no point. Legality is important for the history section, but it doesn't need to be more than two or three sentences and it doesn't deserve its own section. I'll see about combining it with the post-war use section.

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Also you are talking to the person who has done the most work on wikipedia documenting the harms of alcohol, including brain damage, physical damage to body organs, association with violence, addiction etc,,, just look at

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Crystal meth is methamphetamine, methamphetamine does not come in a freebase (rarely it does but not in crystalline form) so your comparison between cocaine (hydrochloride) and crack cocaine (freebase) is not valid.

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It's well established that there is a subjective difference between racemic meth and dextro meth. So far as I know, we only have anecdotal accounts like yours. I'm not aware of any reliable sources on the subject.

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I agree. Information on the substance itself (and ramifications of its use) is a different topic from the way in which various jurisdictions respond to use, users, and real or perceived ramifications of its use.

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There is no question about psychosis leading to extreme violence as with similar drugs. I think the term used to describe all of this is "arousal," but in such an extreme degree that homicide can be a result.

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I don't dispute that Pervitin was used in Nazi Germany (I did come across it being mentioned before, but exact details escape my memory now) - but another, more up-to-date and informative, reference is needed.

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I wasn't talking about putting it in the article, I was just relating experience. I would like to see some information about l-amp being active in the brain, I thought it didn't readily cross the BBB. Cheers.

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I would suggest that we leave anxiety out of the lead altogether. The more important effects should be listed, though what's important is debatable. Alertness, appetite suppression, and euphoria come to mind.

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can testify for that. I have this page on my watchlist, and although I could never get to improving it, it was painful to watch that a nice and clear introductory section you wrote gets reverted out of spite.

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picture. Once again, I would touch on this from the external perspective, and then, later in the article give a sparse structure of the underlying on-goings, and then point the reader to material in depth.

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information on the long-term effects. Given the drug is so neurotoxic and probably one of the most destructive drugs of abuse currently abused, I would have expected that there was a full article, such as

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Why not use the same image twice? Because that would be silly, right? So why use a different image of the same exact object? And what does a picture of crystal meth add to the history section anyway?

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Thanks a bunch. The only notable item I see is the Montana Meth Project, which should be mentioned in some discussion of the "meth epidemic". Of course, someone will have to write that section first.

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Who cares? Not one of those items belongs in the lead, in my opinion. And I don't mean to be rude, but if your presence here has something to do with a Wikiwar with Editor182, it's not appreciated.

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I don't think you're talking about an accuracy problem. I think you want the lead section to portray methamphetamine as being ruinous (granted, it often is), but that's never going to happen. See

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Crystal meth is methamphetamine in the form of crystals. It's more easily smoked and is assumed to be of greater purity, which I imagine it often is. The article should address this more clearly.

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So is L-meth metabolized to L-amp and that responsible for any central nervous system activity additional to racemic methamphetamine? (Would D-meth + L-amp be a superior mix therefore of sorts?)

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Crystal meth is mentioned and "taking bumps" is alluded to in Third Eye Blind's "Semi-Charmed Life". The whole song in general talks about meth use and the dangers/euphorias that come with it.

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Got any sources to support that "common belief" that stimulants destroy mirror and spindle cells? I don't see how this could be, since it hasn't even been definitively established that humans

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The problem is how to stop editors from adding new ones. If somebody would like to propose a "policy" for which nicknames are notable enough to mention, I will probably support it.

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Interesting, but it is just one rat study, so not sufficient to add to this article. If it gets included in a review paper at some point we could maybe add it to the article.--

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No it does not as far as I know, although it shares a phenylethylamine structure with methamphetamine. I'll see if I can get citations for whatever the case may be and add it.

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with this article. I haven't looked it over, and I just don't have the time right now to do it. I might contain stuff that has issue with Wikipolicy. Thanks for your time. --

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I would state that methamphetamine belongs to a class of stimulants, and then show what these stimulants do from the perspective of someone looking at a methamphetamine user.

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transporters) that you lose from internalization in your body. Can someone source this if true? (Another positive of dopamine reuptake inhibitors over releasers if true)

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to protect your information, which you see as unbiased--but then everyone rationalizes their biases unless they discipline themselves to think openly, myself included.--

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refers to the "shake and bake" method. Which one is that? Can somebody please add a little sentence identifying which method is the "shake and bake" method. Thanks.

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televised evidence that the al Qaeda uses this type of drug for this purpose, which is typically suicidal; as does the US military, which is at very least homicidal.

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The list of articles for the trial is being reconsidered, in light of feedback from editors, and should be ready in a day or two. If you have any thoughts about the

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Please, methamphetamine has many many nicknames and we cannot just add them all. They must be notable, if you wish to add a new nickname add them to the <ref: -->

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Your reading is incorrect. It wouldn't surprise me if most or almost all crystal meth on the street were 100% D-meth, but what Shulgin said is that efforts to make

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amphetamine to racemic methamphetamine. If you really want to put this in the article, racemic vs dextro meth is probably well documented in a few animal studies.

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substitutes for d-methamphetamine at a higher dose in rat self-administration studies Desai and Bergman, J Pharmacol Exp Ther. 2010 DOI:10.1124/jpet.110.173773.

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for the different categories available; guessing you'll either want science, or possibly humanities (for more of an original research slant). Hope that helps.

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Would you mind sharing with us the criteria for identifying fatal methamphetamine overdose? I'd also be interested to see any real-world numbers for such cases.

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Taking methamphetamine reduces anxiety; it is withdrawal that is accompanied by anxiety. In my version of the lead I simply re-phrased an authoritative book "

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According to erowid.org, an intraveneous dose of 100 mg of methamphetamine is extremely strong. A single dose of one gram is likely to kill even an addict.

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As the image caption says; "Crystal methamphetamine was first synthesized in 1919 by Akira Ogata". That adds to the history section and is not silly at all.

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should reflect popular consensus, not spark nomenclature debates that would definitely arise if we became the first encyclopedia to drop the '-amphetamine'.

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Someone on IRC submitted a request for an article with Articles for creation. He/She did not see this article. Could an expirianced user look at merging

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scientific findings on receptor activations which reduce/reverse methamphetamine sensitization which otherwise occurs from with repeated administration

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If you have references to the medical literature which says that SSRIs are as bad or are worse than methamphetamine we can discuss their relevance.--

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dubious section, see both the notice at the top of this Talk page about not using personal expericence and also the Doubtful and Harmful clause of

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of the drug include changes to neural activity that separate the user from reality--and especially from the needs of people surrounding the user.

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be, his death certificate simply states he died from amphetamine toxicity please if someone could shed some light that would be much appreciated.

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Methamphetamine's stereochemistry is just as important but only showing the (S)-isomer is kind of misleading. Or...maybe I'm just nitpicking... -

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number don't understand what this means, but some of them believe drugs are a mixture of all these different chemicals, not a specific molecule.

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I was wondering about this, and mailed someone at Knowledge. He suggested I explain the problem here. This is the email I have written him/her:

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Related observation: subsuming a scientific topic under the headline "Illicit Production" undermines all possibility of a neutral point of view.

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I found this as proof that the crank/prope-dope form of Methamphetamine, racemic form, is always powder, whereas dextro only is crystal meth:

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sourcing, citing and content, as well as basic procedures, and links to help pages. Your comments regarding the strategy are invited at the

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Unprotected sex and other risky behavior is strongly associated with stimulant use and many people consider it to be a serious problem. See

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Ugh, since when is methamphetamine a majority gay or Japanese drug? A drug is a drug, we don't need to go into details into who uses it it.

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article expanded/restructured to address meth consumption, from the gay community to students in Japan. Nicknames would fit nicely there.

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Please note that "Yaa Baa" in Thailand named for Amphetamine pill not met, the word means "Mad Pill". Met also called "Ice" as it be.

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Both sentences are correct. The second sentence refers only to the crystalline form of methamphetamine. I'll try to clarify that.

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Thank you for a great service provided to us. I wrote this, you can fix it if you want, or leave it as the 'international' S5.

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The source of your confusion isn't immediately obvious, but it's called methamphetamine because it's N-methylated amphetamine.

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This problem has been resolved. The new reference is a lengthy Spiegel Online article about meth use by the German military.

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reflects the reality of the drug, and not the POV of people who, for whatever reasons, support a rosy picture of the drug.--

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Many more than several things seem dubious to me about this article; it gives a complete misconception about this drug.

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Should we have such a section? This usually devolves into unencyclopedic trivia rather than notable information. See

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Does anybody know the exact solubility in water, mg per ml, for both the dextro- & racemic hydrochloride salts?

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These images are so similar I do not see the reason for both. I have no strong feeling which one we should go with.

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original research should be avoided. I think the revised section should cover at least the following points:

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I archived the talk page to Archive 03, the talk page was long and 2 years old. I think it was long overdue.

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Chromatographic separation unnecessary for detection of Amphetamine, Methamphetamine, MDA & MDMA.

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Methylisomyn; Pervitin (Temmler); Soxysympamine (Ferndale); Syndrox (McNeil); Tonedron (Grimault)

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clandestine labs to cause such symptoms, but I'll believe it when I see a controlled study.

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every possible translation of a word is a bit above and beyond the call for Knowledge.

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Mincing of words here dilutes the real meaning of this, and similar drugs; it is lie.

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Just out of interest, why methamphetamine? It looks like a substituted amide to me.

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Sigma (σ) antagonist BMY 14802 prevents methamphetamine-induced sensitization

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New York Times article of 14 July 2009 refers to the "shake and bake" method

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discussion. (In fact I thought until now that it was completely illegal.)

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Reference #6 for use of methamphetamine by the German military in WWII as "

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MotherSuperiorTheMovie.com - Mother Superior - Methamphetamine Use In Utah

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Looie496 writes "it hasn't even been definitively established that humans

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both d and l enantiomers of methamphetamine are stimulants and addictive

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so I am not in denial over the serious consequences of alcohol abuse.--

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that, because of the relatively high number of IP editors attracted to

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I've completed the split. The legality section now requires expansion.

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal.

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of how methamphetamine is referred to rather than a list of words.

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The high is related to bioavailability and peak blood concentration

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.

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from methamphetamine as it is from, for instance, heroin. *cite:

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I've changed the IUPAC name to N-methyl-1-phenyl-propan-2-amine.

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that chronicles the rise of methamphetamine abuse in rural U.S.

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The word 'adulterated' also implies intentional contamination.

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by David Sheff's son, Nic Sheff, is a 2009 book that became a

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I suggest removing the following unreferenced information and

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Beautiful Boy: A Father's Journey Through His Son's Addiction

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that seeks to reduce methamphetamine use, particularly among

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know whether or not Phenylephrine produces a false positive?

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Ask Dr. Shulgin Online: Ice, Crank, Speed, Methamphetamine

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word root meaning "containing one axial carbon atom": see

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Yaba contains caffeine, in addition to methamphetamine.

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is a 2005 documentary film about methamphetamine use in

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I see nothing to support the claim, so I've removed it.

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in the previous year, and 6,000 in the previous month.

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Methland: The Death and Life of an American Small Town

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tell you what the dose or rate is required for death.

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it and if it doesn't shake out I'll remove the claim.

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http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/pharm/pim334.htm

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this sort of thing before someone suggests changing

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proposal, they would be very welcome at the project

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